C9 newbie game TOWN WINS. Feel'n Groovey

[NoSurvivors]

My, my. It seems as if I am at L-2.

Dakky, you seem to be fairly confident in the no lynch. Sell me on it. Why so quick? I must agree with endgames point about getting at least a bit of info.

How did you come to the conclusion I am fairly confident when I said "at least for now". Based on the current evidence, I just don't know who to vote... yet. If this will make you happier: UNVOTE no lynch
After few more pages of the thread, I'm sure we will have more evidence and more information on who is scum and who is not.

I am just curious as to why you wanted a no lynch before we got any information out of anyone or had any time to make a case against anyone acting scummy (and if you didn't want no lynch, why did you vote for it)?

Probably because I don't know what I am doing. OK, I will VOTE NOS to get pressure. Happy now? I will unvote if we get a better lead, but you are pressuring me.

I merely stated things that you had said and asked you why you felt that way, to see how you would react. By voting for me, you retaliated instead of answering my question, which makes me think you are Mafia. I understand this is a game for new people, but how hard is it to answer a question instead of getting all defensive.

vote Dakky

@no surrender were they just joke votes or are you hiding in the shadows

The first vote was meant as a joke regarding how IB started the game, and the second vote was just me being a dick. I think that the pressure form madmitch is him trying to be town, I dont think he understands the joke voting stage quite yet. Dakky however I think is new and got a mafia role.

[NoSurvivors]

Also, dakky, you don't have to appease me, for all you know, I am mafia. If you are town, you should be looking for people to appease YOU, since you have nothing to hide. That is an additional reason why I am voting for you.

[Endgame422]

What do you think of dakky WCG/mars?
Im unsure if the defensiveness is scummy or not.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

We havent got enough information to go one way or the other yet. Dakky is the strongest read at the moment, but we can easily chalk it up to being new. I think he may have asked a genuine question and is now stubbornly fighting his corner under aggressive questioning from NoS. I know I've done that before, its an easy way to end up getting lynched D1.

Not wanting a lynch or to progress scumhunting is a definite mafia trait. Mars and Slander havent done so either though. Madmitch is on another planet so I am trusting him to be town at the moment, but I have been too trusting before.

[Marashu]

Hmm. On the one hand, I get the feeling that dakky just tends to get quite defensive, so I'm not getting a scum read from that. On the other hand, once the serious voting started, all his actions that aren't defensive really just keep him to the sidelines - voting no lynch instead of putting pressure, and then he jumps on madmitch's vote for no explained reason other than he felt pressured to (and the explanation madmitch used was pretty weak in my opinion, too - nothing that would get me to bandwagon). So there is a bit of a scummy feel, but not because of his defensiveness - more because of his strange voting.

((As an aside, I'll be out of town for a few days - I will be making efforts to check this once per day, but I might miss checking on Saturday. I'm due to be back late Sunday or early Monday)).

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@Slander - Why vote for the host?

Thats the third time I've asked Slander for an explanation.

You had asked the question once when I posted. Your single question multiplied into three that I "avoid[ed] answering" before I could even log on again.
I don't know your situation, but there are days when I only have time to read the thread and reply once.

I will answer your question with a question of my own: why not?

On a related note, how am I supposed to trust you if you throw baseless accusations around every game, even in the ones you aren't mob?
While probing is great for getting a read on someone, it's also a fairly pro-goon strategy. As I learned in my first game, it doesn't take much to develop a case on someone D1.

You cannot trust me D1. We need to draw out the real scum, and we cant do that by sitting about drinking tea and swopping pleasantries. If we either no lynch or random lynch without any information about the peoples opinions on each other then how will we win the game? Or even know who to lynch D2? We dont necessarily have a cop or doc to save us in this game.

[dakky21]

I merely stated things that you had said and asked you why you felt that way, to see how you would react. By voting for me, you retaliated instead of answering my question, which makes me think you are Mafia. I understand this is a game for new people, but how hard is it to answer a question instead of getting all defensive.

How would you react if you're trying to find mafia and you get accused because you voted no lynch and you don't know who to vote, because no one wrote a single case at that moment. I guess you wouldn't vote at all and skip all this, but it happened and what can I do now?

[NoSurvivors]

I merely stated things that you had said and asked you why you felt that way, to see how you would react. By voting for me, you retaliated instead of answering my question, which makes me think you are Mafia. I understand this is a game for new people, but how hard is it to answer a question instead of getting all defensive.

