Hoopybhoy posts url's of screenshots in fog game [ka]

[mister loggy]

Accused:

Hoopybhoy




The accused are suspected of:


Other: Posting screenshot urls in chat of fog game



Game number(s):

Game 16690225


Comments:

Posting pictures is one step beyond just writing in chat what one sees because it goes beyond "cheap talk" to actually subverting the rules and spirit of a fog game

[mister loggy]

CORRECTION: game number Game 16689826

[riskllama]

*yawn*
dick move? yes. against the rules? no.
foe the bugger.

[iAmCaffeine]

*yawn*
dick move? yes. against the rules? no.
foe the bugger.

I'm not so sure you're right. I can't be bothered to search, but I do remember cases like this in the past so precedent should already be set. See, if you simply say "red has 50 troops in Dubai" then nobody really knows if you're being truthful or not without moving to that area. By posting screenshots, that is defying the mechanics of the game and I would say is against the rules.

I remember last time people argued about how the images could be photoshopped, but that's just strawman to the maximum.

[riskllama]

*yawn*
dick move? yes. against the rules? no.
foe the bugger.

I'm not so sure you're right. I can't be bothered to search, but I do remember cases like this in the past so precedent should already be set. See, if you simply say "red has 50 troops in Dubai" then nobody really knows if you're being truthful or not without moving to that area. By posting screenshots, that is defying the mechanics of the game and I would say is against the rules.

I remember last time people argued about how the images could be photoshopped, but that's just strawman to the maximum.

there was a case regarding this very same tactic not too long ago, iirc. too lazy to look it up, as well. where the f*ck is the black jujube when you need him???

[MagnusGreeol]

*yawn*
dick move? yes. against the rules? no.
foe the bugger.

I'm not so sure you're right. I can't be bothered to search, but I do remember cases like this in the past so precedent should already be set. See, if you simply say "red has 50 troops in Dubai" then nobody really knows if you're being truthful or not without moving to that area. By posting screenshots, that is defying the mechanics of the game and I would say is against the rules.

I remember last time people argued about how the images could be photoshopped, but that's just strawman to the maximum.

there was a case regarding this very same tactic not too long ago, iirc. too lazy to look it up, as well. where the f*ck is the black jujube when you need him???

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 2#p4778361

- Here ya go Llama

- Italian Stallion to the rescue! But still missing the Shooter! "(

-\MGM/-

[Dukasaur]

*yawn*
dick move? yes. against the rules? no.
foe the bugger.

I'm not so sure you're right. I can't be bothered to search, but I do remember cases like this in the past so precedent should already be set. See, if you simply say "red has 50 troops in Dubai" then nobody really knows if you're being truthful or not without moving to that area. By posting screenshots, that is defying the mechanics of the game and I would say is against the rules.

I remember last time people argued about how the images could be photoshopped, but that's just strawman to the maximum.

Not a strawman. Point is that communication is communication. Just as someone can lie to you with words, they can lie to you with pictures. I can say "I have 500 troops on Lagos", or I can photoshop to show (falsely) a picture of 500 troops on Lagos.

And the underlying point remains that if it's not against the rules to say you have 500 troops on Lagos (whether true or false) it's not against the rules to say the same with graphic support.

[iAmCaffeine]

Who will actually go to that effort? And who actually has the capability to do that to a standard that would pass?

[Hoopybhoy]

I did what I did because I remembered seeing a similar situation being posted here - i think it's the link above ^ and I remember reading comments saying it wasn't against the rules. I also said that to him in the game chat. I was getting targeted by everyone because they thought I was the leader. I sent the screenshots in chat to prove my case that I wasn't to the other 2 players and when loggy (cyan) started to get a bit of trouble from the others players, he threw the toys out the pram, db'd (when he was miles in the lead) and posted this. I understand it may be annoying for someone to do this, but it isn't against the rules, so I'm not in the wrong.

[MagnusGreeol]

I did what I did because I remembered seeing a similar situation being posted here - i think it's the link above ^ and I remember reading comments saying it wasn't against the rules. I also said that to him in the game chat. I was getting targeted by everyone because they thought I was the leader. I sent the screenshots in chat to prove my case that I wasn't to the other 2 players and when loggy (cyan) started to get a bit of trouble from the others players, he threw the toys out the pram, db'd (when he was miles in the lead) and posted this. I understand it may be annoying for someone to do this, but it isn't against the rules, so I'm not in the wrong.

