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[degaston]

Oh no! Somebody cursed me, too!

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

degaston - Strikewolf, HotShot
StorrZerg - BGtheBrain, dazza
mtamburini - sempai
Ragian - mtamburini, dd
sempai - Storr, Streaker, floyd, virus, aage, madmitch (L-7)
pershy - degaston
no lynch - Pixar

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

[Talapus]

Also Talapus with the overly paranoid approach to the game, or knowing to much

I don't think it's overly paranoid in the slightest, I think it fits the storyline perfectly. Let's see there were things that sucked out all the happiness under the magical councils control in some stories and others where they weren't. There were constantly characters in the story that had their own agenda and multiple times help or hinder Harry whether they would have normally done it or not. Rita chick with the news who didn't care what the hell was going on as long as the story was good. The Magical council that went after Dumbledore claiming knowing nothing, the Phoenix group of under cover supporters, the death eaters of varying support since V left that did much there own thing with no real threat of him returning, and then the hardcore death eaters. Not to mention the kids in school who depending on what contest they were in, what spell they were under, or general attitude of the day, would dictate how they would act.

I mean seriously, with 7 books and the crazy stuff going on in them I'd say multiple factions is far more then plausible and most likely a certainty. Claiming I'm overly paranoid already make you sound like a towns people who thinks nothing is wrong as bodies start raining from the sky or something...lol.

God it has been too long since I read these. Forgot the names of all those groups already.

[Talapus]

Also Talapus with the overly paranoid approach to the game, or knowing to much

I don't think it's overly paranoid in the slightest, I think it fits the storyline perfectly. Let's see there were things that sucked out all the happiness under the magical councils control in some stories and others where they weren't. There were constantly characters in the story that had their own agenda and multiple times help or hinder Harry whether they would have normally done it or not. Rita chick with the news who didn't care what the hell was going on as long as the story was good. The Magical council that went after Dumbledore claiming knowing nothing, the Phoenix group of under cover supporters, the death eaters of varying support since V left that did much there own thing with no real threat of him returning, and then the hardcore death eaters. Not to mention the kids in school who depending on what contest they were in, what spell they were under, or general attitude of the day, would dictate how they would act.

I mean seriously, with 7 books and the crazy stuff going on in them I'd say multiple factions is far more then plausible and most likely a certainty. Claiming I'm overly paranoid already make you sound like a towns people who thinks nothing is wrong as bodies start raining from the sky or something...lol.

God it has been too long since I read these. Forgot the names of all those groups already.

[Talapus]

What the hell conquer club.....keep getting SQL errors when posting. Sorry for the double post all.

[Streaker]

'Can we get Hermione in here to stop these double posts with a counter-spell?'

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Talapus, would love to hear your reads in the game so far.

[StorrZerg]

Specifically overly paranoid about multiple CULTS, multiple mafia factions, sure. (Doubtful )
3rd party town faction sure.

Only cult I can think of would be DA cult, or something around Hermione.

Even so the talk isn't helping, what we know is the game almost certainly contains some form of a mafia faction. So hunt for thst, worry about paranoid shit tomorrow.

I agree with streaker, more reads less paranoid antics.

[Ragian]

first off, i dont see why ragian should be replaced for not knowing the theme, as long as you/he enjoys the game i think he should be ok.
just ask anything you like.

Cheers, bud

Rage and Tank - go watch the movies.

Noted.

Also we should determine what some of the roles are in this 24 player game then try and identify some of the players.
How many town - 15-18?
Power roles?
How many mafia - 6-8?
Survivors - 1-3? We know of Filch (storr)
Serial Killer - 1?
Vig - 1?

We can assume that some of the key players are in the game - Harry, Hermione, Ron Weasley, Hagrid, Snape, Dumbledore, few other teachers.Voldermort would be mafia - I'll be watching the movies this weekend and will help to pull together a more comprehensive list of list of the the death eaters in the movie so we can hopefully figure out who to target.

This raises some suspicion in me and it always has when someone wants to figure out the setup D1. Surely, we can't and it has always struck me as scummy tactics in order to sort out one's fakeclaim if needed (i.e. get people to venture guesses based on their own roles in order to figure out what is out there). I get the town vs. non-town ratio guessing, but the rest seems fog to me. FoS.

Right, some posts further down a fair few players voiced similar concerns.

If I had a gun to my head, I'd vote for charm at this point based on the above, but I don't find it necessary to vote right away as there is no deadline.

