[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

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Ugh, this game is looking worse and worse.

So 8 ball assumed uselessly random or insane, Benga likely confirmed as technically useful, but can't distinguish scum from survivor. (Can any other person with a claimed investigation corroborate that there is no distinguishing between non-town factions?)

[Iron Butterfly]

IB, why do you think the 8-ball gave you incorrect results, given that you claim to have asked the mod and got confirmation that it gives correct results?

I have asked Streaker for a list of all possible results I could have received. I assumed it would be Town or Mafia. My fist thought was that the magic 8 ball acted as in real life in that no matter the question the results are.I was assured the results are not random.

1) The 8 Ball said Town because as a survivor he could have won as Town,Mafia or whatever party is left standing. One could make the argument that both Benga and I were not wrong. Something I had already theorized.

2) Mitch. Mitch has acknowledged that he sent me the 8 ball so it is not like I made that up.

@ragian. He got the perception I was being ambiguous. I have already explained and answered that.You keep asking, I have answered and I refuse to repeat myself. If you have an issue with what I post repost it.

[degaston]

2) Mitch. Mitch has acknowledged that he sent me the 8 ball so it is not like I made that up.

Well, no...

Since it looks like I am going to die anyway here's the truth, I WAS NEVER A DEPUTY , MAILMAN,or anything else important,where I.B. got that eight ball is beyond me, AS Aladdin surmised I thought the mailman gave him the info on H.S., but it was fun watching you two argue about it. I am a jester and need to be hanged to win, so put that in your pipe and smoke it. PS. everything I said is the truth

But I believe you received it anyway. I received my gun in a package.
It didn't say it was in the mail, but I kind of assumed that. I also assumed that it could have just been from the mods.

[AladdinSane]

1) The 8 Ball said Town because as a survivor he could have won as Town,Mafia or whatever party is left standing. One could make the argument that both Benga and I were not wrong. Something I had already theorized.

2) Mitch. Mitch has acknowledged that he sent me the 8 ball so it is not like I made that up.

1. Desn't that make the 8-borl kind oif useless tho? Whenever it gives a result, we'll wunder wether the target is a just a 3P survivor.

2. Didn't Mitch back down from that? He's contradicted himself so often I wood have to go back and chek everyting he has said. But I don't remember him saying anyfink as cleer-cut as "I sent IB a magic 8-borl". At leest, not before you anounced you had it. I'll chek that tomorow, it's alreddy 3:25am here.

FP'ed Degaston

[AladdinSane]

IB, can you ask the mods if the 8-borl COULD have returned a different result, given Sausage cood win with any faction?

[Iron Butterfly]

I am surprised No one has yet brought up that Hotshot was also an Orange named survivor.

We know for a fact Sausage had powers. He was either Town and got recruited N1,which I doubt. Traditionally If a person is recruited to a cult, which Sausage seemed to imply, cult members no longer have their power as their win condition is their power. Cult must out number the largest faction to win. We also know Sausage lied...So

What we have between those two are survivors who can win with any faction. I have never played where cult ARE survivors. I have played in games where I have the OPTIOn to join a faction AS a survivor as in / HP Love Craft game. There is a difference.

On further thought I suspect Mitch is the reason for the bad read though I am not ruling out that I got the Town read because he was a survivor.

I consider Hotshot as anti Town because I was told as such. I was plainly told Sausage was Town. Both were survivors. Both got anti-town in different ways. Mitch's gift seems to be the descrepency

The whole nature of roles and investigations this game is ambiguous it is not just me.

[degaston]

On further thought I suspect Mitch is the reason for the bad read though I am not ruling out that I got the Town read because he was a survivor.

I consider Hotshot as anti Town because I was told as such. I was plainly told Sausage was Town. Both were survivors. Both got anti-town in different ways. Mitch's gift seems to be the descrepency.

Did you not read my post? Mitch says he did not give you the 8-ball, so why would he have any effect on the results?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

The whole nature of roles and investigations this game is ambiguous it is not just me.

So can we stop playing follow the cop/IB and play old school mafia please. For two days now I have laid a definite mafia out in front of you all and yet we choose to lynch 3rd party to "test" concepts. Its utter BS. Mafia is about reads not about mechanics.

Deg - The fact is that Mitch knew that IB had received a gift from the mailman before IB claimed. Mitch has said a lot of rubbish, but that is the only thing that cant be made up.

[Iron Butterfly]

Ohh yeah Mitch says he did not give it to me....yeh never mind....he must be telling the truth this time. He posted about the mailman visiting me. It must have been a lucky guess then on his part.

[Iron Butterfly]

On further thought I suspect Mitch is the reason for the bad read though I am not ruling out that I got the Town read because he was a survivor.

I consider Hotshot as anti Town because I was told as such. I was plainly told Sausage was Town. Both were survivors. Both got anti-town in different ways. Mitch's gift seems to be the descrepency.

Did you not read my post? Mitch says he did not give you the 8-ball, so why would he have any effect on the results?

