If this isn't pay-to-win business logic, what is it?

Butters1919 · Post by **Butters1919** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:01 am

It's not just premiums that have better dice than him. Apparently freemiums sometimes do as well: Game 16400066

Swifte · Post by **Swifte** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:13 am

The sooner you stop focusing on the dice, the sooner you can have fun again. They aren't YOUR dice. They're Conquer Club's dice and we all use the same set.

Condestável · Post by **Condestável** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:05 am

BIG_John wrote:It looks like you have a hard time beating saxibot as well! For someone that has a 45% and rank of Seargeant doesn't look like the dice are that bad! Just my opinion though! So nobody is going along with your bs claim and you resort to bashing the people's country? That is real classy! I think you might have been dropped on your head one to many times as a kid. But good luck with the dice!

Again I'm not bashing anything, it's just a fact that North-Americans in general tend to not listen to any rational arguments, they religiously cling to beliefs while insulting whoever questions them. Just like the numbers I posted, it's facts not opinions, and you just did it.

BIG_John · Post by **BIG_John** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:28 pm

Butters1919 wrote:It's not just premiums that have better dice than him. Apparently freemiums sometimes do as well: Game 16400066

Lol! Everyone now has better dice then him! I guess he doesn't realize how stupid he is sounding by dragging this complaining out. Everyone is wrong and everything he says is right. SMH! Maybe one day he will come back to Earth with his thought process.

Post by **IcePack** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:55 pm

Condestável wrote:
BIG_John wrote:It looks like you have a hard time beating saxibot as well! For someone that has a 45% and rank of Seargeant doesn't look like the dice are that bad! Just my opinion though! So nobody is going along with your bs claim and you resort to bashing the people's country? That is real classy! I think you might have been dropped on your head one to many times as a kid. But good luck with the dice!
Again I'm not bashing anything, it's just a fact that North-Americans in general tend to not listen to any rational arguments, they religiously cling to beliefs while insulting whoever questions them. Just like the numbers I posted, it's facts not opinions, and you just did it.

You haven't responded to half the questions / comments that logically address the issue. Until you do so, your whole "theory" (regardless of the numbers you post) is moot. Unless it's only targeting YOU, then that's different. But as a premium vs freemium thing as a whole, it's doubtful.

how come other freemiums don't have the same issue? A freemium was able to make conqueror, how did that do that with subpar dice vs premium? How does this "business model" make any sense, chasing away potential customers? If it's meant to "encourage" people to get premium, shouldn't it be better advertised / well known that going premium makes your dice better?

BIG_John · Post by **BIG_John** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:39 pm

Maybe he should go premium and see if there is a difference.

osok68 · Post by **osok68** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:54 am

i am willing to donate all my invetory to condestavel to see what will happen if he is premium.is this possible?it should be....

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:09 am

osok68 wrote:i am willing to donate all my invetory to condestavel to see what will happen if he is premium.is this possible?it should be....

hmmmm, i can't seem to find my invetory.... where is that located?-Jésus noir

osok68 · Post by **osok68** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:22 am

mine is at the bottom of the personal menu,i got lots of stars ans stuff and my account shows i have 450 credits.I like to donate all...

osok68 · Post by **osok68** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:25 am

ah i understand now.its inveNtory.....english is my second language,brown sugar,i hope you forgive me

BuJaber · Post by **BuJaber** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:12 pm

I wrote a reply a few days ago but website acted weird and it didn't go through, so I didn't rewrite it thinking that everyone else has done a good job replying to you, and you'll have a fresh perspective. Apparently not, so here's my humble attempt.

(Setting aside the "true random" issue; it has no relevance in this context)

We all feel frustrated at the dice sometimes, it's part of our nature, and part of this game. I've actually had people tell me in the past that freemium accounts get better dice to encourage them to play more (the opposite of your theory). The reality is NOTHING matters when it comes to 'fair' dice EXCEPT the TOTAL number of rolls. If you take enough turns you will have roughly the same number of 1's as 2's as 3's etc. (Which you do, looking at your overall dice rolls). (Your overall dice against zazzo shows you being slightly unlucky, but if you played more games with him this will also balance out in the long run).

What does this mean, in a practical sense? Say you have a string of bad rolls, eventually your good rolls will catch up but you might not notice them. This is because it can come in a game where it's too late to make a difference and you've already lost. Or it can come in between medium/bad rolls, for example: you roll your dice it comes 345 opponent's 34, then you roll again 223 opponent's 56, then you roll again 621 opponent's 61. These would be considered pretty even rolls, but you've already had 2 days of bad dice, so where are the good???! Well they might come next: you roll 665 opponent rolls 55, you roll 433 opponent rolls 32. These rolls are much luckier than rolling 666 and beating 11. After a while these would add up and your totals would be balanced again. The player rolling the dice, or the turn being played, or the game being played, or the map being played HAS NO EFFECT ON DICE WHATSOEVER, THE DICE GENERATOR IS THE SAME. All that matters is EVENTUALLY everyone's numbers will balance out and you'll end up with equal 1's, 2's, 3's, 4's, 5's, and 6's.

