Tarzanchuck and Chaka [No crime]

Gustaf Wasa · Post by **Gustaf Wasa** » Tue May 22, 2007 8:38 pm

These two deadbeat as a tactic in game after game

Suspect users: Tarzanchuck and Chaka

Game numbers:
432635
432636
432637
432639
446248

Comments: They always make their games doubles, freestyle, no cards. Freestyle so that their double deadbeating won't hold up the game as long, and no cards so that those who actually make moves won't get any advantage.

Also look at their negative feedback: when people warn about their deadbeating, they are insulting and arrogant.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:03 pm

2007-05-17 19:17:28 - Tarzanchuck deployed 4 armies on West Ward 1
2007-05-17 19:17:32 - Chaka attacked East Ward 1 from West Ward 1 and conquered it from deadmanwlkin

Can you log out, log back in on a different account, and attack a specific territory at the bottom of a list of many territories?

Didn't think so.

Gustaf Wasa · Post by **Gustaf Wasa** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:36 pm

pancakemix wrote:Can you log out, log back in on a different account, and attack a specific territory at the bottom of a list of many territories?

Didn't think so.

Read again; nowhere in my post did I suggest that they were the same user.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:41 pm

Then quit complaining. Yeah, it sucks. Get over it.

Gustaf Wasa · Post by **Gustaf Wasa** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:47 pm

Sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.

"complaining" "get over it" You are what, thirteen? This is the Cheating and Abuse forum. Unless you have something to contribute - get over it.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:50 pm

Gustaf Wasa wrote:Sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.

"complaining" "get over it" You are what, thirteen? This is the Cheating and Abuse forum. Unless you have something to contribute - get over it.

Fourteen. And that's basically what a mod will tell you. If it doesn't violate either of the two rules under the rules tab, get over it.

Gustaf Wasa · Post by **Gustaf Wasa** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:54 pm

Oh my. Pancakemix, you have 3153 posts in a game forum, so I realize you have no life. I understand that it doesn't occur to you that not everything is your business to comment on in the forum you have made your social home. But still, unless you have something to contribute - which you don't - "get over it," to use language you can understand. You are not a mod, and this thread isn't about you. Go get some fresh air or something.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:56 pm

Gustaf Wasa wrote:Oh my. Pancakemix, you have 3153 posts in a game forum, so I realize you have no life. I understand that it doesn't occur to you that not everything is your business to comment on in the forum you have made your social home. But still, unless you have something to contribute - which you don't - "get over it," to use language you can understand. You are not a mod, and this thread isn't about you. Go get some fresh air or something.

Get fresh air at 11:00 at night? And what do you want the mods to do? Beat them with sticks?

Gustaf Wasa · Post by **Gustaf Wasa** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:06 pm

LOL Oh my ... I could have bet a hundred bucks you would reply. This really is all you do, right?

Your first post showed that you didn't even understand what the thread was about, even though the thread starter was brief and to the point. That tells me that your 3,000+ posts here are less about having something to actually say, and more about living out your life on the internet.

Which tells me you are the kind of guy who, lacking anything else to do, will always struggle to get the last word in a thread, right? So go on dear, write something clever. Why not yet again copy and paste something you have already said in other threads a hundred times over.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:56 pm

pancakemix wrote:
Gustaf Wasa wrote:Oh my. Pancakemix, you have 3153 posts in a game forum, so I realize you have no life. I understand that it doesn't occur to you that not everything is your business to comment on in the forum you have made your social home. But still, unless you have something to contribute - which you don't - "get over it," to use language you can understand. You are not a mod, and this thread isn't about you. Go get some fresh air or something.
Get fresh air at 11:00 at night? And what do you want the mods to do? Beat them with sticks?

I'll just push the quote button instead.

One thing I do say a lot is GFY, but I'll keep the flaming to a minimum.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:01 pm

Hmm...guys...flame forums

As for the report...Pancake is right. It's not against the 2 rules:

1) NO MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS

2) NO SECRET ALIANCES

So therefor you ahve very few chances of this beeing legit.

Yes, deadbeating as a tactic is a cheap tactic, feel free to add them to your ignore list and leave negative feedback if you wish.

There is many ways placed on the table right now to stop it, people and lackattack are thinking of a solution right now. So, no need of this report.

john1099 · Post by **john1099** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:03 pm

dude, they're on the same team
Give it a rest
some partners like to move with one another, so that they can read/ react to their partners moves, in real time!
So, don't go accusing people without any proof!

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Fri May 25, 2007 8:33 pm

As far as I can tell, no crime has been committed here.

But pancakemix- it is possible for one person to play on two accounts within 4 seconds of each other. Not as likely, but its possible. The best evidence against multis is turns that happen at the exact same second, or repeated instances where they are 1-2 seconds apart.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Fri May 25, 2007 11:13 pm

sully800 wrote:As far as I can tell, no crime has been committed here.