- The End ")

[riskllama]

*yawn*
dick move? yes. against the rules? no.
foe the bugger.

I'm not so sure you're right. I can't be bothered to search, but I do remember cases like this in the past so precedent should already be set. See, if you simply say "red has 50 troops in Dubai" then nobody really knows if you're being truthful or not without moving to that area. By posting screenshots, that is defying the mechanics of the game and I would say is against the rules.

I remember last time people argued about how the images could be photoshopped, but that's just strawman to the maximum.

Not a strawman. Point is that communication is communication. Just as someone can lie to you with words, they can lie to you with pictures. I can say "I have 500 troops on Lagos", or I can photoshop to show (falsely) a picture of 500 troops on Lagos.

And the underlying point remains that if it's not against the rules to say you have 500 troops on Lagos (whether true or false) it's not against the rules to say the same with graphic support.

Who will actually go to that effort? And who actually has the capability to do that to a standard that would pass?

i say whoever DOES go to those lengths to photoshop a screenshot deserves to win. he clearly wants the pts more than i do...

[Donelladan]

I think a mistake has been made with the previous ruling. Let's hope we can avoid to repeat it.
This part of the chat say it all :

2016-07-01 19:20:57 - mister loggy: blue posting those pictures is blatant cheating in a fog game
2016-07-01 19:21:26 - Hoopybhoy: not cheating - it's to show the two others that i'm playing that i'm not lying
2016-07-01 19:22:02 - mister loggy: fog is there for a reason. I have filed a support complaint against you. fucking rotten of you
2016-07-01 19:22:02 - Hoopybhoy: i've seen on forums before that it is a choice to do what i've done (huge forum - check it out) and i noticed a few said its personal choice.
2016-07-01 19:22:10 - thenoob23: it's one thing to say cyan has 60 on one territory in a fog game... who knows if i'm lying.. it's another to show a picture of it
2016-07-01 19:22:17 - Hoopybhoy: I have to do it otherwise I'm going to get screwed over for nothing
2016-07-01 19:22:57 - mister loggy: well i am out and you are foe'd and you make it less fun to play here. hope you enjoy unfilled speed games

Hoopy did it because he know about the previous ruling, nothing else. And th other players, which are your basic CC players found it was cheating.
Why did they think so ? Because it's definitely against the spirit of the fog to put pictures of the map in the game chat.
The photoshop argument is just trying to find a weird justification to smthg that shouldn't be, and it's smthg that no one is ever gonna think about.
Photoshopped pictures of the game will only happen if we let this practice develop to such an extent that everyone will be putting pictures in the game chat, then maybe a few smarter one will do this photoshopping, but that will only be once putting picture of the game has become a common thing and you'd have pissed off most fog players.

It's a fog game, it means you do not see other regions. Once someone put a picture you see them, that's totally against what fog should be.

And we don't need that. Pictures are not necessary for the game. If it was bringing something to the game, maybe we should discuss it. But they don't bring anything to the game, only anger and frustration for the other players, as we can see in this example and in the previous one.
I completely fail to see how allowing people to post pictures in a fog game can have positive side.
Maybe it wasn't forbidden before, in which case accused in this case and in the previous were rightly cleared, but let's change it, starting now.

[Donelladan]

Sorry for the double post.
I wanna add smthg
You said the picture "could be" photoshopped therefore it doesn't matter.
But as a fog player it's not like that that things usually happen.

When I am winning in a fog game and someone start shouting " he has huge stacks, I need help against Donelladan". Then I can lie and reply " That's BS, he has much more troops than me".
Or smthg similar.

Now if tomorrow someone post a picture showing my stacks. I cannot post another picture showing the contrary. Why ? Because I have no idea how to photoshop a picture. I actually do not even know how to post a picture in a game chat using a link. And I am not the only one in that case. This is totally different of giving up positions in the chat.
And don't tell me I should learn how to photoshop a picture. I do not have program to do it and I don't think I should learn how to photoshop a picture to be able to play here on CC !

[TimWoodbury]

And don't tell me I should learn how to photoshop a picture. I do not have program to do it and I don't think I should learn how to photoshop a picture to be able to play here on CC !

