[Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [8/14] D4:Twisted Pattern

[StorrZerg]

So, hotshot and madmitch should vote today, and ask the mod to make sure they retain control over their vote. Then confirm that in the thread to get that annoyance out of the way.

[Marashu]

To losing End. Many of his posts were mechanics-related, so I find it fitting that he dies without us knowing his actions (besides him pretty much confirming he has a visit action). Also, so far that's 2 roles (well, role and a fakeclaim) that have revolved around Perrin.

And have i been a bit long toothed and given something away?

Can't believe I missed this.

So far as I can tell, he was suspicious of Talapus and Storr (based on the Streaker lynch).

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Are you suggesting a Vig? Why would there be a vig with only one kill? Do you think someone prevented the mafia kill?

Wont a vig be shot the moment they suggest hurting mafia if they claim?

fp'd by Mars.

[StorrZerg]

vote marsh

So in half an hour, you reread his posts and found his soft claim.
Wing has been more active at this point. I wonder if he can recall seeing you active this whole time.

@wing yes. Hotshot and mitch had 2 protection roles, add that to what ever else is around, I think it's very likely. He was an awful kill since he easily could have been the miss lynch.

Marashu, not buying how quick he found the soft claim. He saw it earlier imo.

[StorrZerg]

Let me clarify, i grow less suspect of Marashu if vg shot end. Other wise if no vig claim, I am very suspect of him.

[Marashu]

vote marsh

So in half an hour, you reread his posts and found his soft claim.
Wing has been more active at this point. I wonder if he can recall seeing you active this whole time.

@wing yes. Hotshot and mitch had 2 protection roles, add that to what ever else is around, I think it's very likely. He was an awful kill since he easily could have been the miss lynch.

Marashu, not buying how quick he found the soft claim. He saw it earlier imo.

Yes, yes I did. Was using Ctrl-F to read his posts. Saw that one, which jumped out to me.

[Iron Butterfly]

I have paraphrased the offer made me last night.

"What is it you wish? Everlasting life? Your deepest desires fulfilled? I can grant those. Tell me and i can give you sweetness beyond imagination. I will grant you a Kingdom above all else to rule as you will. Will you swear?"

The reason we have not seen roles is because our characters dictate what we do. If I were to die you would see my name but no role. Why? We still have actions that help Town but as we have seen we are still kept guessing.
When I visited my chosen person last night I received the above communication. I thought it was a result of my action/visit. I am glad I did not post it, but I at first thought it had something to do with my visit, hence my post.

Do we have a Vig? Very possible mafia was blocked. Now I was vig a few games ago, took a shot and claimed immediately. No excuse not to. Town needs as much clarity as possible.

[StorrZerg]

O and as you may have suspected, then started to doubt me + last night msg to you.

I have no night action.

[Endgame422]

Well thats a suprise.
Go get em town. Your still in good shape to win this one!

[Iron Butterfly]

O and as you may have suspected, then started to doubt me + last night msg to you.

I have no night action.

Considering everything Mtam has done this game why do you believe he is Town other then the push on Wing?He pulls the same stuff every game day one. He has done nothing except lay low and praise my Towniness and made a few reads with no explanation.Hardly inspiring Town play, though true to form.

Is it possible to have Town dead, a mafia blocked and a third party recruiter?

There are only 2 choices in sofar as what happened to me. I was either being recruited or being killed. We all have specific win conditions I would think. If I were to swear to this unknown entity I would be joining another faction.My win condition would not be fulfilled. Death?

I would also find it extremely difficult to except that this is mafias kill action. Great all we have to do is resit temptation and game over for the bad guys.

[StorrZerg]

DO you think the vig should claim if we have one? Regardless if they shot or not?

[mtamburini]

DO you think the vig should claim if we have one? Regardless if they shot or not?

What do we gain from this information ?

[StorrZerg]

DO you think the vig should claim if we have one? Regardless if they shot or not?

What do we gain from this information ?

because vig is good to know. lol? do i have to explain every game why vig claiming is good?
you should know of all people the benefits of vig claiming early. Secondly, stop being so inactive, its boring man :/

1. holds them accountable
2. gives them time to prove their power
3. its a strong town role, and looks a hell of a lot better claimed early, rather than when claimed under pressure.
4. day vigs rock

[StorrZerg]

Also we should be talking about which 2 people should be visiting me.

[Metsfanmax]

1) Why are we talking about a vig
2) Why does anyone need to visit Storr, and if so, why does it need to be 2 people?

[StorrZerg]

Having one is silly, because then that person if mafia, could lie about the item.