How would you react if you're trying to find mafia and you get accused because you voted no lynch and you don't know who to vote, because no one wrote a single case at that moment. I guess you wouldn't vote at all and skip all this, but it happened and what can I do now?

Dakky, when you vote, assuming it isn't a joke vote, it is considered your opinion. I simply wanted to know your take on the whole lynch vs no lynch D1 idea that I threw out there. There was not any right or wrong answer, I didn't accuse you. I just figured you had a strong opinion on it since you did in fact vote for no lynch, without there being time for anyone to discuss anything or try to figure out who is scum and who isn't.

All I want from you is why you thought voting no lynch was the best. I heard other players' voices on the matter. I am simply trying to decide which is the better strategy for town. By being defensive when I did not vote you or cast any sort of suspicion on you, it looks bad. That is why my vote is now on you.

And I agree, madmitch is on his own planet. I hope he is not scum because I think town will lose if he is no one will suspect it!

[Slander]

By voting for me, you retaliated instead of answering my question, which makes me think you are Mafia. I understand this is a game for new people, but how hard is it to answer a question instead of getting all defensive.

This is actually somewhat convincing.

Tentative Vote dakky21

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

We now have Dakky and NoS at L-2 I believe. Now try and convince Mars, End and I to join these votes, I dont like either case at the moment.

ps @Slander - You can alternatively go for "FOS" against Dakky. It means finger of suspicion.

[dakky21]

All I want from you is why you thought voting no lynch was the best. I heard other players' voices on the matter. I am simply trying to decide which is the better strategy for town. By being defensive when I did not vote you or cast any sort of suspicion on you, it looks bad. That is why my vote is now on you.

I did a non-red vote against Marashu and it was a joke vote. I thought voting no lynch is better than voting someone on whom I don't have a read. Seems I just shouldn't have voted anyone and it would be the same thing and you wouldn't vote for me. Seems like that, don't know if that is correct?

[madmitch]

maybe I am from another planet,with all these joke votes ,switched votes and unvotes it is getting hard to read who,s who? I am feeling that I am from Barsoom, and this town is strange to me,of course I might be from Sigma Iotia 11,I am not sure but why to I like the YMCA ? who knows,but I am sticking to my vote

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

FOS on Madmitch for the YMCA reference. Come on man! Have some self respect, there is playing along with the flavour, and then there is the village people.

(FOS = Finger of Suspicion)

[madmitch]

@wcg lol

[Slander]

unvote dakky21
Vote madmitch

Clearly the only way we're going to get anything constructive out of him is by actually voting him.

[Iron Butterfly]

Vote Count

Dakky=NOS

Madmitch= Slander

NOS= Dakky, Madmitch

Endgame= Wing

Wing= Endgame

Deadline is Monday May 3rd

[NoSurvivors]

All I want from you is why you thought voting no lynch was the best. I heard other players' voices on the matter. I am simply trying to decide which is the better strategy for town. By being defensive when I did not vote you or cast any sort of suspicion on you, it looks bad. That is why my vote is now on you.

I did a non-red vote against Marashu and it was a joke vote. I thought voting no lynch is better than voting someone on whom I don't have a read. Seems I just shouldn't have voted anyone and it would be the same thing and you wouldn't vote for me. Seems like that, don't know if that is correct?

Bolded is what I was looking for. I am getting back to more neutral for you because I think I agree with wing as he said that it may be from a lack of experience in the game.

I will try to explain why I was being such a dick: On day one, I think town needs to at least pressure someone to claim their role, so that we have information, to make an informed lynch, or a no lynch with a little bit of information for town. The reason I was being so hard on you for voting no lynch wasn't the fact that you voted no lynch, but because you did so before waiting to see if we could get information out of someone, as to add to discussion on future days.

Seeing as you probably didn't know this, I will let that pass as you just being new, and unvote.

unvote dakky21
Vote madmitch

Clearly the only way we're going to get anything constructive out of him is by actually voting him.

What leads you to think this? He has not been voted yet.

[Slander]

When someone gets FOS on them from someone else and their reply is

@wcg lol

it makes me feel a little uneasy about whose side they are on.

[dakky21]

Bolded is what I was looking for. I am getting back to more neutral for you because I think I agree with wing as he said that it may be from a lack of experience in the game.

I will try to explain why I was being such a dick: On day one, I think town needs to at least pressure someone to claim their role, so that we have information, to make an informed lynch, or a no lynch with a little bit of information for town. The reason I was being so hard on you for voting no lynch wasn't the fact that you voted no lynch, but because you did so before waiting to see if we could get information out of someone, as to add to discussion on future days.