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I've walked through sempai's posts and I agree that he seems all over the place suggesting first that Stor would be town, then scum, then 3rd party, then something 4th (if possible). I also see him being caught up in some semantics. It just doesn't scream scum to me. Rather that makes him very engaged in the flavour trying to figure out reads based on that in my eyes. Mix that with his lack of mafia experience and you get a loose dog in a bowling alley (that might be a Danish expression, but you probably get the point). Anyway, I don't find his various attempts at figuring out what Stor was or his backtracking particularly scummy.

[charm]

Forgot to put my VOTE on Sempei last night.

Say charm, why are you so interested in getting some of the roles out? We already have 2 claims (or soft claims, at least). I'd agree that I would want to see Sempai be taken to L-2 and a claim, but imo that should be enough for D1 to make a decision on who to lynch.
A list of the death eater characters in the books/movies would be helpfull, but do we seriously expect scum to not have fake claims? Rather put pressure on the scummy players now, that should be priority not the list you suggest.

A FOS on charm for drawing away attention from the actual scum hunting and directing it to setup, and another FOS for wanting to draw out more roles.

Well, I'm not as interested anymore in figuring out roles because I left all my books and movies in Montana. I've only played mafia less than a dozen times and was almost always vanilla town. So, I have a more difficult time figuring out the mafia roles and how they can get the town. Also, I really like the flavor and always thought we were supposed to play to the game storyline. I guess what you are telling me is that we don't have to know anything about the story or play it. I'm now really confused, I better hit some books and figure it out.

[MudPuppy]

Mudpuppy scummy vibe for instantly reacting when he get's prodded, but still no actual decent posts yet.

I didn't get prodded... I prodded myself... felt surprisingly good, actually.
I said early on that I would be busy this week... I was just giving an update that I was just about through the worst of it and should start posting more. If you're going to label that as scummy, at least get a bit more creative like virus and suggest I had post restrictions due to me being off catching rabbits during the full moon. Mmmmm... love me some rabbit tartare.

[charm]

Whatevvvver Rage!

So, you put a FOS on someone trying to play the game. Well, you go right ahead.

[got tonkaed]

Vote Charm

If I remember right, someone said Charm had some super obvious scum tell that she probably isn't showing at the moment...but the last few posts have been weird enough for me.

[sempaispellcheck]

Clarification/explanation is my usual form of defense in arguments, but I guess that's not going to work here (and maybe that's why I never win arguments. Hmm) - especially since I just seem to be tripping myself up and getting you guys tangled in the web I inadvertently weaved for myself. So, I guess I can't fault you guys for voting me, but you are barking up the wrong tree - I'm town, with no night action, so you're not going to get much info from lynching me.

At any rate, here are the reads I have:

Not 100% sure now what to make of BG's tunneling in on Storr. BG could be town, trying to get rid of a distraction - or he could be scum, trying to get rid of a helpful player. The more I think about it, the more plausible the latter scenario seems.
As for charm - I can see how trying to sort out the format on D1 might be considered scummy, but when you don't have much info, it makes some sense to search for it wherever you can find it. Jury's still out for now.
dd's an interesting one - the "if you know more than your role, you're probably not town" comment strikes me as odd, since (if I remember correctly) there were already a few pages of discussion by that point, so we had started to figure a few things out.
degas I think is town - probably just confused in the beginning, like I was - only he had the sense to not open his mouth quite as much. I like his voting for silent players to try to draw them out of hiding.
Endgame was following me pretty closely for a while - as somebody noted a while back - and hasn't yet turned on me. For those of you who think I'm scummy, he's probably worth a look.
gt, jb, streaker, and strike all read town to me - they have given some good reads and made helpful observations
madmitch reads pretty scummy to me, actually - while Storr is using the flavor to say helpful things, madmitch's posts have been all flavor and no substance.
Still getting a scummy vibe from mtam - the belligerence and bullying at the beginning didn't do him any favors in my book, and now he seems to have vanished. Hmm.
Mudpuppy and Pixar haven't really posted that much useful info - and pix's "get votes off my clanmates" comment (complete with no lynch vote) was a very WTF? moment.
pershy is starting to give off a scummy vibe as well - his comment about "waiting for reactions before giving a reason" is one of the things Storr accused mafia of doing earlier ("push with what ever, and have to make up why someone is scum." - page 17). Also, his sudden, unexplained "bad feeling" about Storr being Filch doesn't sit right with me.
Ragian's overreaction to Storr's "try being like me" comment struck me as bizarre, and streaker put him in the "jumper" camp with me, degas, and end a while ago.
skillfu I think I'll give another day or so to catch up - same for mets.
I'm still buying Storr's 3rd party survivor claim for the moment. Will see what happens with that.
Need a bit more time/posts to get a read on Talapus.
virus has turned against me because of streaker's case (and maybe some nudging from Storr?), but still seems OK with Ragian. Bandwagon? Hmm.