Deg you and Mitch need to get those awful sigs gone...I thought your were mets.

[AladdinSane]

Did you not read my post? Mitch says he did not give you the 8-ball, so why would he have any effect on the results?

Yeah, the problem with that is "Mitch says..."

He said so many contradictry tings, it's hard to no wot to beleeve. I'm inklined to pretty mutch disregard evryting, or ormost evryting, he sed.

FP'ed Wing and IB. Okay, I'm going to go back rit e now and dig up the Mitch quote to IB about sending sumting. We need to cleer dis up

[degaston]

On further thought I suspect Mitch is the reason for the bad read though I am not ruling out that I got the Town read because he was a survivor.

I consider Hotshot as anti Town because I was told as such. I was plainly told Sausage was Town. Both were survivors. Both got anti-town in different ways. Mitch's gift seems to be the descrepency.

Did you not read my post? Mitch says he did not give you the 8-ball, so why would he have any effect on the results?

Deg you and Mitch need to get those awful sigs gone...I thought your were mets.

I requested that it be changed as soon as I saw it. I don't know why someone would think that was a good color to use. Typical decision making around here?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Ohh yeah Mitch says he did not give it to me....yeh never mind....he must be telling the truth this time. He posted about the mailman visiting me. It must have been a lucky guess then on his part.

Jester is unlikely to be giving out magic 8 balls. So what is Mitch? He seems to be begging to be lynched, would mafia really do that? Even Mitch? I dont get him.

p24

Well it looks like I.B. might have got his message from the mailman, I wonder how many new messages went out ? and who the mailman is? The orchard is right for a fruit vendor and I wonder what that will cost ? This day is already being a nice cheerful and informative day .

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I do not find it a coincidence that I am an insane asylum guard who needed to stop an escaped inmate and then we find an Insane Cop night killed.

Anyone see a theme here?

Explain this comment please IB.

[AladdinSane]

Sorry, I'll look up that Mitch quote tomorrow. It's after 4am

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Sorry, I'll look up that Mitch quote tomorrow. It's after 4am

For future reference, Streaker has helpfully posted links to the day/night scenes in the first post.

[degaston]

I read Mitch's statement about the mail as being vague enough that he could have made it up after seeing in the D2 scene that a mailman came to town. Yes, he picked out IB, but he did not mention me. Maybe it was a coincidence. Maybe he thought IB would get more information about the asylum. Maybe he was the mailman, but then why lie about it now that he's already wounded? Assuming he is a jester, then he wanted to be lynched anyway, so it wouldn't matter if he was caught in a lie. From what I've seen, this is just the way Mitch plays.

Regardless of where it came from, it seems possible to me that "No magic 8 ball is right." means that whatever is says is not true. So "Town" could mean 3P or scum, and a scum result could mean 3P or town.

[Falkomagno]

sincw the beginning the whole 8 ball issue has been nothing more than noise. To me it sounded like a blatant lie or a useless device. What is the point to ask to a ball for alignment if the result is random? i can ask my dog the same thing.

[StorrZerg]

Cool rag on an 8 ball. How about a substance comment now falk?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Cool rag on an 8 ball. How about a substance comment now falk?

How do we know Deg shot Mitch?
How do we know that IB actually got a present and didnt just claim that non-mafia was town?

Why did IB not get concerned that a shared character trait "insane" was town alignment seeing as he is supposed to be guarding the "insane"? If IB understood that "insane" referred to sanity did he make that odd comment posted above on p25?

If the mailman is not Mitch, and did not send gifts to Deg and IB, please claim! There is a distinct possibility of a trio of liers here. Though I may have overthought as well.

[StorrZerg]

No idea why you quoted me to make that awful paranoid post.

Who seriously gives a shit about that fluff. Let's find mafia

[Iron Butterfly]

I do not find it a coincidence that I am an insane asylum guard who needed to stop an escaped inmate and then we find an Insane Cop night killed.

Anyone see a theme here?

Explain this comment please IB.

Simple really.

1) I am an insane asylum guard.I had to catch an..

2) Delusional inmate.AND night one

3)An insane cop turns up dead....that was the lead up...but now we also have...

4)Madmitch acting funky....

[Iron Butterfly]

not to mention other cops who we really cant trust investigation wise. So yeh....ya see a theme now???

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

not to mention other cops who we really cant trust investigation wise. So yeh....ya see a theme now???

Yeah a broad range of sanities in powers. I still dont see where you fit into that.

Storr could be right, I might just be paranoid.

[degaston]

How do we know Deg shot Mitch?

I think you could figure that out if you were reading / trying.

No point in lynching Mitch now. I wounded him (to save my kill as a threat for sausage, like you wanted), so I assume he'll be dead tomorrow. Turns out it was just a one-shot weapon.

A: You wait until tomorrow morning and see if Mitch turns up dead.

You do seem to be trying to create a lot of pointless distractions, though.