[Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [8/14] D4:Twisted Pattern

[aage]

IB, why don't you believe Wing is mafia?

[Metsfanmax]

I don't often play the metagame card, but isn't this aggressive pushing of people to post their opinions a little unusual for aage? Like he came in knowing that he had to answer for dd's behavior and did so by forcing attention on everyone else?

[Iron Butterfly]

IB, why don't you believe Wing is mafia?

I never said I do not believe wing is mafia.

Everyone has their pros and cons.

I have not checked Wing, Mitch nor End.

[Endgame422]

IB, why don't you believe Wing is mafia?

I never said I do not believe wing is mafia.

Except you said exactly that,today even.

I dont believe Wing is mafia

Your scaring me here IB.
And if aage was mafia he just jump on the endgame wagon,have me lynched easily and be done with today.
Why would scum push claimed RB(wing)when claimed JOAT(myself) has enough momentum to get lynched easily. Just doesn't make sense.

[Iron Butterfly]

IB, why don't you believe Wing is mafia?

I never said I do not believe wing is mafia.

Except you said exactly that,today even.

I dont believe Wing is mafia

Your scaring me here IB.
And if aage was mafia he just jump on the endgame wagon,have me lynched easily and be done with today.
Why would scum push claimed RB(wing)when claimed JOAT(myself) has enough momentum to get lynched easily. Just doesn't make sense.

Honestly nothing makes sense...However.

mafia's ideal goal is to sit back and watch as Town eats itself up.

I flip back and forth I admit.

You are not a JOAT either...you are way more powerful.

Tal get your ass in here.

[Iron Butterfly]

whats vote count?

[aage]

I don't often play the metagame card, but isn't this aggressive pushing of people to post their opinions a little unusual for aage? Like he came in knowing that he had to answer for dd's behavior and did so by forcing attention on everyone else?

I don't follow. I have given town reads and scum reads. I've asked the town reads who posted since I subbed in to chime in because you haven't at all responded to my accusations and post content. I don't see how I have to answer for dd's behavior because he played excellent while he was here, and I would be surprised if you did not town read him/me. I'm forcing attention because this game has deadlines and I want to know your opinion. Both on my case and on my attempt to break open the setup.


IB, like endgame said you did literally post that. Tell me why please, I wanna know.

[aage]

I think this is the VC atm

end (2) wings, mets
wings (3) end, aage, mitch

wings at L-2, but I'm in no hurry to end the day just yet, Tal and Mtam need to get in and you+mets need to voice your opinion on Wings.

[Metsfanmax]

I don't follow. I have given town reads and scum reads. I've asked the town reads who posted since I subbed in to chime in because you haven't at all responded to my accusations and post content.

You haven't added anything to the case against Wing except for the information that you are against Wing. I don't think there's fundamentally anything in your case worth responding to that hasn't already been covered. At this point whether to go with Wing or End is less about whether they are definitely scum (because we do not know) and more about which would give us more useful information on the flip.

I don't see how I have to answer for dd's behavior because he played excellent while he was here

That's a bit of a stretch, but anyway the point is that he wasn't here, and you know perfectly well what type of suspicion arises when someone stops participating.

and I would be surprised if you did not town read him/me.

I did not town read him or you whatsoever. The only evidence I have in the pro-town column for you is IB's visit.

I'm forcing attention because this game has deadlines and I want to know your opinion. Both on my case and on my attempt to break open the setup.

If you don't want claims from unclaimed people, why are you openly posting about your suspicions of who they are? I can't comment on your thoughts without revealing who I am, which as you said isn't really wise at this point.

[aage]

I don't follow. I have given town reads and scum reads. I've asked the town reads who posted since I subbed in to chime in because you haven't at all responded to my accusations and post content.

You haven't added anything to the case against Wing except for the information that you are against Wing. I don't think there's fundamentally anything in your case worth responding to that hasn't already been covered. At this point whether to go with Wing or End is less about whether they are definitely scum (because we do not know) and more about which would give us more useful information on the flip.

- Wing's role name is unlikely to be in the game
- Wing didn't counterclaim End (nor Streaker, for that matter, but I guess Streaker was already going down)
- Wing is quite obviously baring his teeth against me atm, choosing to respond only to partial accusations and misconstruing my posts

- Assuming that IB's claim is correct, Wings is the only person that can be mafia. IB cleared me, Mtam and Tal. Somehow he says you are clear too. That leaves End, Mitch and Wing. Mitch claimed Rand and IB's "quest" ability proves that there is a character named Rand in the game. End is not mafia because f'ckin hell, a mafioso who has the ability to busdrive and who kills End1 on night 1 is bullshit, and his play has been consistent with town; as was said D2, shooting End1 was pro-town and I do not believe mafia killed End1 on N1, End2 claimed the kill and nobody counterclaimed him which clears End2. I am willing to concede that it's possible for End2 to be a serial killer type role but it's unlikely, Wings is like 99% likely to be mafia in this scenario.

