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[MudPuppy]

Other stuff: Degaston is probably still the scummiest person so far for skimming/lying about skimming (lynch all liars). Dakky might also be connected and mtam also sounds somewhat suspicious.

Skimming/forgetting what was in the opening post is a crime here? Who knew?
And what did I lie about? Do a topic search for "death eater" and see who has the first post with that phrase. I don't use topic search very much, and didn't realize that it only matches whole words.
Also, I thought that people were expected to make votes on little or no information at the beginning to get things rolling.

I don't really care for this defense. Sarcasm I can ignore. I can be very sarcastic and it doesn't naturally lead to friends but it is not a scum tell in general. I am just not sure I like the topic search answer...why did you use topic search specifically? I don't know. Just kind of bugs me. May be nothing. The latter statement seems to become a trend.

In a big game like this, I find topic search to be quite helpful. I've used it already: I liked Talapus scoffing at the "Cult of the Dursleys" idea which I had missed the first time around, so I searched to see who proposed it (dd515087). A search for who first used the term "death eater" seems quite reasonable.

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

degaston - Strikewolf
StorrZerg - BGtheBrain, dazza
mtamburini - sempai, sempai
Ragian - mtamburini, dd
sempai - virus, madmitch, Pixar
charm - tonkaed, HotShot, Endgame, Ragian
pershy - degaston

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

[aage]

Other stuff: Degaston is probably still the scummiest person so far for skimming/lying about skimming (lynch all liars). Dakky might also be connected and mtam also sounds somewhat suspicious.

Skimming/forgetting what was in the opening post is a crime here? Who knew?
And what did I lie about? Do a topic search for "death eater" and see who has the first post with that phrase. I don't use topic search very much, and didn't realize that it only matches whole words.
Also, I thought that people were expected to make votes on little or no information at the beginning to get things rolling.

I don't really care for this defense. Sarcasm I can ignore. I can be very sarcastic and it doesn't naturally lead to friends but it is not a scum tell in general. I am just not sure I like the topic search answer...why did you use topic search specifically? I don't know. Just kind of bugs me. May be nothing. The latter statement seems to become a trend.

In a big game like this, I find topic search to be quite helpful. I've used it already: I liked Talapus scoffing at the "Cult of the Dursleys" idea which I had missed the first time around, so I searched to see who proposed it (dd515087). A search for who first used the term "death eater" seems quite reasonable.

WELCOME TO HARRY POTTER MAFIA!

Things have been out of sorts at Hogwarts lately. A perpetually cloudy sky has rumbled in and some say that they've seen the Dark Mark amongst the clouds. Students have gone missing and no one seems to know where they've gone. There have been whispers that death eaters may have infiltrated the school grounds and are hidden in the student body. It's up to Harry Potter and his friends to rid Hogwarts of Voldemort and his minions once and forever!

Strike, lovely long post but I'm missing a conclusion. All quotes pertain to Degaston - so what is your read on Degaston?

[strike wolf]

I probably should have waited until morning to post that. Organize the thoughts better after some rest. My conclusion is that even with Sempai proving town, I still feel like Degaston is hiding behind tthe ideas of others to support his cases. I see some thingd that appear townie in that he has been questioning somethings and pressuring inactives but nothing that warrants saying yes he is town. Overall, I still think he has been slightly scummy but especially considering that he is newer I am willing to look at other cases.

[virus90]

People who need to say more:
Pixar, only notable thing; join vote on sempai without further explanation.
BG the brain, so far only commented on storr/mtam. might hate day 1 (so do i) but more is definately needed.
dd515; missing since tuesday, at that point didnt say much, voted ragian for posting without much substance
madmitch; just a couple of one/2 sentence posts. not much worth.