Being 'lucky' is less about the dice rolls and more about WHEN your good rolls happen. If they keep happening at a late turn in a game you're losing, while the bad rolls come at the beginning of games or when you are winning, then it is unfortunate for you, but it does not mean your dice are worse than anybody else's. The stats don't change based on the situation you're in. If you flip a coin at home on a hot day and then flip it again outside in the cold on a freezing morning there's a 50/50 chance of getting heads in either situation.

Post by **IcePack** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:17 pm

osok68 wrote:mine is at the bottom of the personal menu,i got lots of stars ans stuff and my account shows i have 450 credits.I like to donate all...

The site does not allow for personal transfers at this time. (unknown if thats ever a future option they will impliment)

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:58 pm

IcePack wrote:
osok68 wrote:mine is at the bottom of the personal menu,i got lots of stars ans stuff and my account shows i have 450 credits.I like to donate all...
The site does not allow for personal transfers at this time. (unknown if thats ever a future option they will impliment)

sigh... i think you missed the point of his comment... *whoosh*... the black jesus is so not shocked...-Jésus noir

Post by **IcePack** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:06 pm

owenshooter wrote:
IcePack wrote:
osok68 wrote:mine is at the bottom of the personal menu,i got lots of stars ans stuff and my account shows i have 450 credits.I like to donate all...
The site does not allow for personal transfers at this time. (unknown if thats ever a future option they will impliment)
sigh... i think you missed the point of his comment... *whoosh*... the black jesus is so not shocked...-Jésus noir

Please oh enlightened one, enlighten us all. Clearly the most important part was the spelling error you pointed out earlier...
I was only picking up on the secondary points, since you covered the most important already

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:25 pm

IcePack wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
IcePack wrote:
osok68 wrote:mine is at the bottom of the personal menu,i got lots of stars ans stuff and my account shows i have 450 credits.I like to donate all...
The site does not allow for personal transfers at this time. (unknown if thats ever a future option they will impliment)
sigh... i think you missed the point of his comment... *whoosh*... the black jesus is so not shocked...-Jésus noir
Please oh enlightened one, enlighten us all. Clearly the most important part was the spelling error you pointed out earlier...
I was only picking up on the secondary points, since you covered the most important already

nooooo... the important part was he was jokingly offering whatever his INVETORY was, towards premium for Condestável, to see if his dice improved... there was no legit attempt at a transfer... sigh... sometimes, the jr. mints just break my heart...-Jésus noir

Black Jesus and Ice getting down!!!

Post by **IcePack** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:29 pm

owenshooter wrote:
IcePack wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
IcePack wrote:
osok68 wrote:mine is at the bottom of the personal menu,i got lots of stars ans stuff and my account shows i have 450 credits.I like to donate all...
The site does not allow for personal transfers at this time. (unknown if thats ever a future option they will impliment)
sigh... i think you missed the point of his comment... *whoosh*... the black jesus is so not shocked...-Jésus noir
Please oh enlightened one, enlighten us all. Clearly the most important part was the spelling error you pointed out earlier...
I was only picking up on the secondary points, since you covered the most important already
nooooo... the important part was he was jokingly offering whatever his INVETORY was, towards premium for Condestável, to see if his dice improved... there was no legit attempt at a transfer... sigh... sometimes, the jr. mints just break my heart...-Jésus noir

Black Jesus and Ice getting down!!!

Metsfanmax · Post by **Metsfanmax** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:47 pm

Condestável wrote:
BIG_John wrote:It looks like you have a hard time beating saxibot as well! For someone that has a 45% and rank of Seargeant doesn't look like the dice are that bad! Just my opinion though! So nobody is going along with your bs claim and you resort to bashing the people's country? That is real classy! I think you might have been dropped on your head one to many times as a kid. But good luck with the dice!
Again I'm not bashing anything, it's just a fact that North-Americans in general tend to not listen to any rational arguments, they religiously cling to beliefs while insulting whoever questions them. Just like the numbers I posted, it's facts not opinions, and you just did it.

At least we North-Americans make enough money to pay for a $30 CC membership.

