Tzor - Pope Says Climate Change Due to Man

[notyou2]

When I received my excommunication, it was in comic sans. I don't accept any papal document not in that font.

Maybe they think you are dyslexic.

no you

[notyou2]

Haha, I love these. The implication that one has to defend every single thing someone they voted for or believe in ever says or ever does, and if they can't/don't, that somehow proves they are wrong about everything else. hmm, let me try one....

Hey NotYou2! Obama says marriage is between a man and a woman and blessed by God. okay, go!

You're on my ignore list.

[casper]

http://www.wired.com/2015/06/popes-memo ... nd-blower/

[tzor]

OK I have gone through 50% (41 pages out 82) and I tend to be in general agreement with everything in it.

Some forms of pollution are part of people’s daily experience. Exposure to atmospheric pollutants produces a broad spectrum of health hazards, especially for the poor, and causes millions of premature deaths. People take sick, for example, from breathing high levels of smoke from fuels used in cooking or heating. There is also pollution that affects everyone, caused by transport, industrial fumes, substances which contribute to the acidification of soil and water, fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides, herbicides and agrotoxins in general. Technology, which, linked to business interests, is presented as the only way of solving these problems, in fact proves incapable of seeing the mysterious network of relations between things and so sometimes solves one problem only to create others.

[warmonger1981]

Who ends up paying for this. The consumer or the capitalist?

[notyou2]

New Orleans is sinking man and I don't want to swim.

[warmonger1981]

New Orleans is technically below sea level. Let it fill up. People are dumb for building there.

[notyou2]

[tzor]

I finally read all of it (well almost, I skipped the footnotes).

I'm going to throw out a couple of paragraphs for consideration.

120. Since everything is interrelated, concern for the protection of nature is also incompatible with the justification of abortion. How can we genuinely teach the importance of concern for other vulnerable beings, however troublesome or inconvenient they may be, if we fail to protect a human embryo, even when its presence is uncomfortable and creates difficulties? “If personal and social sensitivity towards the acceptance of the new life is lost, then other forms of acceptance that are valuable for society also wither away”.

171. The strategy of buying and selling “carbon credits” can lead to a new form of speculation which would not help reduce the emission of polluting gases worldwide. This system seems to provide a quick and easy solution under the guise of a certain commitment to the environment, but in no way does it allow for the radical change which present circumstances require. Rather, it may simply become a ploy which permits maintaining the excessive consumption of some countries and sectors.

200. Any technical solution which science claims to offer will be powerless to solve the serious problems of our world if humanity loses its compass, if we lose sight of the great motivations which make it possible for us to live in harmony, to make sacrifices and to treat others well. Believers themselves must constantly feel challenged to live in a way consonant with their faith and not to contradict it by their actions. They need to be encouraged to be ever open to God’s grace and to draw constantly from their deepest convictions about love, justice and peace. If a mistaken understanding of our own principles has at times led us to justify mistreating nature, to exercise tyranny over creation, to engage in war, injustice and acts of violence, we believers should
acknowledge that by so doing we were not faithful to the treasures of wisdom which we have been called to protect and preserve. Cultural limitations in different eras often affected the perception of these ethical and spiritual treasures, yet by constantly returning to their sources, religions will be better equipped to respond to today’s needs.

And finally the last word. (Before the footnotes, of course.)

Spoiler

246. At the conclusion of this lengthy reflection which has been both joyful and troubling, I propose that we offer two prayers. The first we can share with all who believe in a God who is the allpowerful Creator, while in the other we Christians ask for inspiration to take up the commitment to creation set before us by the Gospel of Jesus.

A prayer for our earth

All-powerful God, you are present in the whole universe
and in the smallest of your creatures.
You embrace with your tenderness all that exists.
Pour out upon us the power of your love,
hat we may protect life and beauty.
Fill us with peace, that we may live
as brothers and sisters, harming no one.
O God of the poor,
help us to rescue the abandoned and forgotten of this earth,
so precious in your eyes.
Bring healing to our lives,
that we may protect the world and not prey on it,
that we may sow beauty, not pollution and destruction.
Touch the hearts
of those who look only for gain
at the expense of the poor and the earth.
Teach us to discover the worth of each thing,
to be filled with awe and contemplation,
to recognize that we are profoundly united
with every creature
as we journey towards your infinite light.
We thank you for being with us each day.
Encourage us, we pray, in our struggle
for justice, love and peace.

A Christian prayer in union with creation

Father, we praise you with all your creatures.
They came forth from your all-powerful hand;
they are yours, filled with your presence and your tender love.
Praise be to you!

Son of God, Jesus,
through you all things were made.
You were formed in the womb of Mary our Mother,
you became part of this earth,
and you gazed upon this world with human eyes.
Today you are alive in every creature
in your risen glory.
Praise be to you!

