Foundation Mafia [6/12] Endgame: Second Foundation Wins.

[TimWoodbury]

since im gonna die anyays how much more plain can i say this

http://prntscr.com/88w338

You said you know you cant quote the mail message, but you instead put a screenshot of it.

I now believe you are town, but if that picture is original, you deserve at least a warning, if not modkill. You already edited one of your posts and I warned you about it. I kept silent because it was an edit of a single letter, but those who don't read the rules are breaking the rules, and this screenshot was too much. I don't care if I win or not, but you're taking the game a level down. Vote stays. Hopefully you don't get modkilled.

im gonna die either way so if i mod kill so be it if im lynched so be it... only way to show what i said was truth was to show it as even jsut saying what it was wasnt enough for aage so oh well like i said its whatever

The whole point of mafia is to convince people you are who you say you are, without any "proof" of any kind. If it was a real-life game of mafia, there is no role PM's or other stuff you can quote, all you get is your role, and you can't show people the piece of paper it's on... so if that is a real screen shot, that is definitely breaking the rules. People aren't always going to believe you, even if you are town... scum knows you are telling the truth, but they want to lynch you anyway, and town never knows for sure, so some of them might lynch you too. You can't take it personally, it's all a game, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

Unfortunately, you have now put us in the position of "if that is a real screenshot, mod should kill him... if he doesn't get mod killed, then we know he's lying and should be lynched".

your correct i think i took the game to personall today, got to the point where i was just to annoyed at the fact that no matter how much i told the truth i was igging myself deeper it is a true screen shot so im jsut gonna resign fom the game. this is my last post here

[TimWoodbury]

Dakky you claimming streak could of killed mets last night i can say for a fact he did not do. i had 1 night kill and used it with the fact that wing turned town as he claimed and checked if his theory of mets and hotshot was correct. in hindsight it was a really bad kill on my behalf and it was my only night kill. so now we have to figure out who killed streak

And I can say you're lying, because I know Streaker most probably killed Mets.
Streaker probably did wanted to kill another target, but he shot Mets because I am the Town Alternator, I switched his target to Mets.
Sorry Mets, my fault, it was based on Wing's readings.

Mitch claimed town, and so far he was honest. Of course it doesn't mean anything, but anyway,

unvote, vote Tim

this will actually be the last post from me

i know or at least think i asked dakky this earliear but everyone seemed to have ignored it and never answered (go figure seems like it was agreement fom the get go tim was gonna die today)


but if you used a role to switch streakers target to mets how did you know that streaker had any sort of ability(im asusmeing you was hopeing mets would die) let alone be able to kill?? guys think of it dakky ignored this all along and basically said it dont matter... he is mafia sku yah im dead today but someone needs to kill dakky and possably aage
but dakky

[strike wolf]

That's a modkill. I am on my phone right now so can't post more than that. You can continue posting for the town being but no voting

[dakky21]

this will actually be the last post from me

i know or at least think i asked dakky this earliear but everyone seemed to have ignored it and never answered (go figure seems like it was agreement fom the get go tim was gonna die today)


but if you used a role to switch streakers target to mets how did you know that streaker had any sort of ability(im asusmeing you was hopeing mets would die) let alone be able to kill?? guys think of it dakky ignored this all along and basically said it dont matter... he is mafia sku yah im dead today but someone needs to kill dakky and possably aage
but dakky

In that post I didn't see a question!

Now you ask a question. Question ends with question mark = " ? " .

I didn't know Streaker was mafia or 3rd party, I just thought he is because there were a lot of posts and he didn't say anything.

You are desperate now, I get it, and I still think you are town, but I believe there is enough evidence now to kill mafia even if you flip town.

fp'ed by wolf... too bad that happened.

[Marashu]

Aww. Looks like Team Newlywed won't be going on to D3. Oh well, have fun all!

[dakky21]

That's a modkill. I am on my phone right now so can't post more than that. You can continue posting for the town being but no voting

So he said the truth.
This is getting harder by the seconds as we speak if I want to get those 3500 credits...

[HotShot53]

In re-reading that exchange between dakky and tim... I'm actually starting to believe dakky more. If he knew he redirected streaker towards mets, he very well could have thought tim was lying, although it is very possible they were both telling the truth. That kind of role could be either scum or town, but scum probably wouldn't have let it known the role was in the game. So if he has the ability, I'm guessing he is town. So I will unvote

I don't like how aage has been playing so far... he encouraged the wing bandwagon day 1, and then joined the tim wagon today with what I felt was a very weak argument that didn't make sense. I really expect better cases from aage. Mitch could still be his scum buddy. Right now I'm not seeing any better cases on anyone though, so I will vote aage

[strike wolf]

Timwoodbury-First Foundationer-Town JOAT has been modkilled.