Having 2 ensures that their cannot be a lie, sure it increases the chance a mafia is in the group.

also why are we talking about the vig? because endgame died and thats weird as f*ck. he wans't being hard town read. He was high up on the list to get pushed today.

[HotShot53]

Having one is silly, because then that person if mafia, could lie about the item.

Having 2 ensures that their cannot be a lie, sure it increases the chance a mafia is in the group.

also why are we talking about the vig? because endgame died and thats weird as f*ck. he wans't being hard town read. He was high up on the list to get pushed today.

Are you giving out something different today? I'll visit again lol.

I have paraphrased the offer made me last night.

"What is it you wish? Everlasting life? Your deepest desires fulfilled? I can grant those. Tell me and i can give you sweetness beyond imagination. I will grant you a Kingdom above all else to rule as you will. Will you swear?"

The reason we have not seen roles is because our characters dictate what we do. If I were to die you would see my name but no role. Why? We still have actions that help Town but as we have seen we are still kept guessing.
When I visited my chosen person last night I received the above communication. I thought it was a result of my action/visit. I am glad I did not post it, but I at first thought it had something to do with my visit, hence my post.

Do we have a Vig? Very possible mafia was blocked. Now I was vig a few games ago, took a shot and claimed immediately. No excuse not to. Town needs as much clarity as possible.

Your post is a little confusing... so did that message come from the person you visited? Or from someone who visited you? Do you know who it came from?

[mtamburini]

@storr I'll agree on video mafia / allstars set up its good but those are open setups this is not.

Internet has been funny grabbing wifi wherever I can. Times are tough when you have to play smite in the library.

[madmitch]

II might visit someone else ,so I can find out what they offer or who they are?

[madmitch]

HOTSHOT who do you want to visit ?

[Iron Butterfly]

HOTSHOT who do you want to visit ?

Why would you care who HS visits?

[Iron Butterfly]

@Hotshot The message was a result of someone visiting me. They were making me an offer. I confirmed it with the Mod.

AT FIRST I thought it was because of me visiting my person of choice.

[Metsfanmax]

Having one is silly, because then that person if mafia, could lie about the item.

You said earlier that you know what item it is.

Ok, you shouldn't claim what you got. I know what it is.

So if you know what it is, how can they lie?

Having 2 ensures that their cannot be a lie, sure it increases the chance a mafia is in the group.

You also said earlier:

If one of madmitch or hotshot is mafia, thats fine, they only know what one got, and not the other.

Which means that two people getting an item is irrelevant -- neither knows what the other got. So again, your statement is completely misleading.

also why are we talking about the vig? because endgame died and thats weird as f*ck. he wans't being hard town read. He was high up on the list to get pushed today.

So we're essentially saying that it's quite likely that mafia were blocked and there's a vig in the game and they hit town rather than the much more parsimonious explanation that mafia killed town? The bit about some concern on End is kind of lolworthy -- who hasn't been pushed by someone yet in this game? And since presumably all mafia have day actions, they very well could have learned something dangerous about End that made him the target.

Also, you've consistently called what the other person got an item, but Hotshot referred to it on multiple occasions as an ability, which is interesting.


Yep, still thinking you're scum.

[Iron Butterfly]

DO you think the vig should claim if we have one? Regardless if they shot or not?

If A Vig makes a bad shot yes. If they hold back no.My opinion.

[StorrZerg]

You said earlier that you know what item it is.

I knew what the last items are, i don't know what new items could be handed out today.

So if you know what it is, how can they lie?

because i could die in the night, thus items would be up for question

Which means that two people getting an item is irrelevant -- neither knows what the other got. So again, your statement is completely misleading.

I have my full claim you do not.

So we're essentially saying that it's quite likely that mafia were blocked and there's a vig in the game and they hit town rather than the much more parsimonious explanation that mafia killed town? The bit about some concern on End is kind of lolworthy -- who hasn't been pushed by someone yet in this game? And since presumably all mafia have day actions, they very well could have learned something dangerous about End that made him the target.

Considering who died. Yes, i do believe its very possible end was shot by a vig. Hence why id like to see the claim.
Its not about who hasn't been pushed, its about how many people and the collective of towns push. Far more people pushed him, rather than you. same with talapus. Additionally, he played no role in lynching streaker. Hence based on the information we had, its weird.

Also, you've consistently called what the other person got an item, but Hotshot referred to it on multiple occasions as an ability, which is interesting.

Interchangeable? are they not? He traded for an item / ability, same difference.

Yep, still thinking you're scum.

No problem! Just sheep me again as i lead another lynch on mafia. kthx.