Foundation Mafia [6/12] Endgame: Second Foundation Wins.

[TimWoodbury]

im as well conerned about wings misread of metsfan and i think we should now steer clear of hotshot dont think we want to tempt fate and go down the road again. so the serial killer is gone meaning hopefully no more night kills. so question anyone know what other roles the mafia may have?

......... if anything like ive been saying the last few posts is all your doing is drawing the mafia attention to me for a easy night kill

I thought you said there will be "hopefully no more night kills."
Sorry mate, you got lost in your own words.

when i made the origonal post you quoted above i had forgotten from reading the posts that the mafia get to kill at night 1 person if they get the equal vote, after i made that post someone i forget who mentions that mafia gets a night kill every night. your digging at nothing dakky as ive said from the get go im town im town im town how many more times do i have to say i am town

[dakky21]

when i made the origonal post you quoted above i had forgotten from reading the posts that the mafia get to kill at night 1 person if they get the equal vote, after i made that post someone i forget who mentions that mafia gets a night kill every night. your digging at nothing dakky as ive said from the get go im town im town im town how many more times do i have to say i am town

You can say it 10000 more times but I still don't trust you.
Make a case on someone else and we might start working together.

[dakky21]

EBWOP
@ Tim ... degaston for example.

[degaston]

I just noticed something early in the thread:

All roles should now be out.

Note: Since I don't want this to be used as an advantage in the game. All town roles are in Blue, third party of any kind in orange and mafia in Red.

and:

Streaker-The Mule-[-color=#FF4000]SK/One-shot recruiter[/color] has been killed.

That's an orange color code, so streaker was definitely third party - not mafia.

[TimWoodbury]

You can say it 10000 more times but I still don't trust you.
Make a case on someone else and we might start working together.

you want me to make a case against someone okay so i jsut went through checked to see whos posted since the start of the new day obviously were only roughly 1 day into the new day but this is what im thinking

Deg seems to be very for me staying alive so im reading him as Town
aage more or less steered the convo that started pointing fingers to me so im thinking hes mafia
hotshot and mitch have posted very very minamul (if i counted correctly hotshot once and mitch twice) hotshot was preaty quiet as well in day 1 hes playing under the radar dpse anyone whos played with him in the past know if he goes under the radar as mafia and or town??
dakky you have also been pushing me alot, you claim you used a redirect on streaker to kill mets how did you know that streaker had kill power or any power?
im reading aage and dakky as mafia not because they have voted to lynch me but because of who they steered the convo towards me instead of mitch.

im thinking it odd that when mitch was jsut 1 vote aay from being lynched dakky suddenly swapped sides and decided nah id rather go another route so maybe daky mitch and aage are mafia?

[degaston]

EBWOP
@ Tim ... degaston for example.

Why don't you try making your own cases instead of trying to manipulate a noob?

And while you're at it, maybe you could try to explain how you missed the start of page three, where many people, including yourself, were welcoming Tim to his first mafia game...

Welcome Tim.... and btw, hello Mitch.... vote madmitch

and yet somehow you think that it's valid to say:

you're playing this game too newbish, like you never played mafia (and you said you understand how it works), and "try to stay alive" is your motto
Look, I'm starting to believe you, but still something doesn't fit in.

I think you're realizing that an attack on Tim isn't going to go anywhere, so you're trying to ease out of it and get him to start something against me that you can join in on.

I think this is all scummy as hell.
Unvote
Vote dakky

[degaston]

Fp'd by Tim.

I was kind of thinking the same thing.

[HotShot53]

You can say it 10000 more times but I still don't trust you.
Make a case on someone else and we might start working together.

you want me to make a case against someone okay so i jsut went through checked to see whos posted since the start of the new day obviously were only roughly 1 day into the new day but this is what im thinking

Deg seems to be very for me staying alive so im reading him as Town
aage more or less steered the convo that started pointing fingers to me so im thinking hes mafia
hotshot and mitch have posted very very minamul (if i counted correctly hotshot once and mitch twice) hotshot was preaty quiet as well in day 1 hes playing under the radar dpse anyone whos played with him in the past know if he goes under the radar as mafia and or town??
dakky you have also been pushing me alot, you claim you used a redirect on streaker to kill mets how did you know that streaker had kill power or any power?
im reading aage and dakky as mafia not because they have voted to lynch me but because of who they steered the convo towards me instead of mitch.

im thinking it odd that when mitch was jsut 1 vote aay from being lynched dakky suddenly swapped sides and decided nah id rather go another route so maybe daky mitch and aage are mafia?