Precedent for this case seems to be that day continues. I will let you all decide if you would rather just go to night but for now day continues as normal.

[strike wolf]

FURTHERMORE! Important rule clarification:

All attempts at making a role appear as being quoted from the mod in any form even as fakes will result in Modkill.

[dakky21]

I don't like how aage has been playing so far... he encouraged the wing bandwagon day 1, and then joined the tim wagon today with what I felt was a very weak argument that didn't make sense. I really expect better cases from aage. Mitch could still be his scum buddy. Right now I'm not seeing any better cases on anyone though, so I will vote aage

So Tim was saying the truth after all. I started to believe him as he really tried to prove himself as town.
Since votes are reset,

I will vote Epi as he was the most silent last 2 (IRL) days. He didn't say anything, and he was replying in the forums.

vote Epi

[aage]

First Foundationer apparently applies to power roles, not just VTs, that's interesting. But seriously Tim, don't ever post your role pm, a picture of your role pm, or anything other than the role you were given and the name of your character. Having a townie modkilled doesn't help town in any way, and it's really bad form even in cases where it does benefit town.
At least we have another shot at a scum lynch I guess.

In light of Tim flipping town after Endgame put him at L-1 with his normal+secret vote I think we shouldn't discount the possibility that Endgame is opportunistic scum trying to get a quick mislynch on Tim. Putting him at L-1 with Mitch not voting is sketch. Not enough for a case though, which is actually true for most of the players in here. Either my scumdar is broken or there isn't enough material to work with. Not feeling very tempted to vote Madmitch now either, since he claimed doc iirc. Dakky, you said there was now enough evidence to lynch mafia. Why then do you resort to voting an inactive?

Hotshot, I deserve that vote I guess. Maybe I did go a bit too hard on a new player, but you admit yourself that Dakky's case made sense. Why does it then not make sense for me to follow up on it?

I'll need to reread the day to see what we can learn from Tim's wagon. I'm not entirely convinced that there were scum on it at all, it's possible that scum stands at the sideline waiting to accuse the people who lynched the poor JOAT. But as I said, need to reread.

[madmitch]

nice playing with you tim .keeping my vote the same ,didn,t like his vote on epi because he didn't like him .

[dakky21]

With 3 townies down and one 3rd party, I am starting to believe we have a lylo situation.

[degaston]

Having a townie modkilled doesn't help town in any way...

nice playing with you tim...

With 3 townies down and one 3rd party, I am starting to believe we have a lylo situation.

Isn't that nice - the three most responsible for that mess show up to act all concerned.

Nice job, guys - did you have fun badgering the noobie until he cracked? If there were any experienced townies in on that (I suppose there must have been), then they don't deserve to win. Not that there's much chance of that now. If that was all town, and the scum are just standing off to the side laughing at us, then we're probably screwed anyway.

I'm not going to vote now since strike said not to, but I'll have more to say when the time comes.

[dakky21]

I'm not going to vote now since strike said not to, but I'll have more to say when the time comes.

Strike didn't say not to vote in his second post, but to discuss whether the day should continue as normal or go into a night phase right away.
Let's vote for that like we vote for lynching.

vote day continues

[degaston]

Fine - vote day continues.

[aage]

Having a townie modkilled doesn't help town in any way...

nice playing with you tim...

With 3 townies down and one 3rd party, I am starting to believe we have a lylo situation.

Isn't that nice - the three most responsible for that mess show up to act all concerned.

Nice job, guys - did you have fun badgering the noobie until he cracked? If there were any experienced townies in on that (I suppose there must have been), then they don't deserve to win. Not that there's much chance of that now. If that was all town, and the scum are just standing off to the side laughing at us, then we're probably screwed anyway.

I'm not going to vote now since strike said not to, but I'll have more to say when the time comes.

You're misreading. Voicing my views on modkills wasn't concern. I wrote that to let Tim know that being modkilled is a bad "plan", since Tim said he was gonna die anyway. Trying not to foster an environment in which breaking the rules is okay.

And no, badgering a noobie isn't fun. But a case is a case, noobie or no. He decided to break the rules and post his role PM at L-1, that's why he's dead. I nor Dakky/Endgame forced him into that, nor will I take responsibility for him "cracking".

[degaston]

Isn't that nice - the three most responsible for that mess show up to act all concerned.

You're misreading. Voicing my views on modkills wasn't concern.

Yes, it appears that you're not concerned. That was just sarcasm, anyway.