People who i hope say more, and then i mean more opinion.
charm, a bit talk about the setup is fine, but i rather see some more opinions on people since that is what helps finding scum.
dazza, focussing around storr, not much more then that. many short posts.
hotshot; maybe not fair to put him with the others in this part. but hasnt been around to much; and not as opinionated as he is sometimes.
mudpuppy; was busy with work, can relate to that, but his posts in my opinion have a high chit-chatty level. he "might"be considering looking into hotshot.... either do it or not, this is 50% ... ahh he might be scum, yeah everybody might be scum.
i would consider voting mudpuppy



unvote vote mtamburini.

mtam. i think he is a valid target, claims to have an ability in one post in the next he says: storr dies today or tonight. so i would say he has a kill ability. i have asked him in my previous posts to give some further insight into this and so far he hasnt. He town reads charm, who is not high on my town list for now. besides that he said he could side with the push on sempai and he was a big part in the eartly d1 storr discussion. little chat with dazza but thats about it.
so i would like some answers from him.
for instance since you hinted it; are you vig?
is it limited shot vig?
are you town ? 3th party? scum ? xD
are you still suspicious of storr?
who are you suspicious of now that sempai claimed?
it shouldnt be that we have to drag this out in my opinion it should be clear from posts that should have been made and questions that should have been answered.

my 2nd vote if i had it would be on mudpuppy, for reasons mentioned above. i would gladly switch but i am just to annoyed by mtams threats and mysteries.


about strike wolfs book on degaston:
im not to sure that degaston is scum, got more of a newbie player feel with him. kudos on the effort made in that post

ok i dont know what to conclude from this but while rereading i found it really accidental that aage mentions kingsley, strike says something about it and then sempai claims kingsley.... first 2 posts: mon 4, last friday 8.

Spoiler

The only possible cult I can think of would be The Death Eaters who are also the likely mafia. Of course the mafia could simply consist of Voldemort and the Horcruxes but that seems unlikely.

Assuming the town consists of more than just Harry Potter, we can assume that the mafia consists of more than He Who Must Not Be Named and his horcruxes I think. It seems more logical to me that the mafia roles are actual people, rather than "You're Tom Riddle's diary" - especially assuming that He Who Must Not Be Named is a godfather-y type. There might be some mechanism involving horcruxes and eg. night immunity (maybe we get to destroy one ever day or when we lynch mafia or smth), but we'll probably hear about that later in the scenes. Since we'd need some special item or spell to destroy a horcrux, it seems more logical that the mafia are people rather than horcruxes.


Also you forgot like 90% of the Order in your list of town. Surely, badass Kingsley should be mentioned. Probaby as some protective role. But I'd rather not make a list of all possible roles in the game... rather let the mafia make their own fake claims so they'll be easier to catch.

Kingsley is a peripheral character. I dont want to play the mod too much but fake claims really would depend on how strong he wanted to make the claims and if he did want to make them strong one or more of them could easily be a fake claim.

Interested in Storrs answer for the no cult/third party statement (unless I missed it).

\Deflection.
If your not scum why would my 2 votes you agreed with (mtam/dd) make me scum?

They wouldn't. But for those who think I'm scummy, they might be worth a look - if you're town, I'm town, and vice versa.

Why the rush, sempai?

Because I'm being bandwagoned (as gt pointed out), and I'm trying to get that to stop because it won't do anyone any good.

I'm Kingsley Shacklebolt, by the way - Auror, member of the Order of the Phoenix, friend of Albus - and of Harry.

sempai

[StorrZerg]

Pushing tambo to find out more about his power and how he is going to use it on a claimed 3rd party sounds like a baller of an idea.

[virus90]

whats a baller? guess its a language thing.

[Endgame422]

I was feeling suspicious of dd as well earlier(even voted him) and his 5 days without a post does not make him look any better.
My vote on charm is just there because we gotta get another claim.
I would be happy to get one from
charm-nothing particularly scummy just a bit of defensiveness, would be interested to see more
Degas- giving me mixed feelings. he might just be a logical kind of guy whos lost in the myriad of possibilities in this game and his inactive hunt could be just policy play since he does not know much thus far.
Or hes scum looking to take advantage of the less active players
Dd-already mentioned
mtam-soft claimed an ability(vig/recruiter) perhaps a hard claim would provide some clarity.
Pixar-laying pretty low except to suggest a no lynch. Game this size it seems a no lynch could work to towns adv so not a hard scummy vibe but i would like more from him.
Fped by storr/virus
A baller is a slang term for someone who is good at basketball.
He means its an excellent idea and one i could get with

[StorrZerg]

whats a baller? guess its a language thing.