Your reasoning makes more sense than any other cases I've seen so far today... I really don't like how dakky has been pushing on tim, as tim has said all along he had a one shot protect, and since today a one shot kill. Sounds like a JOAT type role to me, nothing that weird about it since they are only 1 shot abilities. And even if streaker also shot the cop, doesn't mean tim couldn't have also... there was really no reason for tim to claim he did unless he actually did, no matter if he was town or scum. So I think tim's telling the truth, and dakky is making up a weird case on him.

Aage saying he was good with the lynch day 1, and mitch hammering in the next post combined with the rest would make them possible buddies also. Aage also has made the non-case on tim, which he should be smarter than that.

So I will also vote Dakky

[aage]

Sounds like a JOAT type role to me

Thanks, I was voting Tim to try and get that acronym out of his own mouth. I would've believed him if he had claimed JOAT by himself.


What is incorrect about Dakky's case against Tim? Currently I'm not seeing the holes, and I refuse to explain scumminess away with "he's new", we already have Mitch for that to some extent.

[aage]

Aage saying he was good with the lynch day 1, and mitch hammering in the next post combined with the rest would make them possible buddies also. Aage also has made the non-case on tim, which he should be smarter than that.

Concerning this. I recall saying I supported the lynch even though I voted early. I don't recall posting "HAMMER TIME BOIZZZ!!1!1!11one!!!" For what it's worth, I didn't intend to lure an early hammer. Drawing that connection between me and Mitch is fairly ludicrous. Knowing him, he would've hammered regardless.

[aage]

Also, @ "non-case". Upon recap these are the charges.

- why did he claim "protective role" if he's a JOAT? JOAT isn't protective. In his claim he referred to one aspect of the most versatile role in the game. Next day this claim evolved to one-shot, then extended to one-shot kill.
- why would he be trigger happy on Mets if he only had one shot? He literally said he solely based it off of Wing's suspicion, which is worthless. (no offence Wing)
- why is he so content to change his reads and vote on a whim? For instance, during day 1 he and Mitch were best buds, now he's voting Mitch with aim to lynch.
- why are all his reads based around himself? He reads Deg town because Deg wants him to stay alive. He reads Dakky and me scum because we're voting him.


This isn't a non-case. You're not seeing the points because you're explaining everything away with "he's new".


Lastly, to avoid more doubleposting. Dakky, how about using your ability to make people self-target?

[degaston]

Also, @ "non-case". Upon recap these are the charges.

- why did he claim "protective role" if he's a JOAT? JOAT isn't protective. In his claim he referred to one aspect of the most versatile role in the game. Next day this claim evolved to one-shot, then extended to one-shot kill.
- why would he be trigger happy on Mets if he only had one shot? He literally said he solely based it off of Wing's suspicion, which is worthless. (no offence Wing)
- why is he so content to change his reads and vote on a whim? For instance, during day 1 he and Mitch were best buds, now he's voting Mitch with aim to lynch.
- why are all his reads based around himself? He reads Deg town because Deg wants him to stay alive. He reads Dakky and me scum because we're voting him.


This isn't a non-case. You're not seeing the points because you're explaining everything away with "he's new".

You may have forgotten how confusing and counterintuitive the "rules" of mafia are, but I haven't. These are exactly the kind of things I would expect a new player to do.

And if he was mafia, why would his teammates have allowed him to kill mets in the first place? And why would he have admitted it? And why didn't they explain his role to him? And who killed streaker?

What he's done may not make a lot of sense to an experienced player. But it makes a lot more sense if he's figuring this out on his own than if he's part of a scum team.

[aage]

He claimed protective on day 1, now he claims multiple abilities. Wouldn't be outside the realm of possibilities that his scumbuddies said, "don't claim doctor, because the real doctor will know you're lying". JOAT is a far less regular role.

Admittedly, Dakky's case assumes that Tim is lying, and works from there. However, one could assume he's telling the truth only by embracing all his contradicting information, inconsistencies and claims as noob mistakes. I initially saw Dakky's case as rickety too, that's why I asked the questions I did. Dakky's responses were logically sound. Tim's response was shaky and self-contradicting.

And no, the rules to mafia don't seem counter-intuitive to me. Town has no reason to lie, town has no reason to trust someone only because they defend you, and town certainly has no reason to claim out of the blue.

[degaston]

So here was dakky's reasoning for switching from Mitch to Tim... right after I pointed out that Mitch needed to full claim.

Dakky you claimming streak could of killed mets last night i can say for a fact he did not do. i had 1 night kill and used it with the fact that wing turned town as he claimed and checked if his theory of mets and hotshot was correct. in hindsight it was a really bad kill on my behalf and it was my only night kill. so now we have to figure out who killed streak

And I can say you're lying, because I know Streaker most probably killed Mets.
Streaker probably did wanted to kill another target, but he shot Mets because I am the Town Alternator, I switched his target to Mets.
Sorry Mets, my fault, it was based on Wing's readings.