In sum, these are the players I think could be worth monitoring and/or pressuring:
BG
dd
Endgame
madmitch
mtam
MudPuppy
pershy
Pix
Ragian
virus

sempai

[degaston]

I've walked through sempai's posts and I agree that he seems all over the place suggesting first that Stor would be town, then scum, then 3rd party, then something 4th (if possible). I also see him being caught up in some semantics. It just doesn't scream scum to me. Rather that makes him very engaged in the flavour trying to figure out reads based on that in my eyes. Mix that with his lack of mafia experience and you get a loose dog in a bowling alley (that might be a Danish expression, but you probably get the point). Anyway, I don't find his various attempts at figuring out what Stor was or his backtracking particularly scummy.

I just read through all of his posts, too. Is anyone able to sum up the case against him, or is it just that it's easier to try to nitpick the statements of an inexperienced player. (I know how that feels.) I saw that one of Storr's points against him was that he "blatantly wishes to follow", but has anyone noticed pershy's posts (easy to miss, since there are so few of them):

Hmm maybe Mtam as Endgame says.

I could get behind a Ragian vote....

Yup decent points by streaker. Also Storr is good at scum hunting and therefore is a valuable town player (when town of course).

These seem like the posts of a follower, but no one else seems interested in putting any pressure on him to contribute more. Not saying that either one of them is town/scum/whatever at this point, but I think it's still too early in the day to focus too hard on one person and let others off the hook.

[sempaispellcheck]

I've walked through sempai's posts and I agree that he seems all over the place suggesting first that Stor would be town, then scum, then 3rd party, then something 4th (if possible). I also see him being caught up in some semantics. It just doesn't scream scum to me. Rather that makes him very engaged in the flavour trying to figure out reads based on that in my eyes. Mix that with his lack of mafia experience and you get a loose dog in a bowling alley (that might be a Danish expression, but you probably get the point). Anyway, I don't find his various attempts at figuring out what Stor was or his backtracking particularly scummy.

Basically, this.

And Ragian's lack of HP knowledge is probably confusing him as much as my lack of mafia knowledge is confusing me.
I'm going to take him off my list.

sempai

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

degaston - Strikewolf, HotShot
StorrZerg - BGtheBrain, dazza
mtamburini - sempai
Ragian - mtamburini, dd
sempai - Storr, Streaker, floyd, virus, aage, madmitch, charm (L-6)
pershy - degaston
no lynch - Pixar
charm - tonkaed

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

[sempaispellcheck]

I saw that one of Storr's points against [sempai] was that he "blatantly wishes to follow", but has anyone noticed pershy's posts (easy to miss, since there are so few of them):

Hmm maybe Mtam as Endgame says.

I could get behind a Ragian vote....

Yup decent points by streaker. Also Storr is good at scum hunting and therefore is a valuable town player (when town of course).

These seem like the posts of a follower, but no one else seems interested in putting any pressure on him to contribute more. Not saying that either one of them is town/scum/whatever at this point, but I think it's still too early in the day to focus too hard on one person and let others off the hook.

And may I add that I do not recall saying that I "blatantly wish to follow" - to the point that I asked Storr where he had found that, and still haven't received an answer?

sempai

[Metsfanmax]

(In case you missed it, I am replacing Iron Butterfly)

Some reads. I don't usually do lists but after catching up on 18 pages I guess it is necessary.