You got microsoft paint do you not.......comes factory on all computers i thought

[MagnusGreeol]

I think a mistake has been made with the previous ruling. Let's hope we can avoid to repeat it.
This part of the chat say it all :

2016-07-01 19:20:57 - mister loggy: blue posting those pictures is blatant cheating in a fog game
2016-07-01 19:21:26 - Hoopybhoy: not cheating - it's to show the two others that i'm playing that i'm not lying
2016-07-01 19:22:02 - mister loggy: fog is there for a reason. I have filed a support complaint against you. fucking rotten of you
2016-07-01 19:22:02 - Hoopybhoy: i've seen on forums before that it is a choice to do what i've done (huge forum - check it out) and i noticed a few said its personal choice.
2016-07-01 19:22:10 - thenoob23: it's one thing to say cyan has 60 on one territory in a fog game... who knows if i'm lying.. it's another to show a picture of it
2016-07-01 19:22:17 - Hoopybhoy: I have to do it otherwise I'm going to get screwed over for nothing
2016-07-01 19:22:57 - mister loggy: well i am out and you are foe'd and you make it less fun to play here. hope you enjoy unfilled speed games

Hoopy did it because he know about the previous ruling, nothing else. And th other players, which are your basic CC players found it was cheating.
Why did they think so ? Because it's definitely against the spirit of the fog to put pictures of the map in the game chat.
The photoshop argument is just trying to find a weird justification to smthg that shouldn't be, and it's smthg that no one is ever gonna think about.
Photoshopped pictures of the game will only happen if we let this practice develop to such an extent that everyone will be putting pictures in the game chat, then maybe a few smarter one will do this photoshopping, but that will only be once putting picture of the game has become a common thing and you'd have pissed off most fog players.

It's a fog game, it means you do not see other regions. Once someone put a picture you see them, that's totally against what fog should be.

And we don't need that. Pictures are not necessary for the game. If it was bringing something to the game, maybe we should discuss it. But they don't bring anything to the game, only anger and frustration for the other players, as we can see in this example and in the previous one.
I completely fail to see how allowing people to post pictures in a fog game can have positive side.
Maybe it wasn't forbidden before, in which case accused in this case and in the previous were rightly cleared, but let's change it, starting now.

- +1 I agree fully with the Don, No one should be aloud to post pictures real or fake in Fog wars

And don't tell me I should learn how to photoshop a picture. I do not have program to do it and I don't think I should learn how to photoshop a picture to be able to play here on CC !

You got microsoft paint do you not.......comes factory on all computers i thought

- No matter, There are a lot of people including me who aren't that articulate to create a picture and do this, It should be against the rules!

-\MGM/-

[Dukasaur]

Who will actually go to that effort? And who actually has the capability to do that to a standard that would pass?

Most people would not bother. I agree. Doesn't change the bottom line, that it can be done.

Sorry for the double post.
I wanna add smthg
You said the picture "could be" photoshopped therefore it doesn't matter.
But as a fog player it's not like that that things usually happen.

When I am winning in a fog game and someone start shouting " he has huge stacks, I need help against Donelladan". Then I can lie and reply " That's BS, he has much more troops than me".
Or smthg similar.

Now if tomorrow someone post a picture showing my stacks. I cannot post another picture showing the contrary. Why ? Because I have no idea how to photoshop a picture. I actually do not even know how to post a picture in a game chat using a link. And I am not the only one in that case. This is totally different of giving up positions in the chat.
And don't tell me I should learn how to photoshop a picture. I do not have program to do it and I don't think I should learn how to photoshop a picture to be able to play here on CC !

This is all a red herring. It's not against the rules to discuss your position, therefore it's not against the rules to demonstrate what you say.

If you want to argue that it should be against the rules, go ahead, but that is a separate issue entirely.

[Donelladan]

A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue.

I had to google what's a red herring

I don't see how anything I said is misleading, or distract from the important issue.
The important issue is, "Is it allowed to post screenshots in a fog game ?"

It was not obvious before previous recent ruling, and I believe the previous ruling was a mistake.
I believe this case is an example showing how allowing pictures to be post is a mistake, as it cannot lead to smthg better to CC, I think it will mainly create problems or dissatisfaction.

There is no clear rule that say you can post a picture. Btw there is also no written rule that say you can discuss your position in the fog. It is allowed, you and I know it, but a newcomer to CC has no idea of it, hence the many post made in C&A for breach of the fog rule when someone reveal position in a game chat. I am not saying it is or it isn't against the rule to post a screenshot, I am saying it's not as obvious as you seem to believe that it is allowed and should be allowed.