Mitch claimed town, and so far he was honest. Of course it doesn't mean anything, but anyway,

unvote, vote Tim

I can't find a description for what a "town alternator" does, but assuming, for the moment, that you are telling the truth about your role, how do you know you weren't blocked? And even if you weren't blocked, but all you did was switch another target to Mets, that doesn't sound like it would prevent someone who actually targeted Mets from having an effect. And even if your action did block Tim, he wouldn't have known it, since Mets still died. That doesn't make his statement a lie. And why would he claim that he killed Mets if he had targeted someone else, or no one at all?

What, exactly, was Mitch honest about... other than being an idiot? (nothing personal, Mitch ) I find your timing to be very suspicious, and your reasoning, nonexistent.

And aage, a noob townie has every reason to claim out of the blue if no one has told them that they shouldn't. They know they're telling the truth, and have nothing to hide.

[degaston]

Sounds like a JOAT type role to me

Thanks, I was voting Tim to try and get that acronym out of his own mouth. I would've believed him if he had claimed JOAT by himself.

If strike didn't tell him that he was a JOAT, was he supposed to come up with that term himself? I wouldn't have. And if he only has two abilities, that doesn't really fit the definition of JOAT that I found.

Your expectations for what a new player should know are completely unrealistic.

[madmitch]

[quote="aage"]He claimed protective on day 1, now he claims multiple abilities. Wouldn't be outside the realm of possibilities that his scumbuddies said, "don't claim doctor, because the real doctor will know you're lying". JOAT is a far less regular role.
I Know he's lying. I used my role to protect him on N1 because I felt sorry for him,no more vote tim

[degaston]

I Know he's lying. I used my role to protect him on N1 because I felt sorry for him,no more vote tim

That statement makes no sense. How would you protecting him make any difference in what has been discussed?

And what a surprise to see Mitch jump on the bandwagon with the other two scummiest players.

The townies that are left out there need to decide which side they're going to stand on. Somebody else needs to speak up.

[dakky21]

Unofficial vote count:
tim (3): mitch, aage, dakky
dakky (2): hotshot, degaston
mitch (1): dazza

Let's put it this way: if Tim flips mafia, degaston & hotshot are mafia also.
If Tim flips town, mitch & aage are probably mafia and I did a wrong read on Tim.
Dazza vote on mitch without any reasoning still stands since the beginning of D2.
Endgame & epi didn't vote for anyone yet D2, and they both targeted town D1.

[aage]

Sounds like a JOAT type role to me

Thanks, I was voting Tim to try and get that acronym out of his own mouth. I would've believed him if he had claimed JOAT by himself.

If strike didn't tell him that he was a JOAT, was he supposed to come up with that term himself? I wouldn't have. And if he only has two abilities, that doesn't really fit the definition of JOAT that I found.

Your expectations for what a new player should know are completely unrealistic.

You have my expectations the wrong way round. I didn't expect him to come up with it on his own. If he is joat, it is in his role pm. If he is lying, he wouldn't have claimed it. Seemed like a good test to me.


Dakky, why are you exempted if Tim is town?

[dakky21]

Dakky, why are you exempted if Tim is town?

Because if I am town, I can't be mafia? Never heared of a role which can be both at a same time.

[Endgame422]

Mitch now claims doc.
So dakky is alternator and switched streakers target to mets.
Mitch is doc and protected tim.
Tim is 1 shot vig/1 shot doc and shot mets.
These 3 are the only ones with votes on them right.
It seems possible that all 3 of them are town and scum is just watching us tear the town apart.
The other person im a bit suspicious of is dazza,he seems to be doing exactly what i just suggested.
Dazza was the most likely scum to want streaker dead.
Also his absense followed by agressively defending himself doesnt seem like the way town would react when you know you havent posted in like 5 days.
VOTE DAZZA
Fp by dakky misunderstanding aage lol

[Endgame422]

Where do you stand epi?
I see you browsing

[dakky21]

The other person im a bit suspicious of is dazza,he seems to be doing exactly what i just suggested.
Dazza was the most likely scum to want streaker dead.
Also his absense followed by agressively defending himself doesnt seem like the way town would react when you know you havent posted in like 5 days.

In your Silver bullet mafia Dazza was also inactive, but eventually flipped town. So his inactivity doesn't need to mean anything, and you should know that.
Voting Dazza only points us in the other direction.

[madmitch]

after rereading the post I now think Tim is town (cpr doc) which would explain somethings,he also unvoted wcg and claimed town many times.wcg was wrong on mets but what about hotshot?he also thought dakky and tim were town,epi thinks tim is town, i think i will go back to my first vote unvote vote dazz

[dakky21]

Mitch, you're changing votes like socks.
If dazza flips town we won't have anything to go after because he didn't contribute anything. Don't see the purpose of lynching inactive player, unless you know he is town.