I don't see how I have to answer for dd's behavior because he played excellent while he was here

That's a bit of a stretch, but anyway the point is that he wasn't here, and you know perfectly well what type of suspicion arises when someone stops participating.

Well the fact that he was replaced should tell you enough about how alignment indicative his inactivity was, no?

and I would be surprised if you did not town read him/me.

I did not town read him or you whatsoever. The only evidence I have in the pro-town column for you is IB's visit.

That, and the fact that DD picked a fight with both Streaker and Storr on D1, who are the only confirmed non-town we have.

I'm forcing attention because this game has deadlines and I want to know your opinion. Both on my case and on my attempt to break open the setup.

If you don't want claims from unclaimed people, why are you openly posting about your suspicions of who they are? I can't comment on your thoughts without revealing who I am, which as you said isn't really wise at this point.

I didn't post my suspicions for you to confirm them, I posted them because IB asked me to. IB is currently the most trustworthy town, so you can't blame me for giving him what he wants.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

You wanted me to counterclaim Streaker D1? Reveal my role for zero town benefit.

Your case boils down to what we already know, End, myself and Mitch are uncleared by IB. That doesnt make me mafia.

[aage]

You wanted me to counterclaim Streaker D1? Reveal my role for zero town benefit.

Your case boils down to what we already know, End, myself and Mitch are uncleared by IB. That doesnt make me mafia.

I didn't say I wanted you to counterclaim Streaker D1, I said that you didn't. Since Streaker was going down anyway, that's not an argument against you. Hence why it's between brackets, and why I didn't mention it earlier. Still noted because there is a history of mafia claiming roleblocker in this game.

If you do believe IB and you do believe, like you say, that End, Mitch and yourself are uncleared, and you are actually town, you should be figuring out whether Mitch or End is the mafia and building a case against them, instead of responding to posts I intend for IB and Mets.

[rishaed]

Vote Count:

WCmdrG (3) - aage, Endgame, madmitch
Endgame (2) - WCmdrG, Mets

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Lets say the Deadline is on the 13th because of my absence and the replacement.

[Iron Butterfly]

Why not move the deadline up so as to give the game some immediacy?

[rishaed]

Why not move the deadline up so as to give the game some immediacy?

If there is consensus on this I am willing. I am willing to move it up to say, the 10th if there is enough agreement on it.

[Talapus]

Glancing through the thread I don't see that anyone has posted their day actions. Will have time tomorrow to read in depth and catch up on Aage's case against wing...sorry had a family member pass and that with work has kept me very busy.

I would like to say though that by far the result of my day visit was the most useless thing I have gotten all game. I mean I didn't get any message or anything, just a one word answer. Anyone else strike out?

[mtamburini]

I will be placing my vote on wing.

I dont think there is 3 scum left so if IB is fake claiming he cant win today and would most likely just be clearing his partner is mets or tal. Not looking at his checks I TR Mitch the most unfortunately, his play this game is not consitant with his scum play, Aage replacing DD has talked a lot today I have mixed feeling for aage as I TR DD day 1 flipped him day 2 unsure day 3 and now that hes been replaced im back to square one.

[aage]

Glancing through the thread I don't see that anyone has posted their day actions. Will have time tomorrow to read in depth and catch up on Aage's case against wing...sorry had a family member pass and that with work has kept me very busy.

I would like to say though that by far the result of my day visit was the most useless thing I have gotten all game. I mean I didn't get any message or anything, just a one word answer. Anyone else strike out?

Were you expecting something to happen?
I (dd actually) had a day visit on day 1 which was 100% fruitless, didn't yield anything. He missed day 2 and day 3, though.

[Metsfanmax]

I would like to say though that by far the result of my day visit was the most useless thing I have gotten all game. I mean I didn't get any message or anything, just a one word answer. Anyone else strike out?

I visited mtam and got nothing.

[aage]

I will be placing my vote on wing.

I dont think there is 3 scum left so if IB is fake claiming he cant win today and would most likely just be clearing his partner is mets or tal.

I've been thinking about this.

Game has 14 players, the majority is always town.
Let's assume that just over half (9/14) is town. 9 town, leaves 5 non-town. We have had 2 third parties die and a mafia. There are still 2 non-town left in that scenario. I'd say Wing is maf and End a possible 3rd party.
Let's assume that a handsome majority as per normal games (10/14) is town. 10 town, leaves 4 non-town. There are three non-town dead which leaves only 1.

The only case in which we'd be screwed is if the game started with 8/14 town or less, in which case it's the setup that fucked us over. There are just as many non-town dead as there are townies dead, so yeah I agree scum can't win today.

My plan (if you guys permit it) is to hang Wing today on grounds of his claim, his behaviour and the process of elimination I posted earlier. If he flips scum, huzzah, lynch End tomorrow if the game continues. If he flips town, IB has lied about his role and/or abilities and we should hang him tomorrow. I don't think that's gonna happen though.