And I don't think it's a separate issue to argue it should be against the rule, looks to me like the C&A mods decided this was allowed in the previous case, and decided here, so I think I am at the exact right place to argue it should be against the rule.


Though, if I may, I'd like your opinion on what I say earlier :
What is the interest for the gameplay, for CC, to allow people to put screenshots in the game chat ? Is there any ? Why should we allow it ?
I think discussing the position in the chat, revealing it using words, is 100% enough, I think that screenshots are totally unnecessary. I think that it will annoy people, it does, and I think it's against the spirit of the fog war.
We can allow it, we did so far, but I think it'll be much easier and convenient to forbid it.
It's something very marginal anyway, and Hoopybhoy only did it because of previous case in which it has been said it was allowed, had the C&A said it was forbidden this case wouldn't exist.

[iAmCaffeine]

Cool. Since I'm adept with Photoshop I'll start doing this in all my fog games and posting fake screenshots. Nobody will be able to tell they're fake. I expect I won't be losing any fog games for quite some time, especially 4-team doubles.

[clangfield]

A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue.

I had to google what's a red herring

I don't see how anything I said is misleading, or distract from the important issue.
The important issue is, "Is it allowed to post screenshots in a fog game ?"

It was not obvious before previous recent ruling, and I believe the previous ruling was a mistake.
I believe this case is an example showing how allowing pictures to be post is a mistake, as it cannot lead to smthg better to CC, I think it will mainly create problems or dissatisfaction.

There is no clear rule that say you can post a picture. Btw there is also no written rule that say you can discuss your position in the fog. It is allowed, you and I know it, but a newcomer to CC has no idea of it, hence the many post made in C&A for breach of the fog rule when someone reveal position in a game chat. I am not saying it is or it isn't against the rule to post a screenshot, I am saying it's not as obvious as you seem to believe that it is allowed and should be allowed.

And I don't think it's a separate issue to argue it should be against the rule, looks to me like the C&A mods decided this was allowed in the previous case, and decided here, so I think I am at the exact right place to argue it should be against the rule.


Though, if I may, I'd like your opinion on what I say earlier :
What is the interest for the gameplay, for CC, to allow people to put screenshots in the game chat ? Is there any ? Why should we allow it ?
I think discussing the position in the chat, revealing it using words, is 100% enough, I think that screenshots are totally unnecessary. I think that it will annoy people, it does, and I think it's against the spirit of the fog war.
We can allow it, we did so far, but I think it'll be much easier and convenient to forbid it.
It's something very marginal anyway, and Hoopybhoy only did it because of previous case in which it has been said it was allowed, had the C&A said it was forbidden this case wouldn't exist.

You'd have to extend this to cover sound files too

Firstly, this case should be cleared, because revealing and indeed lying are considered valid tactics in a fog game.
A lot of people don't like it, and the only response is to foe the culprit so you're not exposed to them again.
Maybe there should be another variant of fog which is chat-free, for those that want it?
I recall a separate discussion of 'super-fog' where nothing is shown at all apart from someone starting or ending their turn - what happened to that?

[Donelladan]

Clangfield, no one argue here that you can't reveal positinos and troops, or lie about them in a fog game. I do it all the time and totally agree with it.
I don't want a chat-free game at all, and if I understand this idea could have support, it wouldn't be good for me at all. And that's actually why I am against posting screenshots in the game chat.
It's because I do reveal position and lie when I play fog.

We are speaking about posting a screenshot in a fog game. Which is, imho, quite different of simply revealing a position in a game chat.
I consider saying "player X has a stack of XXX units on region Y" is different of posting a picture of it. And since the former is possible, I don't see why we need to let people post pictures.

[clangfield]

Clangfield, no one argue here that you can't reveal positinos and troops, or lie about them in a fog game. I do it all the time and totally agree with it.
I don't want a chat-free game at all, and if I understand this idea could have support, it wouldn't be good for me at all. And that's actually why I am against posting screenshots in the game chat.
It's because I do reveal position and lie when I play fog.

We are speaking about posting a screenshot in a fog game. Which is, imho, quite different of simply revealing a position in a game chat.
I consider saying "player X has a stack of XXX units on region Y" is different of posting a picture of it. And since the former is possible, I don't see why we need to let people post pictures.

