[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[Metsfanmax]

Was Storr asking you in particular for a specific reason?

[Iron Butterfly]

Was Storr asking you in particular for a specific reason?

That's a good question and one I was trying to ask.

Perhaps you should ask as well.

[StorrZerg]

I'm in favor of mass claim. Let's break the game.

[StorrZerg]

I asked ib, because he was likely to respond.

Also, since AladdinSane called me experienced, I'd like to correct him.

I'm godly at mafia.


So white, care to elaborate?

[madmitch]

Go for it, make my day

[StorrZerg]

Actually maybe we should lynch madmitch first.

[Ragian]

Vote Aladdin

Mitch, Storr writes that comment in too many games for it to have any meaning.

The only game I've not see him write it was when he was scum.

And for the godly part. You're not godly when scum. Well, in that one game we played where you were scum.

I don't feel for voting Aladdin at the moment. To me, he seems eager rather than scummy.

@Storr, would you claiming move the game in a positive direction for town or make us focus on just you today?

FP'ed a bunch of times.

[degaston]

I'm in favor of mass claim. Let's break the game.

I have not been a part of one of these before. What makes it a good idea now? And why lynch Mitch first?

[StorrZerg]

I'm in favor of mass claim. Let's break the game.

I have not been a part of one of these before. What makes it a good idea now? And why lynch Mitch first?

Seems overly eager.


Mass claims suck for mafia on cc, because mods generally don't balance for it.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

And for the godly part. You're not godly when scum. Well, in that one game we played where you were scum.

Me and Storr were scum together in a small game once. We didnt even break a sweat.

Storr - you'd probaby break Dakky's heart if we mass claimed. I agree it would likely be beneficial.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I'm in favor of mass claim. Let's break the game.

I have not been a part of one of these before. What makes it a good idea now? And why lynch Mitch first?

Offer a goddamn opinion on something other that Hotshot and IB! You've posted enough yet managed to say sweet FA.

[the white rose]

what incentives/penalties happen with regards to his pr?

Should I understand this question? because I dont

well let me try explain it slowly for you....

aladdin has a pr....that is a post restriction.....you understand that? it means he has to misspell all his posts.

my question is, what happens if he fails to do that? will he be penalised?

if he does misspell, will he be rewarded? and if so how?

do you get that now? if not, sorry, but cannot make it any clearer than that for you

[ptlowe]

Well I can vet Stor's claim on being town because I investigated him last night. BTW since let's kill mafia and win and people are saying its a good idea. I am town cop. Let the claiming begin.

Expect protecting tonight.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Why? Just why?

Cop claims D2 in a 28 player game with the alliance information of one player in a game that definitely has a range of sanities. How do we even know you're a sane cop?

@WhiteRose - Aladdin will likely be modkilled if he fails to include mistakes too many times, thats how it usually works. No incentive other than life.

[ptlowe]

And for the godly part. You're not godly when scum. Well, in that one game we played where you were scum.

Me and Storr were scum together in a small game once. We didnt even break a sweat.

Storr - you'd probaby break Dakky's heart if we mass claimed. I agree it would likely be beneficial.

Because I agreed with your and Stors logic and I'm sure there are protection roles.my pm did not specify sanity

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

my pm did not specify sanity

So you have exactly zero idea what Storr's alliance is. Congrats.

You dont massclaim after only two people have supported the idea of it.

[ptlowe]

Claim away town =)

[Whatsausage]

Well I can vet Stor's claim on being town because I investigated him last night. BTW since let's kill mafia and win and people are saying its a good idea. I am town cop. Let the claiming begin.

Expect protecting tonight.

I agree with wing, this claim doesn't say much of anything at all. For many reasons.
1. Often times, cop checks will only search for mafia or non-mafia. A "town" result could easily be a third party, especially considering how it appears that an asylum could factor in to the setup.
2. A cop already flipped, (albeit insane) and I would argue that it's possible he was the only "cop" in the game, because he surely wasn't told he was insane. If you had claimed and he was still alive, would we be seeing a situation where an attempted counterclaim where both players are telling the truth as they know it? I don't buy it.
3. In a game this size, cop is an easy scum claim, especially early.

Also, I promised myself (I don't know if I actually posted it in any other games) I would lynch an early unprovoked claim like this. Especially one that doesn't benefit town. Your claim is premature at best.
Unvote vote ptlowe

FP'd 3x
So you are trying to direct protection roles?

No, don't claim away. In my opinion, a massclaim at this point is unfeasible. There are 26(!) players left. Are we going to just lynch anyone that doesn't claim? How do we pick if there are multiple? What benefit does it truly serve?

[MrBellyBangBang]

After reading through this thread for hours now I'm ready to make some reads.

I don't like how aggressively Ginkapo went after Aladin and White Rose from the get go. His FOS on Aladin felt especially forced. I don't think he's mafia or if he is he's not been playing his role very well (coming out swinging is not a smart move as mafia as it draws far too much attention to you).
He might be towns vigilante but I think it's more likely that's he's a lyncher. That would explain why he was by far the most opposed to lynching someone who was likely none town, mafia was okay with the lynch as they knew HS wasn't mafia, town was okay with the lynch because HS wasn't town, but a lyncher wouldn't be okay with it unless it was one of his lynchee's, and if Ginkapo is a lyncher he's almost certainly looking to lynch Aladin, maybe a second player as well.
With my read on him as a lyncher I obviously don't think he's an immediate danger to town but I would take everything he says on his early FOS'es with more than just a pinch of salt.