"Good"
But used sarcastic as in pushing tambo is silly

[MudPuppy]

mudpuppy; was busy with work, can relate to that, but his posts in my opinion have a high chit-chatty level. he "might"be considering looking into hotshot.... either do it or not, this is 50% ... ahh he might be scum, yeah everybody might be scum.

Fact is I don't have much of a case. It was just an observation I made and I presented it in case anyone else who has played with him got the same vibe. Nobody commented, so I assume folks either don't know his play style well enough, don't think that fits his scum meta, or think it's too little to go on. Admittedly, it's not much to go on and is more of a hunch than anything. I'm not prepared to vote for him at this point (but will keep an eye on him) as there is just not enough incriminating evidence.

[degaston]

Wow - talk about tunneling! I'll see how much of this I can get to:
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I suppose there could be something to him knowing that death eaters=mafia but not reading that part in the opening scene but that seems a fairly thin wire to hang a case on even for day 1.

This post:

vote degaston he wants everything 100% pure. He must be a death eater.

is when I made the connection that Death Eater = Mafia. I knew your post was meant as a joke, but I thought that using the term Death Eater was a tell. I can't believe how much time has been spent on this one stupid mistake.
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"fake claims"

It appears that you're claiming Filch. Has anyone else made a claim, fake or otherwise?

A bit of role fishing.

Role Fishing is when a player asks leading questions, which can only be answered by a player with role-specific knowledge. In this way, by answering the question intelligibly, a player reveals they have role-specific knowledge, and is thus probably a power role, even though they didn't roleclaim.

My question was meant to be rhetorical, because I didn't think that anyone else had claimed, so how could Storr be accusing anyone of "fake claims" if there were no claims other than his?
And how is this role fishing, anyway? Is there some way to interpret Storr's post other than that he is claiming to have the ability to identify another player's role?
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... I am just not sure I like the topic search answer...why did you use topic search specifically?

I used topic search because I was too lazy to go re-read everything that I had recently read, (though apparently not well enough) and even if I did re-read it, it would be possible to miss a reference to death eaters, so I thought that using topic search would be a better way to make sure that I hadn't somehow missed it. Turns out I was wrong. I see that MudPuppy also likes to use topic search. How do you try to find a term that might appear somewhere within all the posts in a thread? I would prefer to use Chrome page search, but I can't get the entire thread on one page. I still can't believe how much time has been spent on this one stupid mistake.
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The vote itself is a bit OMGusy but coming from a new player, I don't mind the defense as a whole.

OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you.

So how can it be an OMGUS vote if Tonka never actually voted for me? I think someone else said I OMGUS'ed a few times (I'm not going to look it up because the search feature sucks here), but I believe you're the only one that I OMGUS'ed, and in that case it wasn't about you voting for me, but because I thought I'd caught a mistake in something you'd said. I really can't believe how much time has been spent on this one stupid mistake
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blah blah death eaters blah blah
I think this is why I have a hard time looking past you. These moments where you at the very least act like you know what something is and then ask what it means later. The rest of the post I could go either way, it isn't a bad defense.

There is no "mafiascum.net" entry on skimming. Does it just mean quickly reading over a post without absorbing and memorizing all of the facts and terms that you may need to know later, in case you want to accuse someone of knowing something that you think they could only know if they were scum, but it turns out that it was plainly posted right above your post where anyone could easily call you out on it, or does it have some deeper, more nuanced meaning, that only someone with more than 1 nooby mafia game under their belt would understand?
I really can't f*cking believe how much time has been wasted on this one stupid mistake.
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My problem I have with this is a few things.

1. Why did Dega feel like he should answer this question directed at Sempai? This could have an easy answer but I would still like to hear it.

So first, all of this happened:

It says in the first post that death eaters have taken students' bodies and infiltrated the school. What I gather from Stor's mumblings is that he has spotted such a one. Why is everyone dismissing that? What if he's a day cop or something with a weird PR?