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:26 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
Condestável wrote:
BIG_John wrote:It looks like you have a hard time beating saxibot as well! For someone that has a 45% and rank of Seargeant doesn't look like the dice are that bad! Just my opinion though! So nobody is going along with your bs claim and you resort to bashing the people's country? That is real classy! I think you might have been dropped on your head one to many times as a kid. But good luck with the dice!
Again I'm not bashing anything, it's just a fact that North-Americans in general tend to not listen to any rational arguments, they religiously cling to beliefs while insulting whoever questions them. Just like the numbers I posted, it's facts not opinions, and you just did it.
At least we North-Americans make enough money to pay for a $30 CC membership.

kind of sad that you volunteer and they still make you pay for a membership... maybe your contribution just isn't that valuable to the team.... who knows...

-Jésus noir

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:51 pm

Do you even get a discount?

Metsfanmax · Post by **Metsfanmax** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:23 pm

owenshooter wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Condestável wrote:
BIG_John wrote:It looks like you have a hard time beating saxibot as well! For someone that has a 45% and rank of Seargeant doesn't look like the dice are that bad! Just my opinion though! So nobody is going along with your bs claim and you resort to bashing the people's country? That is real classy! I think you might have been dropped on your head one to many times as a kid. But good luck with the dice!
Again I'm not bashing anything, it's just a fact that North-Americans in general tend to not listen to any rational arguments, they religiously cling to beliefs while insulting whoever questions them. Just like the numbers I posted, it's facts not opinions, and you just did it.
At least we North-Americans make enough money to pay for a $30 CC membership.
kind of sad that you volunteer and they still make you pay for a membership... maybe your contribution just isn't that valuable to the team.... who knows... -Jésus noir

I haven't paid for a CC membership in years because of my volunteering. However, I could afford to if I had to.

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:33 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Condestável wrote:
BIG_John wrote:It looks like you have a hard time beating saxibot as well! For someone that has a 45% and rank of Seargeant doesn't look like the dice are that bad! Just my opinion though! So nobody is going along with your bs claim and you resort to bashing the people's country? That is real classy! I think you might have been dropped on your head one to many times as a kid. But good luck with the dice!
Again I'm not bashing anything, it's just a fact that North-Americans in general tend to not listen to any rational arguments, they religiously cling to beliefs while insulting whoever questions them. Just like the numbers I posted, it's facts not opinions, and you just did it.
At least we North-Americans make enough money to pay for a $30 CC membership.
kind of sad that you volunteer and they still make you pay for a membership... maybe your contribution just isn't that valuable to the team.... who knows... -Jésus noir
I haven't paid for a CC membership in years because of my volunteering. However, I could afford to if I had to.

How much do you earn?

Post by **IcePack** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:12 am

Symmetry wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Condestável wrote:
BIG_John wrote:It looks like you have a hard time beating saxibot as well! For someone that has a 45% and rank of Seargeant doesn't look like the dice are that bad! Just my opinion though! So nobody is going along with your bs claim and you resort to bashing the people's country? That is real classy! I think you might have been dropped on your head one to many times as a kid. But good luck with the dice!
Again I'm not bashing anything, it's just a fact that North-Americans in general tend to not listen to any rational arguments, they religiously cling to beliefs while insulting whoever questions them. Just like the numbers I posted, it's facts not opinions, and you just did it.
At least we North-Americans make enough money to pay for a $30 CC membership.
kind of sad that you volunteer and they still make you pay for a membership... maybe your contribution just isn't that valuable to the team.... who knows... -Jésus noir
I haven't paid for a CC membership in years because of my volunteering. However, I could afford to if I had to.
How much do you earn?

Moderators get their yearly premium covered.

Post by **Dukasaur** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:32 am

IcePack wrote:
Moderators get their yearly premium covered.

Not always...

Metsfanmax · Post by **Metsfanmax** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:56 am

Symmetry wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Condestável wrote:
BIG_John wrote:It looks like you have a hard time beating saxibot as well! For someone that has a 45% and rank of Seargeant doesn't look like the dice are that bad! Just my opinion though! So nobody is going along with your bs claim and you resort to bashing the people's country? That is real classy! I think you might have been dropped on your head one to many times as a kid. But good luck with the dice!
Again I'm not bashing anything, it's just a fact that North-Americans in general tend to not listen to any rational arguments, they religiously cling to beliefs while insulting whoever questions them. Just like the numbers I posted, it's facts not opinions, and you just did it.
At least we North-Americans make enough money to pay for a $30 CC membership.
kind of sad that you volunteer and they still make you pay for a membership... maybe your contribution just isn't that valuable to the team.... who knows... -Jésus noir
I haven't paid for a CC membership in years because of my volunteering. However, I could afford to if I had to.
How much do you earn?

On a good night, including tips? $700.

Post by **Keefie** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:17 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
On a good night, including tips? $700.

So there's still good money to be made in Pole Dancing then

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