But pancakemix- it is possible for one person to play on two accounts within 4 seconds of each other. Not as likely, but its possible. The best evidence against multis is turns that happen at the exact same second, or repeated instances where they are 1-2 seconds apart.

Those people would either need 2 computers or a really fast connection.

Iliad · Post by **Iliad** » Sat May 26, 2007 1:52 am

Gustaf I think you didn't join the forums in the best way

nagasakinightrdr · Post by **nagasakinightrdr** » Sat May 26, 2007 6:02 pm

yo pancake mix, your right and all, but you dont have to be nasty about it...

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Sun May 27, 2007 11:24 pm

pancakemix wrote:
sully800 wrote:As far as I can tell, no crime has been committed here.

But pancakemix- it is possible for one person to play on two accounts within 4 seconds of each other. Not as likely, but its possible. The best evidence against multis is turns that happen at the exact same second, or repeated instances where they are 1-2 seconds apart.
Those people would either need 2 computers or a really fast connection.

Or two browsers.

Chaka · Post by **Chaka** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:37 pm

HI EVERYBODY!

This is getting really, really annoying. I appreciate all those who said it's not a big deal.

John1099 said :

dude, they're on the same team
Give it a rest
some partners like to move with one another, so that they can read/ react to their partners moves, in real time!
So, don't go accusing people without any proof!

Amazing. After all this time, someone who is senseable.

This is the exact scenario. (btw, those who think we're multis, the mods just have to check out i.p's and know we're in two different countries) We both are very busy people. Some nights Tarzan doesn't get on and I decide to wait until morning to take turns with him, but then I'm busy in the morning, he waits for me, eventually we meet up the next evening, and we've missed a round. The other day I went camping, come back, and I have something like 4+ games where everyone is planning on teaming up on Tarzan and I because we're clearly 'cheating'.

I've said this in several games, and replay usually the same way to flames on my feedback. Here's a cut and paste:

This is getting out of hand. We're both super busy people, and sometimes we do miss rounds. Sometimes we both miss the same round. Happens. I notice this happens with ALOT of my opponents, but I don't go around to check their entire game history to see how many times this happens and start spreading rumours thru their talkback about this kind of behaviour. The fact that we had one very bitter team that decided to start going around to the games we were playing and telling everyone that this was our MO, now we're getting shit like this left on our talkback. We miss games the same as everyone else does. Fact. If you have a problem with that, don't play in a game with us. Fact is it hurts you more than helps you. I don't know where anyone got the idea that missing a turn actually helps you win a game....

Seriously, who in their right mind thinks that MISSING turns helps? Yeah, you come back with twice that in the next round. But you've left yourself open to attack for two rounds! you lose SO MUCH GROUND when that happens. Tarzan and I used to have much higher scores, but when times get really busy for us (both young hardworking professionals with wives and children) we sometimes miss eachother.

Next time you're searching for games and you see someone with negative feedback, read it, but read the response. If you feel like the player is using unfair tactics, which some people continues to think that we do, then don't play with them. Hell, throw us on the ignore list. But most games it's 1 round, maybe 2, and rarely both of us. Everyone has jumped in the 'Kill Chaka and Tarzan bandwagon from bad feedback in games where I and only I missed 1 turn at the very beginning.

This is getting to be way too long. The point is that everyone misses turns, some more than others. The only reason there's so much attention on us is cause of some bad feedback. If everyone left bad feedback saying their opponents had cheated because they missed a turn, every single one of us would have a bunch of negative feedback. It's a stupid thing to complain about, and avoidable by checking feedback from the beginning.

Sorry this was so long. But it's been really frustrating. We're losing alot more than winning because we miss turns, and then we get burned at the stake for it, and it's getting annoying.

Hopefully this makes sense to some of you.

To the others, please put us on your ignore list and we won't ever have problems with eachother.

Thanks for reading.

Chaka and Tarzan. (well, not really tarzan, but i know he'd back me up).

Peace.

Tarzanchuck · Post by **Tarzanchuck** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:43 pm

chaka, you know I've ALWAYS got your back.

Frankly, we lose more games than we win when we skip turns. The main reason we skip turns is because Chaka and I are good friends and mostly play on here because we like to play the games together at the same time and BS while we're playing.

That being said,

WE CHALLENGE ANY OF YOU SKINNY ASS PUNKS ON THIS WEBSITE TO A MATCH!!!!! I PROMISE WE WILL DESTROY ALL OF YOU PANSY-ASS WIMPS!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW WE PLAY, TELL US IN THE RING!!!

Chaka · Post by **Chaka** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:44 pm

What Tarzan said.