... id almost be happier to vote mtam under the pretense that if we somehow lucked into storr as a day cop, that we make use of it.

Anyway, I was not aware that there could be a day cop. That sounds reasonable.
Unvote
Vote mtamburini

Anyway, I was not aware that there could be a day cop. That sounds reasonable.
Unvote
Vote mtamburini

And if there were a day cop, Filch is a pretty likely candidate.

Anyway, I was not aware that there could be a day cop. That sounds reasonable.
Unvote
Vote mtamburini

I'm just a Squib. ...

Then:

@Sempai: How would Filch make a good day cop?

So you're saying that the @Sempai means that no one else is allowed to give their own opinion? As far as I can tell, Ragain was the first to suggest the idea. Tonka seemed to think that it was possible. I used that to justify my vote. Sempai was responding to my vote when he said that Filch would be a likely candidate. But when I responded to your question, you act like I just barged into a private conversation between the two of you?
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2. The explanation given makes less sense than the non-explanation that Sempai had given. Dega essentially said that it was because he didn't have magical powers that it seemed to fit.

I thought that it would be logical for the mod to make the Filch character a cop because he acts like a cop - looking out for "lawbreakers". I think others have agreed with this assessment. I can't understand why you think this is illogical. I'm not saying that I have any proof that he is a cop, or that the mod had to match each character perfectly to his or her role - just that I think it would fit the character from the books/movies. Do you think the cop role, if there was one, would not be a fit for Filch, and if not, why? (kind of an academic discussion now since Storr claimed 3rd party survivor.)
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@Sempai: How would Filch make a good day cop?

He's the caretaker - he essentially polices the castle and is responsible for punishing misbehaving students.

Strikewolf, how is this different from what I said?

What bugged me about this is that it came across to me as Post Hoc Ergo Hoc. He essentially brings my argument into question by linking to the explanation he had given in response to my argument after I had given my argument.

I guess I must have missed it. What argument did you make?
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I did vote on you because you backtracked

Are you saying that after this:

...Anyway, I was not aware that there could be a day cop. That sounds reasonable.Vote mtamburini

@Sempai: How would Filch make a good day cop?

I'd say that it would fit the character well, and he doesn't have any magical powers, so... why not?
Now he says he's just a squib, so I don't know if he's denying that role, or...?

Okay degaston, considering your logic makes less sense than Senpai just throwing it out there. How does Filch make a likely day cop?

I should have just doubled down and forged ahead with confident assertions that Filch was definitely a day cop so that you couldn't accuse me of backtracking? What would you have accused me of in that case?
And if backtracking is such a scummy action, then why have you never said anything about Storr's "Death Eaters pretending to be students I see." followed by "I'm just a Squib. ..."
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This struck me as a bandwagon vote.

Really? Of all the people who were voting for Sempai before and after me, I'm the one who's bandwagoning?
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I don't know. I could see an argument either way but I just don't like that he seems to be following what he learned about scummy posting in another game over his own reasoning. On one hand, I understand that he is new and that's not that unlikely to happen on the other hand it makes it easy to fall behind something without explaining it and he did this a bit with the "vote tam because storr seems to be a day cop and it makes sense type of thing as well because REASONS!" issue as well.

In my first game, my reasoning told me that we shouldn't lynch someone on the first day because we were more likely to lynch a townie. I also thought that we should get as many claims as possible to know more about the setup. I was told that just about everything I reasoned was wrong, so I've been trying to play the way the experienced player told us to play, rather than the way I would play by my own reasoning.
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I sense a pattern of willful ignorance/obtuseness in your post. I think most of these could have been answered just by a careful reading of the posts if you were that interested. Is it possible that I hit a nerve by accident?

[strike wolf]

unvote I am reasonably happy with Dega's answers above.

A few answers to some questions asked:


1. The difference between the way you and Sempai approached the Filch day cop argument is that you assessed that it fit his flavor without initially stating how it fit the character. It was an odd assertion on Sempai's part and you backing it up sounded like someone latching onto it. Backtracking later on further supported it. Ragian and GT never asserted that it fit flavor. I think GT has even asserted that he felt that claims may not fit flavor.