I don't see it as different at all - it just requires more effort. Either way you're revealing or potentially lying about the game situation.
It might be beyond some people's technical ability, but that's not a reason to prevent others doing it if they wish. I'm rubbish at lying so I don't want to see people revealing positions in chat at all, verbally or visually - is that a reason to prevent you from doing it?
Similarly, you don't have to play chat-free, it would just be an option for those such as I who dislike any form of revealing.

[Donelladan]

I don't see it as different at all

Well it is different. Factually speaking this is not the exact same thing. It might lead to similar effect, and you can argue therefore it should consider the same way.
But it is not literally the same.

It might be beyond some people's technical ability, but that's not a reason to prevent others doing it if they wish. I'm rubbish at lying so I don't want to see people revealing positions in chat at all, verbally or visually - is that a reason to prevent you from doing it?

To be able to lie using the chat you only need to be able to speak english. Speaking english is required to play on CC. Some people can barely speak english, but they won't complain about it because it's an english website, so that's it.
Being able to modify a picture is quite another thing and isn't a requirement to play on CC at all.

Now you start, like other, by speaking about lying. But primarily, people do not lie in a fog game. In most of the case they start by telling the truth.
Let me explain, people will say, like Hoopy did in this case, "look cyan has a big big stack, stop fighting me, we need to fight him". He wasn't lying, he was stating fact.
Now it is extremely easy for Cyan to say " Hoopy is lying, he has way bigger stack than mine, don't listen to him".

Which is why we allow people to reveal the truth about stack and position, because it is very easy to say the opposite.
Therefore saying the truth about the strength of one's opponent isn't actually breaking anything in the fog.

Now Hoopy post a screenshot of cyan's stack.
Maybe Cyan is unable to post a screenshot of Hoopy showing that Hoopy is lying, because Cyan does not know how to make a screenshot ( don't laugh there is people using internet that can't make a screenshot) or more probably because he can make a screenshot but doesn't have the skill to transform this image ( now this is totally possible I have no idea how to modify an image using paint so that it would actually look like I didn't modify the image).

Now another point, since we can already reveal position and troops count in the game chat, why would we need to post screenshot ? This is totally not useful for the game to allow us to post sreenshot.
To ask for help to beat up the strongest player in the game is a smart move in a multiplayer game. It add diplomacy to the game. It add another aspect. Lies and deception also add another interesting tactical layer to the game.
Photoshopping screenshots does not, imho, add anything to the game. Worse it actually take something from it because people do believe way more an image that a few written word. Therefore to me it is a nuisance.

You are all speaking in theory, saying that a screenshot is nothing else that posting the positions and troops count in the game chat.
Well, definitely yes, it is giving the same information taking a picture of the stack or typing the troops count in the game chat. But it's not exactly the same

If I tell you I saw a stranded whale inside the city center of my city ( which isn't a coastal city) you may not believe me, but if I show you a picture of the stranded whale it's already more likely you'll believe me isn't it ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-ESK4HpjLE

[Im stupid]

I found the actual rules from the site.
This should settle everything.

Fog of War Games:
•Using the game chat to announce where a player's territories and troops may (or may not ) be is NOT against the rules. It may come across as unfair or not in the spirit of the game, but feel free to find strategic applications of this non-rule.
Links: Any links in live chat must follow the site guidelines. Links that force a user to automatically join a game are not allowed. In addition, links to sites containing nudity or pornography are NOT allowed. All users are responsible for any and all material on a link. Ignorance is not an excuse, so post links with great caution as any posted links are treated on a case by case basis as far as the discipline ladder is concerned.
Annoying Players:
•Sometimes you will find yourself in a game with an annoying player. If you do not like their comments in the chat or their playing style, you can add that player to your foe list. Once on the list, you will no longer have to read their comments, and they will not be able to join future games with you if you joined the game first. To modify your Foe (and Friends) List, check out the Friends and Foe Page.
•If a player's comments do not violate the rules posted below, then do not ask a moderator or administrator to intervene when a player annoys you. This includes curse words and foul language. They are allowed on this site and would be too difficult to moderate every one.
•After you are eliminated or the game ends, you will have the opportunity to rate your opponent. Use the ratings and up to 4 tags to describe your opponent and warn/encourage future participants.
So now to make a ruling we need to consider the following information.
"Feel free to find strategic applications of this non-rule." Would posting a link revealing the locations and troop counts in a fog of war be considered a strategic application of this non-rule? If so then it appears the community guidelines permit and even encourage people to reveal troop counts in fog of war games through the main chat. Finding a unique way to reveal these troop counts could therefore be considered a strategic application as the rules never stated that there were restrictions on how troop counts could be revealed.
Next question, does the players link violate the community guidelines?
according to the rules links are not allowed if they automatically force a user to join a game or contain nudity/pornography or other graphic material.
This link does not force anyone to join a game nor contain nudity/ pornography. Posting fog of war snapshots may be annoying but is it illegal?
Which brings me to my final point.
"Sometimes you will find yourself in a game with an annoying player. If you do not like their comments in the chat or their playing style, you can add that player to your foe list. Once on the list, you will no longer have to read their comments, and they will not be able to join future games with you if you joined the game first.
cont-(note this sentence does not come directly after statement above, I'm just posting the relevant statements to the case)"If a player's comments do not violate the rules posted below, then do not ask a moderator or administrator to intervene when a player annoys you. This includes curse words and foul language. They are allowed on this site and would be too difficult to moderate every one."
Now with this said. Some things players do may be annoying and even can be considered a nuisance, however just having an annoying playing style isn't neccesarily against the rules.
So based on all these rules, I'd have to say that the player being accused did not violate the rules, as there was nothing in the current rules that stated that what this player was illegal.
If you want to change or update the rules that can be done, but you cannot punish a player for violating a rule that did not exist at the current time of the offense. in other words no ex post facto.
Whatever is decided should be decided today and the player should get a pass this time if a new rule is created as he should not be punished for something decided after the fact.
Those are my thoughts though.
Its the moderators who decide this stuff but I just wanted to share my feelings on this.