I have never played a mafia game with Mets before so I don't know his meta but he does seem awfully grumpy whenever someone disagrees with him which always gets my attention. He's held a grudge towards IB even though as far as we know IB turned out to be truthfull about HS role. The amount of energy he's put into talking about IB after the lynch does not feel warranted. However, like Mets I also wouldn't write off the possibillity that IB has a night action, but I suspect that if he does he's likely to have a pro town or at least an anti 3rd party night action. I have him as unlikely to be mafia or town hostile 3'rd party which is what we need ot be worried about.

As for Storr, he was very active in the beginning imploring the joking to stop and pushing for a potential vigilante to present himself. Once that discussion died down he has not been leading any discussion, that surprised me, I expected him to continue putting pressure on players but now it seems he's content with just participating. I don't like this quote:

so what if i die. im town idgaf

Just because you're town doesn't mean die doesn't matter. I've never been town in a game and had the attitude of idgaf. No FOS from me for that but certainly a WTF.

Benga in this game is just making the minimum amount of posts to not get replaced or kicked, not impressed by anything he's said or done in this game same thing with Player (although that has RL reasons), TIm (low activity in this game again, why even bother signing up if you're not gonna play?), Catch is also not doing much to contribute, is forced to misspell which might hamper his output a bit but more than it should in my opinion.

IB's credibility went up for me when a) it turned out HS was not a townie and b) No third party night kills were made during N1. To me that indicates there might've been something to the whole HS is dangerous thing he was saying, we can't know for sure that there would've been 3rd party night kills if HS was allowed to live but it's certainly a possibility that killing him day one prevented a serial killer from escaping and killing someone the same night. I like IB so far.

Aladin seems eager to contribute, he's been the most active player so far, coming up with hypothetical scenarios, some of them far fetched and others not so much, all while forced to misspell. Somehow people are fosing and even voting for him now for no good reason, anyone who's in on that bandwagon I'm suspicious of as I don't see enough reasoning behind the wagon, especially not this early. It's okay to let others know that you're suspicious of someone by voting for them but if there already are votes on that person and you pile on yours, even though the day has just started....then you're either a townie not thinking straight or a anti town eager to end the day so town doesn't get to snoop around.

I realize I haven't covered everyone in this post but it's a start.

Just as I'm about to send this in I see that Lowe has claimed cop. Given that we just saw a cop get killed during night I'm naturally suspicious of the claim, makes me wonder whether town really has two cops (one sane one insane? Or two insane? It also makes me wonder why the hell the second cop in that case would out himself volountarily, and also why mafia would try pretend to be cop when we just saw one die. It's a difficult move to read, seems either way it's ill advised, whether he's cop or not. And if he is a cop could we trust his results given that we know insane cops are a thing and he can't know if he's sane or insane.

[ptlowe]

Well I can vet Stor's claim on being town because I investigated him last night. BTW since let's kill mafia and win and people are saying its a good idea. I am town cop. Let the claiming begin.

Expect protecting tonight.

I agree with wing, this claim doesn't say much of anything at all. For many reasons.
1. Often times, cop checks will only search for mafia or non-mafia. A "town" result could easily be a third party, especially considering how it appears that an asylum could factor in to the setup.
2. A cop already flipped, (albeit insane) and I would argue that it's possible he was the only "cop" in the game, because he surely wasn't told he was insane. If you had claimed and he was still alive, would we be seeing a situation where an attempted counterclaim where both players are telling the truth as they know it? I don't buy it.
3. In a game this size, cop is an easy scum claim, especially early.

Also, I promised myself (I don't know if I actually posted it in any other games) I would lynch an early unprovoked claim like this. Especially one that doesn't benefit town. Your claim is premature at best.
Unvote vote ptlowe

FP'd 3x
So you are trying to direct protection roles?

No, don't claim away. In my opinion, a massclaim at this point is unfeasible. There are 26(!) players left. Are we going to just lynch anyone that doesn't claim? How do we pick if there are multiple? What benefit does it truly serve?

So the first mafia player comes to light. Not willing to claim and going after the cop. Anyone else?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I can say this as well. I do not need to be involved with specific lynches. It does not have to happen today or even tommorow but as the game wears on eventually it WILL need to be addressed. All your doing is giving more potential kills or havoc to anti town.

Unvote

I could easily of have sat back and let the odds fall where they may. No sweat off my brow. I am Town with a win condition that goes hand in hand with helping Town.

The only thing I can do now is use my vote, my voice and reminding folks that I have pointed the way to a lynch good for Town.

I come from the school of "lynch all liars". As Town I do not lie or tell half truths to serve my win conditions.

So you either believe I am a liar, who is just a self serving his own interests, which you should lynch for lying.

OR believe I am telling the truth about my simple role.

For now I believe you're telling the truth about your role, because it seems like such a strange claim to be faking. You keep making it sound like you've done all you could do with your role - did you have an N0 action? Or does that go against the PR?

WhatSausage, Read the above. Did Mars know that he was insane? I suspect so by his ease in accepting IB's claim. (Which gives enough credibility to Storr for now)

My opinion extends to PTLowe being an idiot, not to him being mafia. I want that clarified.

[ptlowe]

Hmmm. I think I said that about someone else and you gave me shit for it. Also was your opinion. So remember that next time I call someone an idiot.

[StorrZerg]

good lord guys

We cannot vote while night, correct? So why the rush to debate D1 now. Won't we find out something at the end of the night?

so what if i die. im town idgaf

was a direct response to player for not wanting to talk.


@wing, mars did not know he was insane. Thats the deal with rolling insane cop, you don't know you are insane...

wtf now im sure to die rip why would you investigate me ZZZZZZZzZZzzZz

[StorrZerg]

wait what was your n0 check?

[StorrZerg]

WELP MIGHT AS WELL MASS CLAIM BOYS