2. Storr didnt back track as far as I could see. He said somethings that were taken to mean he might be a day cop and then he clarified that he wasnt a day cop.

3. Were you the only one bandwagoning? I am sure you were not.

[charm]

Hello wizards! I was traveling today via broomstick, ok actually by plane, but much more fun to say by broomstick. Glad to see I didn't miss too much.

I'm putting my vote on MTam for right now. I agree he needs to say more about his night action. It is interesting that he was so talkative and then went quiet. I think we should apply pressure here and see what MTam has to say. He obviously has some kind of power and it seems pretty dangerous to me to be so quick to make comment of it. Therefore, I question if he is town or mafia because that seems like a risky play - so I would guess 3rd party.

I currently believe Storr and Sempei's claims.

I would also like to apply pressure to Tonka. He has made my nose twitch all day long and seems to be jumping all over the place. I found his reasoning for voting me really lame, but hey whatever keeps his boat a float, so be it! Maybe we can look closer at him on Day 2.

As tomorrow is Mother's Day, I won't be available much, so please don't lynch me by accident.

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

StorrZerg - BGtheBrain, dazza
mtamburini - sempai, sempai, virus, charm
Ragian - mtamburini, dd
sempai - virus, madmitch, Pixar
charm - tonkaed, HotShot, Endgame, Ragian
pershy - degaston

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

[sempaispellcheck]

VOTE COUNT
mtamburini - sempai, sempai, virus, charm
sempai - virus, madmitch, Pixar

virus has two votes, too?

sempai

[skillfusniper33]

Vote Mtam.

I would really like to hear more about the ability you have and are planning on using tonight.

VOTE COUNT
mtamburini - sempai, sempai, virus, charm
sempai - virus, madmitch, Pixar

virus has two votes, too?

sempai

That is likely an error, but if it isn't that is a very interesting thing to learn here.

[StorrZerg]

Can someone explain why having Tambo full claim helps town, when he is claiming to use his power on a 3rd party?

I have the most to gain with his lynch, and you see me defending his pressure.

[charm]

1. Because if Tam is mafia then we need to lynch him now or at least apply pressure to see if we can find out more.
2. If he is mafia then we can trust he is going to do anything he says.
3. He has been way to quiet and unless I missed it, there is no reason for him to be so quiet all of a sudden.
4. Doesn't seem like he is trying to help us find the scum.

Is 4 reasons enough?

[charm]

#2 should have been can't, not can.

[mtamburini]

People who need to say more:
Pixar, only notable thing; join vote on sempai without further explanation.
BG the brain, so far only commented on storr/mtam. might hate day 1 (so do i) but more is definately needed.
dd515; missing since tuesday, at that point didnt say much, voted ragian for posting without much substance
madmitch; just a couple of one/2 sentence posts. not much worth.

People who i hope say more, and then i mean more opinion.
charm, a bit talk about the setup is fine, but i rather see some more opinions on people since that is what helps finding scum.
dazza, focussing around storr, not much more then that. many short posts.
hotshot; maybe not fair to put him with the others in this part. but hasnt been around to much; and not as opinionated as he is sometimes.
mudpuppy; was busy with work, can relate to that, but his posts in my opinion have a high chit-chatty level. he "might"be considering looking into hotshot.... either do it or not, this is 50% ... ahh he might be scum, yeah everybody might be scum.
i would consider voting mudpuppy



unvote vote mtamburini.

mtam. i think he is a valid target, claims to have an ability in one post in the next he says: storr dies today or tonight. so i would say he has a kill ability. i have asked him in my previous posts to give some further insight into this and so far he hasnt. He town reads charm, who is not high on my town list for now. besides that he said he could side with the push on sempai and he was a big part in the eartly d1 storr discussion. little chat with dazza but thats about it.
so i would like some answers from him.
for instance since you hinted it; are you vig?
is it limited shot vig?
are you town ? 3th party? scum ? xD
are you still suspicious of storr?
who are you suspicious of now that sempai claimed?
it shouldnt be that we have to drag this out in my opinion it should be clear from posts that should have been made and questions that should have been answered.