Storr: I believe his claim. Storr knows what he is doing and claiming immediately on D1 with that role makes perfect sense, especially given the likelihood of recruitment in this game. (Someone mentioned Filch not being able to be recruited into a wizard cult, but I doubt the mod would carry the flavor that far.)

mtam: Everything mtam has done, up to and including the whole "you're gonna die tonight scum" thing is completely normal for him. He often threatens this stuff just to get a rise out of people, and it really says nothing about his own role. Read games with mtam if you mistakenly think there's anything to learn there yet.

tonka: I got a scum read on him very early on, for pushing degaston despite degaston making some obvious newb mistakes, but his posts have gotten progressively more town-aligned. Including his read on charm -- I had the very same reaction to charm's post that he did two posts later.

charm: She seems scummy this game. She seems to be trying hard to fit into a town stereotype and it is rather unlike her. It seems like a pretty classic mafia tell. She's my favorite choice for a lynch currently.

degaston: Some newb play. I was initially annoyed by the strategy of just voting random inactives but I think that it's a town tell and I think it helped spark some discussion in at least one case.

sempai: I don't buy the case. I think he honestly made some mistakes and then got tripped up by the pressure and said some things with poor reasoning. Could have happened to any of us.

BG: His case against Storr is the same reason I hate playing with Storr, I don't think it's a scum tell. I have a town read on him.

Streaker: huge town read. Like massive. Almost to the point where it circles around and becomes a scum read.

Pixar: ...whatever. He needs to post more before we can say anything definitive, but what we have so far is strange.

Talapus: some quality posts so far, but I'm neutral on where that leans.

[degaston]

And may I add that I do not recall saying that I "blatantly wish to follow" - to the point that I asked Storr where he had found that, and still haven't received an answer?

I suspect he was referring to this:

I kind of like the idea of following someone else's lead early on in the hope that the result will give us some information on that person as well (hence my mtam vote - looking to shed a little more light on Storr).

[degaston]

degaston: Some newb play. I was initially annoyed by the strategy of just voting random inactives but I think that it's a town tell and I think it helped spark some discussion in at least one case.

I don't plan on doing that the whole game, but on D1, it seemed like FOSing people might not get as much of a reaction. In Pershy's case, even voting for him hasn't gotten a reaction.

[Endgame422]

Endgame was following me pretty closely for a while - as somebody noted a while back - and hasn't yet turned on me. For those of you who think I'm scummy, he's probably worth a look.

sempai

Deflection.
If your not scum why would my 2 votes you agreed with (mtam/dd) make me scum?
If you are scum, your just trying to build a case based on someone else's previously stated suspicions.
Your claiming VT so your a low risk lynch now anyways.
When you flip(either way) your list should prove useful.
VOTE SEMPAI

[StorrZerg]

I'm not actively trying to defend Storr, for what that's worth - I'm just saying he could, potentially, maybe, be useful later on. That said, I can see (and have made) a few arguments for getting rid of him early. I've got an FOS on him, but that's as far as I think I'll go today.
I've never played with any of you, so I don't know your metas, and I don't really know how to read people yet, since this is only my third game (and I've been nightkilled early in every game I played.
I kind of like the idea of following someone else's lead early on in the hope that the result will give us some information on that person as well (hence my mtam vote - looking to shed a little more light on Storr).
Basically, I'm kind of jumping around because I don't know much of anything (it is D1), and I'm trying to get some type of foothold somewhere.
I also think I need to reread the thread a bit more closely and see what (if anything) I can figure out.

sempai

[degaston]

Endgame was following me pretty closely for a while - as somebody noted a while back - and hasn't yet turned on me. For those of you who think I'm scummy, he's probably worth a look.

sempai

Deflection.
If your not scum why would my 2 votes you agreed with (mtam/dd) make me scum?
If you are scum, your just trying to build a case based on someone else's previously stated suspicions.
Your claiming VT so your a low risk lynch now anyways.
When you flip(either way) your list should prove useful.
VOTE SEMPAI

Did I miss it? Where did sempai claim VT?

[degaston]

Endgame was following me pretty closely for a while - as somebody noted a while back - and hasn't yet turned on me. For those of you who think I'm scummy, he's probably worth a look.

sempai

Deflection.
If your not scum why would my 2 votes you agreed with (mtam/dd) make me scum?
If you are scum, your just trying to build a case based on someone else's previously stated suspicions.
Your claiming VT so your a low risk lynch now anyways.
When you flip(either way) your list should prove useful.
VOTE SEMPAI

Did I miss it? Where did sempai claim VT?

Yes - I missed it. I see it now.

[degaston]

Sempai fp'ed me while I was responding to Ragian's post. I know he was under some pressure, but my understanding is that people are supposed to wait until L-2 to claim.
Why the rush, sempai?
I was kind of defending you because I thought they were just picking on an easy target, and that others needed to chime in some more, but even after 1 game, I know that you're not supposed to claim that early. So now we already have 2 1/2 claims. In my last game they discouraged trying to get too many claims on D1.

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