[aage]

During the night, horrible things were heard. Drahkgar screeched and crooned, but flowing forms kept them at bay. Meanwhile another searched, searched, and could not find who he was looking for. It was unusual for that to happen to him, but maybe, just maybe he would find him another time. Slowly the bleeding stopped, the Trollocs retreated, and the sun rose. When all looked around they were all there. To the relief of some, but the chagrin of others. Failure was never looked kindly upon by the Great Lord of the Dark. Oh no it was not.
D3 Start

Wing, to prepare for the scenario where you flip town you have to claim who you roleblocked during N3.

[mtamburini]

I would like to say though that by far the result of my day visit was the most useless thing I have gotten all game. I mean I didn't get any message or anything, just a one word answer. Anyone else strike out?

I visited mtam and got nothing.

LOL same I visited you as well

[Endgame422]

I visited IB and struck out same as you tal.
Although i doubt i have any kind of day action honestly.
Deadline doesnt much matter to me.
1 more vote for wing plus mtam to hammer ends the day just fine.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

During the night, horrible things were heard. Drahkgar screeched and crooned, but flowing forms kept them at bay. Meanwhile another searched, searched, and could not find who he was looking for. It was unusual for that to happen to him, but maybe, just maybe he would find him another time. Slowly the bleeding stopped, the Trollocs retreated, and the sun rose. When all looked around they were all there. To the relief of some, but the chagrin of others. Failure was never looked kindly upon by the Great Lord of the Dark. Oh no it was not.
D3 Start

Wing, to prepare for the scenario where you flip town you have to claim who you roleblocked during N3.

I didnt roleblock during N3. I have said this three times now.

Can you please build an actual case against me rather than try and catch me changing my story. Its not hoing to happen as I have nothing to hide. You are obsessed with flavour and setup, but as yet have nothing on me. You are also now setting End up for tomorrow. As Mtam and Mets say you didnt have town cred coming into this day, and you havent earnt any yet.

What is your actual case? I dont need to build a case against End as everyone already knows it.

[aage]

During the night, horrible things were heard. Drahkgar screeched and crooned, but flowing forms kept them at bay. Meanwhile another searched, searched, and could not find who he was looking for. It was unusual for that to happen to him, but maybe, just maybe he would find him another time. Slowly the bleeding stopped, the Trollocs retreated, and the sun rose. When all looked around they were all there. To the relief of some, but the chagrin of others. Failure was never looked kindly upon by the Great Lord of the Dark. Oh no it was not.
D3 Start

Wing, to prepare for the scenario where you flip town you have to claim who you roleblocked during N3.

I didnt roleblock during N3. I have said this three times now.

Can you please build an actual case against me rather than try and catch me changing my story. Its not hoing to happen as I have nothing to hide. You are obsessed with flavour and setup, but as yet have nothing on me. You are also now setting End up for tomorrow. As Mtam and Mets say you didnt have town cred coming into this day, and you havent earnt any yet.

What is your actual case? I dont need to build a case against End as everyone already knows it.

Apologies, I meant to ask about Night 2. I ask because there were no deaths in N2.


Concerning the case. I gave an imo pretty good summary in response to mets earlier.

I don't follow. I have given town reads and scum reads. I've asked the town reads who posted since I subbed in to chime in because you haven't at all responded to my accusations and post content.

You haven't added anything to the case against Wing except for the information that you are against Wing. I don't think there's fundamentally anything in your case worth responding to that hasn't already been covered. At this point whether to go with Wing or End is less about whether they are definitely scum (because we do not know) and more about which would give us more useful information on the flip.

- Wing's role name is unlikely to be in the game
- Wing didn't counterclaim End (nor Streaker, for that matter, but I guess Streaker was already going down)
- Wing is quite obviously baring his teeth against me atm, choosing to respond only to partial accusations and misconstruing my posts

- Assuming that IB's claim is correct, Wings is the only person that can be mafia. IB cleared me, Mtam and Tal. Somehow he says you are clear too. That leaves End, Mitch and Wing. Mitch claimed Rand and IB's "quest" ability proves that there is a character named Rand in the game. End is not mafia because f'ckin hell, a mafioso who has the ability to busdrive and who kills End1 on night 1 is bullshit, and his play has been consistent with town; as was said D2, shooting End1 was pro-town and I do not believe mafia killed End1 on N1, End2 claimed the kill and nobody counterclaimed him which clears End2. I am willing to concede that it's possible for End2 to be a serial killer type role but it's unlikely, Wings is like 99% likely to be mafia in this scenario.

This is the backbone of my case against you. As I said after I subbed in, I already thought you should be lynched while reading page ~25 for scummy play. Your roleclaim doesn't fit the theme and IB's result combined with logical reasoning has eliminated every other possibility. There are plenty of aspects to my case on you that you can have beef with, I've already said you're probably better off accusing Mitch or End and building a case against them instead of whine about my inconsideration towards you which springs from my thorough belief that you are mafia.