my 2nd vote if i had it would be on mudpuppy, for reasons mentioned above. i would gladly switch but i am just to annoyed by mtams threats and mysteries.


about strike wolfs book on degaston:
im not to sure that degaston is scum, got more of a newbie player feel with him. kudos on the effort made in that post

ok i dont know what to conclude from this but while rereading i found it really accidental that aage mentions kingsley, strike says something about it and then sempai claims kingsley.... first 2 posts: mon 4, last friday 8.

Spoiler

The only possible cult I can think of would be The Death Eaters who are also the likely mafia. Of course the mafia could simply consist of Voldemort and the Horcruxes but that seems unlikely.

Assuming the town consists of more than just Harry Potter, we can assume that the mafia consists of more than He Who Must Not Be Named and his horcruxes I think. It seems more logical to me that the mafia roles are actual people, rather than "You're Tom Riddle's diary" - especially assuming that He Who Must Not Be Named is a godfather-y type. There might be some mechanism involving horcruxes and eg. night immunity (maybe we get to destroy one ever day or when we lynch mafia or smth), but we'll probably hear about that later in the scenes. Since we'd need some special item or spell to destroy a horcrux, it seems more logical that the mafia are people rather than horcruxes.


Also you forgot like 90% of the Order in your list of town. Surely, badass Kingsley should be mentioned. Probaby as some protective role. But I'd rather not make a list of all possible roles in the game... rather let the mafia make their own fake claims so they'll be easier to catch.

Kingsley is a peripheral character. I dont want to play the mod too much but fake claims really would depend on how strong he wanted to make the claims and if he did want to make them strong one or more of them could easily be a fake claim.

Interested in Storrs answer for the no cult/third party statement (unless I missed it).

\Deflection.
If your not scum why would my 2 votes you agreed with (mtam/dd) make me scum?

They wouldn't. But for those who think I'm scummy, they might be worth a look - if you're town, I'm town, and vice versa.

Why the rush, sempai?

Because I'm being bandwagoned (as gt pointed out), and I'm trying to get that to stop because it won't do anyone any good.

I'm Kingsley Shacklebolt, by the way - Auror, member of the Order of the Phoenix, friend of Albus - and of Harry.

sempai

No

[mtamburini]

Ive obviously been not participating in this game for a couple days and posting very little in other games because I have IRL stuff to do, with this being the biggest game it gets ignored because there is more to read. I will never claim nor do i suggest anyone to ever full claim.

[mtamburini]

1. Because if Tam is mafia then we need to lynch him now or at least apply pressure to see if we can find out more.
2. If he is mafia then we can trust he is going to do anything he says.
3. He has been way to quiet and unless I missed it, there is no reason for him to be so quiet all of a sudden.
4. Doesn't seem like he is trying to help us find the scum.

Is 4 reasons enough?

3. I am expected to not do IRL stuff?

Should we lynch you because you are a mother and are participating on mothers day?

[mtamburini]

Dont expect one long ass post that almost no one ever reads anyways.

[MudPuppy]

...are you town ?..

No

I'm not sure what you're responding to in virus's post... are you admitting you're not town?

[StorrZerg]

1. Because if Tam is mafia then we need to lynch him now or at least apply pressure to see if we can find out more.
2. If he is mafia then we can trust he is going to do anything he says.
3. He has been way to quiet and unless I missed it, there is no reason for him to be so quiet all of a sudden.
4. Doesn't seem like he is trying to help us find the scum.

Is 4 reasons enough?

1. needs a reason to why you think he is mafia. You can make that statement about anyone, and its weak.
2. this isnt' a reason.
3. Its the weekend he went on to explain a little latter. But again not a good reason.
4. ok sure maybe this point.

But you don't address anything regarding his hinting of a role and using it on me and how THAT would be beneficial.

I could literally copy your 4 points and put it against half the people in the game. They are not specific enough to help continue discussion on mtamb.