[Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [8/14] D4:Twisted Pattern

[aage]

Oh, and I think the "taint" possibly refers to this:

http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Ruby-hilted_dagger

[Endgame422]

Ya im witb you aage.
Good point about countering streaker but not me.
Wing is my target today.
His comment about "forcing mtam to shoot end" right after he made a case for me being town still sticks out to me.
Trying to get me killed,saying im town so when i flipped town he could say "told you so"
Just makes no sense for a townie.
Interesting that wing/mets are aages picks for scum and also constitute the entirety of my wagon.
The wagon they both quick voted on before day actions even.

[aage]

Ya im witb you aage.
Good point about countering streaker but not me.
Wing is my target today.
His comment about "forcing mtam to shoot end" right after he made a case for me being town still sticks out to me.
Trying to get me killed,saying im town so when i flipped town he could say "told you so"
Just makes no sense for a townie.
Interesting that wing/mets are aages picks for scum and also constitute the entirety of my wagon.
The wagon they both quick voted on before day actions even.

Mets is not my scum pick. I said he'd be most likely GF between the "cleared" targets of IB. Got and Tal are still possible scum too, and I picked up on the fact that Mitch half-claimed Rand? Could be scum still, but he's a hard read since he's very random. Wouldn't be opposed to vigging him if hotshot-mitch interaction doesn't yield anything.

[aage]

Ya im witb you aage.
Good point about countering streaker but not me.
Wing is my target today.
His comment about "forcing mtam to shoot end" right after he made a case for me being town still sticks out to me.
Trying to get me killed,saying im town so when i flipped town he could say "told you so"
Just makes no sense for a townie.
Interesting that wing/mets are aages picks for scum and also constitute the entirety of my wagon.
The wagon they both quick voted on before day actions even.

Mets is not my scum pick. I said he'd be most likely GF between the "cleared" targets of IB. Got and Tal are still possible scum too, and I picked up on the fact that Mitch half-claimed Rand? Could be scum still, but he's a hard read since he's very random. Wouldn't be opposed to vigging him if hotshot-mitch interaction doesn't yield anything.

ebwop - "I said he'd be most likely GF between the "cleared" targets of IB" IF there is a gf between those. Wouldn't surprise me if Wings was gf tbh.

[aage]

Also, the fact that Wings and Mets voted you quickly before day actions were resolved isn't really a scum read on Mets. His quickvote is slightly town indicative actually because you did lie about your role. Wings is odd because he posted that he town read you during N3 - then votes you after the night resolves. His RB power couldn't really have given him info on your alignment, so he basically turned his whole read on you upside down based on it rather than get the situation cleared up, which is odd.

[Endgame422]

Meh.
I just think 2 scum/10 town is unlikely,especially since scum don't appear to have NK power(possibly died with streaker).
But whatevs. I guess we will see whos right and whos left tomorrow.

[madmitch]

Well IRON Butterfly there was nothing for me and I don,t know if you received anything from visiting me if you did? also welcome Aage and I agree with your keen instinct about wings and say yup VOTE WINGS

[Iron Butterfly]

My read on Endgame is he is not playing as Mafia.

I investigated DD night 2 and he came up clean. Having a fresh set of eyes helps.

I got the same result with Mitch yesterday.A tugging sensation and a fortune cookie slogan about the Wheel.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Also, the fact that Wings and Mets voted you quickly before day actions were resolved isn't really a scum read on Mets. His quickvote is slightly town indicative actually because you did lie about your role. Wings is odd because he posted that he town read you during N3 - then votes you after the night resolves. His RB power couldn't really have given him info on your alignment, so he basically turned his whole read on you upside down based on it rather than get the situation cleared up, which is odd.

I didn't roleblock last night. What changed is that IB cleared all but you, me and End. Town had no strong reason to shoot Storr which is what End claims to have down. Turned out ok, but that doesn't defend the action.

Aage please tell me how flavourwise, Mitch, IB or Tal fit their roles. So far you are using the argument that i am in cahoots with End. Clever, thats why you want to lynch me and not End? Does it suit your purposes to keep the nightkiller alive?

[aage]

Also, the fact that Wings and Mets voted you quickly before day actions were resolved isn't really a scum read on Mets. His quickvote is slightly town indicative actually because you did lie about your role. Wings is odd because he posted that he town read you during N3 - then votes you after the night resolves. His RB power couldn't really have given him info on your alignment, so he basically turned his whole read on you upside down based on it rather than get the situation cleared up, which is odd.

I didn't roleblock last night. What changed is that IB cleared all but you, me and End. Town had no strong reason to shoot Storr which is what End claims to have down. Turned out ok, but that doesn't defend the action.

Aage please tell me how flavourwise, Mitch, IB or Tal fit their roles. So far you are using the argument that i am in cahoots with End. Clever, thats why you want to lynch me and not End? Does it suit your purposes to keep the nightkiller alive?

You're strawmanning me, but it's not going to work.

This is what I said. Either:
(a) you are lying about your role and didn't want to counterclaim Got/End2 because he would have flipped town (and you expected him to flip roleblocker/vig); or
(b) you didn't want to counterclaim End2 because he is your scumbuddy.

First of all, I don't think End is scum. Secondly, in both cases you are the scum. There is no option (c) because, as I said, I see no reason why a town Wings would not counterclaim End's roleblock claim.

End2 claims that he shot End1. Scum would not have made that kill, this has been established ages ago. If scum killed End1 by accident, eg. there is a busdriver they don't know about, that person would have claimed and End2 would've been exposed a liar. Nobody did, so he isn't. End2 is town because he shot End1.


Also, you didn't answer my question. Why didn't you counterclaim?