Holy Spirit, by your light
you guide this world towards the Father’s love
and accompany creation as it groans in travail.
You also dwell in our hearts
and you inspire us to do what is good.
Praise be to you!

Triune Lord, wondrous community of infinite love,
teach us to contemplate you
in the beauty of the universe,
for all things speak of you.
Awaken our praise and thankfulness
for every being that you have made.
Give us the grace to feel profoundly joined
to everything that is.

God of love, show us our place in this world
as channels of your love
for all the creatures of this earth,
for not one of them is forgotten in your sight.
Enlighten those who possess power and money
that they may avoid the sin of indifference,
that they may love the common good, advance the weak,
and care for this world in which we live.
The poor and the earth are crying out.
O Lord, seize us with your power and light,
help us to protect all life,
to prepare for a better future,
for the coming of your Kingdom
of justice, peace, love and beauty.
Praise be to you!
Amen.

[notyou2]

So what are you going to do about this Tzor?

[Serbia]

So what are you going to do about this Tzor?

If he doesn't respond "I dunno, prolly drink some rum" - then he's lying.

Bollocks.

[tzor]

I already bought a Prius ...

(twice)

Your turn.

[notyou2]

I have one too

[mrswdk]

I run my AC 24 hours a day to keep cool and eat the majority of my meals with disposable chopsticks.

I don't understand why anyone would choose to spend any of their time worrying about the environment.

[tzor]

And we see the real problem here ... ALL THOSE GODLESS HEATHENS.

[mrswdk]

[notyou2]

And we see the real problem here ... ALL THOSE GODLESS HEATHENS.

I see the real problem here. Catholics disregarding the pope.

[tzor]

I see the real problem here. Catholics disregarding the pope.

Are you looking at me? And if so how am I disregarding the pope?

[notyou2]

By denying climate change is man made. I understood you are denying it even exists.

[warmonger1981]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... K0C2AE2SgA

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 8GGRUPvQbg




Weapons are also bad. No self defense.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

[DoomYoshi]

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/28054/28 ... html#toc85

[tzor]

By denying climate change is man made. I understood you are denying it even exists.

I've never said that it doesn't exist. I've maintained that CO2 increases in the atmosphere do not have the doomsday impact that people have been suggesting and that government plants to so call "limit" CO2 will have no practical effect and merely hurt people in the long run.

Another determining factor has been an increase in changed uses of the soil, principally deforestation for agricultural purposes.

When he mentions greenhouse gasses he mentions all of them ...

yet a number of scientific studies indicate that most global warming in recent decades is due to the great concentration of greenhouse gases (carbon dioxide, methane, nitrogen oxides and others) released mainly as a result of human activity.

Source EPA

In 2013, nitrous oxide (N2O) accounted for about 5% of all U.S. greenhouse gas emissions from human activities. Nitrous oxide is naturally present in the atmosphere as part of the Earth's nitrogen cycle, and has a variety of natural sources. However, human activities such as agriculture, fossil fuel combustion, wastewater management, and industrial processes are increasing the amount of N2O in the atmosphere. Nitrous oxide molecules stay in the atmosphere for an average of 114 years before being removed by a sink or destroyed through chemical reactions. The impact of 1 pound of N2O on warming the atmosphere is almost 300 times that of 1 pound of carbon dioxide.

So, what is the global warming community's response to N2O? (SOUND EFFECT OF CRICKETS CHIRPING)

Let's review here
agriculture,
fossil fuel combustion,
wastewater management,
and industrial processes

And then we get into methane.

But instead we get it's only CO2, it's only fossil fuel and we have to keep the Africans from having enough power to keep their hospitals running because of the potential danger in the future. We must hold our breath while china can have the worse breath possible.

So, no, what the holy father has said is not a badly made Al Gore movie. I've never said that there are ecological problems that the world has to solve; I"ve only said that your so called problems are the least of them!

[tzor]

Weapons are also bad. No self defense.

We need to define weapons in their proper context, since he is talking about the use of bombs in the same context. As conservative as I am, even I will admit that the American weapons corporations do drive a lot of the US policy decisions and generally result us in either getting into conflicts that we should not be in or in arming groups who should not be armed in the first place.

ATK for example is #17 in Business Insiders 25 Biggest Defense Companies In America. I don't think they are providing bullets for Mom and Pop. The top three are

#1 Lockheed Martin
Arms sales: $35.7 billion

#2 Boeing
Arms sales: $31.4 billion

#3 Northrop Grumann
Arms sales: $28 billion

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/top-25-u ... z3dv3vY2VO

Full disclosure I own stock in Northrop Grumman, mostly because it used to be on Long Island. Should I? That is his question.

[warmonger1981]

Military Industrial Complex sound familiar? Technological Elite maybe? Eisenhower?