And no, badgering a noobie isn't fun. But a case is a case

There was no case - just some mistakes on Tim's part that you wouldn't consider might be caused by the natural confusion of a first time player. Dakky used some specious logic to say that he lied, and Mitch's "logic" for voting for him was even more ridiculous.

[madmitch]

Isn't that nice - the three most responsible for that mess show up to act all concerned.

You're misreading. Voicing my views on modkills wasn't concern.

Yes, it appears that you're not concerned. That was just sarcasm, anyway.

And no, badgering a noobie isn't fun. But a case is a case

There was no case - just some mistakes on Tim's part that you wouldn't consider might be caused by the natural confusion of a first time player. Dakky used some specious logic to say that he lied, and Mitch's "logic" for voting for him was even more ridiculous.

@DEG when he hinted that he was a doctor that,s when I voted for but I changed my mine with more info

[Epitaph1]

Where do you stand epi?
I see you browsing

i'm still 2 pages back getting caught up (although I did see Tim has been modkilled). Aage has to be scum. I don't know how anyone was getting a scum read on TIm--his play screamed new townie. Unpressured claims, not understanding his role, etc. Aage has played this enough to know that. Now we know for sure that Tim was town.

I'll hold off on my vote until I'm full caught up, but for now: FOS Aage.

[HotShot53]

Hotshot, I deserve that vote I guess. Maybe I did go a bit too hard on a new player, but you admit yourself that Dakky's case made sense. Why does it then not make sense for me to follow up on it?

The case only made sense from dakky's perspective, if he knew for sure he had directed a SK onto someone who died, he could assume that's what caused the death and thought tim was lying. You though wouldn't know which of them was telling the truth, and completely ignored the possibility that both of them might have been. As epi said, his play should have been obviously new townie, and to me you just seemed to be trying to get an easy lynch.

Since my previous vote somehow wasn't red, I will repeat it to be sure and vote aage

I'm not going to vote now since strike said not to, but I'll have more to say when the time comes.

I thought he was just telling tim to not vote anymore... but I guess that could have meant everyone. In any case, he's now said the day should continue as normal unless everyone wants it to go straight to night (which we don't), so I assume that means voting is open again anyway.

[dazza2008]

nice playing with you tim .keeping my vote the same ,didn,t like his vote on epi because he didn't like him .

That was a joke at the start of the game. I like Epi he is in my clan and i talk to him most days on whatsapp.

If i can't joke in the joke voting stage I might as well fucking give up.

[aage]

The case only made sense from dakky's perspective, if he knew for sure he had directed a SK onto someone who died, he could assume that's what caused the death and thought tim was lying. You though wouldn't know which of them was telling the truth, and completely ignored the possibility that both of them might have been. As epi said, his play should have been obviously new townie, and to me you just seemed to be trying to get an easy lynch.

I didn't ignore shit. Go back to the page, and you'll see I considered all these things before committing. After Dakky explained his take on Tim's play, I believed his theory had merit and wanted a claim, specifically a JOAT claim since that what I was smelling too. That's why I voted.

i'm still 2 pages back getting caught up (although I did see Tim has been modkilled). Aage has to be scum. I don't know how anyone was getting a scum read on TIm--his play screamed new townie. Unpressured claims, not understanding his role, etc. Aage has played this enough to know that. Now we know for sure that Tim was town.

I'll hold off on my vote until I'm full caught up, but for now: FOS Aage.

Easy for you to say Tim's play screamed townie now that he flipped without you being involved or saying anything on the matter. Anyone is capable of reading their role PM and explaining in the topic what it's called and what it does. Tim's handling of his claim was scummy, and him flipping town doesn't change that.

[dazza2008]

I think a townie being modkilled is more of a reason to lynch than not to lynch. We have to get scum. I am most suspicious of hotshot. He seems to not be reading everything and trying to make anyone he can look scummy.

Vote hotshot

[Endgame422]

Vote day continues.
I put the votes on tim because he claimed the same name as wing AND failed to read his role PM which looked an awful lot like newbie scum trying to peice a claim together.
Im going to Vote HotShot
He pushed towards the tim lynch but was unwilling to vote.

So you are claiming the same name as Wing? Yeah, that is a little hard to believe... although I guess technically there could be more than one "First Foundationer" since it's not an actual name? Or is it referring to a specific person which would make Tim scum? (It's been tooooo long since I read a Foundation book, I don't really remember much of the flavor...)

This post jumps out at me as leading towards a tim lynch while trying to stay off the actual vote on tim to give him some cover tomorrow.
Extra vote stays with me until i know dealine info.