[aage]

Also, the fact that Wings and Mets voted you quickly before day actions were resolved isn't really a scum read on Mets. His quickvote is slightly town indicative actually because you did lie about your role. Wings is odd because he posted that he town read you during N3 - then votes you after the night resolves. His RB power couldn't really have given him info on your alignment, so he basically turned his whole read on you upside down based on it rather than get the situation cleared up, which is odd.

I didn't roleblock last night. What changed is that IB cleared all but you, me and End. Town had no strong reason to shoot Storr which is what End claims to have down. Turned out ok, but that doesn't defend the action.

Aage please tell me how flavourwise, Mitch, IB or Tal fit their roles. So far you are using the argument that i am in cahoots with End. Clever, thats why you want to lynch me and not End? Does it suit your purposes to keep the nightkiller alive?

Mitch I can't answer, I don't believe he fullclaimed.

IB and Tal fit their roles because they independently confirmed their own flavour. IB said he was looking for a woman with power, and said that after Marash died there was at least one more left. Nynaeve is the only flavour fit left, but this was not posted in the thread at the time. Tal claimed Nynaeve and nobody counterclaimed, which establishes that either Tal is Nynaeve or there is no Nynaeve, in which case both Tal and IB are lying.

So either they are both lying, or they are both telling the truth. They cannot be lying independently of each other. Since I believe you are scum, your flip will answer us that question. I'm willing to mistrust IB and Tal only if you flip town.

[aage]

Also, to make sure I didn't miss anything seriously important: Mets, Mtam and Mitch all haven't claimed yet, correct?

[aage]

Lastly, concerning the visitations. Have you guys considered the possibility that the message "princess is AWOL from castle" means that the day visit only goes off if the visited party doesn't leave his house?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mitch has claimed Rand with no night action. Correct Mtam and Mets havent claimed.

Aage you are forgetting Elayne. And are also not answering how their characters fit their roles. You have given ingame confirmations that the mod provided. I am sorry that I do not have one.

I did not counterclaim End as he hasnt claimed town roleblocker, his role is more complicated than that.

If you believe End to be town joat, then you also must believe mafia have a godfather to balance the game?

[Endgame422]

My read on Endgame is he is not playing as Mafia.

I investigated DD night 2 and he came up clean. Having a fresh set of eyes helps.

I got the same result with Mitch yesterday.A tugging sensation and a fortune cookie slogan about the Wheel.

Whoa.
Mets is not clear but dd/aage is?
Thats big news,esp if wing flips scum.

[Metsfanmax]

Mets is cleared. Let's move on from that discussion, please.

[aage]

Mitch has claimed Rand with no night action. Correct Mtam and Mets havent claimed.

Aage you are forgetting Elayne. And are also not answering how their characters fit their roles. You have given ingame confirmations that the mod provided. I am sorry that I do not have one.

I'm not forgetting Elayne, she's hardly present in EotW. Given the current claims I am very certain Nynaeve is in this game, and there are four unclaimed specific names (including my own) that, together, comprise the main characters in EotW. This completes the list of roles in the game and confirms my suspicions that you (claiming Min) are not one of them. I could post the list if you guys want, but I'd prefer to hear a claim from Mtam and Mets before that, and I see no point in them claiming right now.

Rand with no night action is logical, he doesn't know he's the Dragon Reborn yet in EotW and has no special powers whatsoever. Awaiting the IB-Mitch interaction to confirm this - although IB's role already basically confirms that Rand is in the game, and since Mtam or Mets didn't counterclaim Mitch he is almost confirmed to be Rand.

I did not counterclaim End as he hasnt claimed town roleblocker, his role is more complicated than that.

If you believe End to be town joat, then you also must believe mafia have a godfather to balance the game?

The setup is clearly distorted by the day visit abilities, but it's possible for mafia to have a godfather. Why do you bring this up?

[aage]

Mets is cleared. Let's move on from that discussion, please.

If you're cleared by IB without his night action targeting you, I believe I know your role and may have solved the setup, in which case Wing is the last scum. If IB doesn't clear you, we'll revive that discussion.

vote wing

[aage]

IB and Mets, could you join in the discussion on Wing's claim and actions in the game?

[mtamburini]

Did anyone else get their day actions?

[aage]

I got mine in and back, might want to resend if Rish didnt respond to yours.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If you believe End to be town joat, then you also must believe mafia have a godfather to balance the game?

The setup is clearly distorted by the day visit abilities, but it's possible for mafia to have a godfather. Why do you bring this up?

Because its important. Are you going throw everything I write back down my throat?

[aage]

If you believe End to be town joat, then you also must believe mafia have a godfather to balance the game?

The setup is clearly distorted by the day visit abilities, but it's possible for mafia to have a godfather. Why do you bring this up?

Because its important. Are you going throw everything I write back down my throat?

I responded to every other question you posed. I also responded to this question, maybe in slightly less detail. I'm showing way more consideration to you than I would normally to someone who I think is scum, this kind of response only makes you look worse tbh.


IB, Mets, even Mtam, please get online and join the discussion. You all posted but didn't say anything relevant.

[Iron Butterfly]

Mets is cleared. Let's move on from that discussion, please.

If you're cleared by IB without his night action targeting you, I believe I know your role and may have solved the setup, in which case Wing is the last scum. If IB doesn't clear you, we'll revive that discussion.

vote wing

Please expand on your theory. I will let you know if it makes sense or not.

[aage]

Mets is cleared. Let's move on from that discussion, please.

If you're cleared by IB without his night action targeting you, I believe I know your role and may have solved the setup, in which case Wing is the last scum. If IB doesn't clear you, we'll revive that discussion.

vote wing

Please expand on your theory. I will let you know if it makes sense or not.

You claimed Moiraine. Apparently Mets thinks you've cleared him even though you didn't target him with your night action. That would only make sense if Mets is Lan, so that is my theory.