Another question: why do you trust WCG so much? Could he be trying to fool you? He is organizing a town committee while it is unknown as he is town? That's scummy to me. Also Madmitch being from another planet and writing nonsense stuff, without defending himself (like I did)... also scummy. Sorry I don't have the experience, but they both sound to me as mafia.

[NoSurvivors]

Bolded is what I was looking for. I am getting back to more neutral for you because I think I agree with wing as he said that it may be from a lack of experience in the game.

I will try to explain why I was being such a dick: On day one, I think town needs to at least pressure someone to claim their role, so that we have information, to make an informed lynch, or a no lynch with a little bit of information for town. The reason I was being so hard on you for voting no lynch wasn't the fact that you voted no lynch, but because you did so before waiting to see if we could get information out of someone, as to add to discussion on future days.

Another question: why do you trust WCG so much? Could he be trying to fool you? He is organizing a town committee while it is unknown as he is town? That's scummy to me. Also Madmitch being from another planet and writing nonsense stuff, without defending himself (like I did)... also scummy. Sorry I don't have the experience, but they both sound to me as mafia.

Hmm. Good point! I guess I got so narrow-sighted that I missed that. It is a scum tactic, however I feel that it is too much of a rookie scum mistake. I would believe it if it was anyone other than wing, however you can never be sure. I figured it was more of a joking thing, but they could be using the "jokevote" stage to set up for backing each other up. Wing and madmitch, how do you feel about this accusation? Are you trying to push the spotlight off each other?

[madmitch]

Idon,t like the accusation,Ido not know Wing and I was only laughing at the reference to the village people not to the FOS.as I am new to this game I am trying my best to figure out who,s the scum in this town and I am doing that my own crazy way,but accusing someone else is another way of hiding in the shadows again.so I am going to have some whiskey in a jar and nothing else matters

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Its a little bit too obvious to play that tactic in a seven player game. It seems likely that the two mafia will need to vote on the lynched player as there will likely be a split vote to some extent. How ridiculous would it be trying to defend ourselves D2 when we have been so chummy all this time? If the game was won on D1 then I could see your point, but its not.

I'm giving Madmitch something of a free pass today, not because I think he is definitely town, but because its difficult to read anything into his posts. There doesnt appear to be any major contribution to scum hunting, but I dont believe that means anything with Madmitch.

I'm curious about the "pushing the spotlight off each other" comment. If you look carefully I'd suggest that if I was Mafia with anyone it would be Marashu on that basis. I havent defended Madmitch.

Anyway to answer your question, we could be playing scum buddies together (were not), but you'd get us for it D2.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Speaking of which NoS

Hmm. On the one hand, I get the feeling that dakky just tends to get quite defensive, so I'm not getting a scum read from that. On the other hand, once the serious voting started, all his actions that aren't defensive really just keep him to the sidelines - voting no lynch instead of putting pressure, and then he jumps on madmitch's vote for no explained reason other than he felt pressured to (and the explanation madmitch used was pretty weak in my opinion, too - nothing that would get me to bandwagon). So there is a bit of a scummy feel, but not because of his defensiveness - more because of his strange voting.

((As an aside, I'll be out of town for a few days - I will be making efforts to check this once per day, but I might miss checking on Saturday. I'm due to be back late Sunday or early Monday)).

Can you explain the bolded bit further, I cant find any post where Dakky jumps on Madmitch. All his posts have been in retaliation to NoS as far as I can tell. Maybe I'm missing something.

[blackdragon1661]

I'll play.

[NoSurvivors]

Speaking of which NoS

Hmm. On the one hand, I get the feeling that dakky just tends to get quite defensive, so I'm not getting a scum read from that. On the other hand, once the serious voting started, all his actions that aren't defensive really just keep him to the sidelines - voting no lynch instead of putting pressure, and then he jumps on madmitch's vote for no explained reason other than he felt pressured to (and the explanation madmitch used was pretty weak in my opinion, too - nothing that would get me to bandwagon). So there is a bit of a scummy feel, but not because of his defensiveness - more because of his strange voting.

((As an aside, I'll be out of town for a few days - I will be making efforts to check this once per day, but I might miss checking on Saturday. I'm due to be back late Sunday or early Monday)).

Can you explain the bolded bit further, I cant find any post where Dakky jumps on Madmitch. All his posts have been in retaliation to NoS as far as I can tell. Maybe I'm missing something.

I think he meant that he jumped on board with madmitch's vote.