[clangfield]

I don't see it as different at all

Well it is different. Factually speaking this is not the exact same thing. It might lead to similar effect, and you can argue therefore it should consider the same way.
But it is not literally the same.

It might be beyond some people's technical ability, but that's not a reason to prevent others doing it if they wish. I'm rubbish at lying so I don't want to see people revealing positions in chat at all, verbally or visually - is that a reason to prevent you from doing it?

To be able to lie using the chat you only need to be able to speak english. Speaking english is required to play on CC. Some people can barely speak english, but they won't complain about it because it's an english website, so that's it.
Being able to modify a picture is quite another thing and isn't a requirement to play on CC at all.

Now you start, like other, by speaking about lying. But primarily, people do not lie in a fog game. In most of the case they start by telling the truth.
Let me explain, people will say, like Hoopy did in this case, "look cyan has a big big stack, stop fighting me, we need to fight him". He wasn't lying, he was stating fact.
Now it is extremely easy for Cyan to say " Hoopy is lying, he has way bigger stack than mine, don't listen to him".

Which is why we allow people to reveal the truth about stack and position, because it is very easy to say the opposite.
Therefore saying the truth about the strength of one's opponent isn't actually breaking anything in the fog.

Now Hoopy post a screenshot of cyan's stack.
Maybe Cyan is unable to post a screenshot of Hoopy showing that Hoopy is lying, because Cyan does not know how to make a screenshot ( don't laugh there is people using internet that can't make a screenshot) or more probably because he can make a screenshot but doesn't have the skill to transform this image ( now this is totally possible I have no idea how to modify an image using paint so that it would actually look like I didn't modify the image).

Now another point, since we can already reveal position and troops count in the game chat, why would we need to post screenshot ? This is totally not useful for the game to allow us to post sreenshot.
To ask for help to beat up the strongest player in the game is a smart move in a multiplayer game. It add diplomacy to the game. It add another aspect. Lies and deception also add another interesting tactical layer to the game.
Photoshopping screenshots does not, imho, add anything to the game. Worse it actually take something from it because people do believe way more an image that a few written word. Therefore to me it is a nuisance.

You are all speaking in theory, saying that a screenshot is nothing else that posting the positions and troops count in the game chat.
Well, definitely yes, it is giving the same information taking a picture of the stack or typing the troops count in the game chat. But it's not exactly the same

If I tell you I saw a stranded whale inside the city center of my city ( which isn't a coastal city) you may not believe me, but if I show you a picture of the stranded whale it's already more likely you'll believe me isn't it ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-ESK4HpjLE

Okay, it's not identical, but it amounts to the same thing in my opinion ie revealing troop positions and strength, so as far as rules are concerned, I make no distinction. If people choose to believe a picture, that's up to them.

[king achilles]

This is not illegal. I re-confirmed this with the boss. TS. you already opened a ticket about this and I said the same thing. Feel free to rate him accordingly and place him in your Foe list.