Was 9/11 just a plot by the U.S. government

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:40 am

And if they are willing to let so many people die for their conspiracy why not kill the few people who were involved with trying to release the conspiracy while they are at it?

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:04 pm

strike wolf wrote:And if they are willing to let so many people die for their conspiracy why not kill the few people who were involved with trying to release the conspiracy while they are at it?

Yeah, I mean, these are heartless murderers right?

What, did they hit 3005 deaths and say "Ok, no more, it's wrong now?"

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:26 pm

ksslemp wrote:You're a Good Man Serb.
Welcome to America!

Thanks, thanks.

(born and raised in the Detroit area, but thanks :wink:

)

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:45 pm

Oh noez talking dogs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYaw5tGYAs

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:10 pm

2dimes wrote:Oh noez talking dogs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYaw5tGYAs

WTF?!

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:22 pm

Run away, they're developing talking dogs. I can't say more here.

DirtyDishSoap · Post by **DirtyDishSoap** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:24 pm

I weep for this thread :cry:

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:44 pm

2dimes wrote:Run away, they're developing talking dogs. I can't say more here.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:27 pm

strike wolf wrote:And if they are willing to let so many people die for their conspiracy why not kill the few people who were involved with trying to release the conspiracy while they are at it?

Few people? There are loads of them! Do you think if the government "killed off" all these conspiracy theorists that people would think something is foul? hmmm Why not let them rant, gather together our own "experts" to debunk the "theories" and move on? Hey, it seems to be working!

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:36 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
strike wolf wrote:And if they are willing to let so many people die for their conspiracy why not kill the few people who were involved with trying to release the conspiracy while they are at it?

Few people? There are loads of them! Do you think if the government "killed off" all these conspiracy theorists that people would think something is foul? hmmm Why not let them rant, gather together our own "experts" to debunk the "theories" and move on? Hey, it seems to be working!

It started off very small, the government could have stopped it a long time ago before it ever got that big.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:44 pm

strike wolf wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
strike wolf wrote:And if they are willing to let so many people die for their conspiracy why not kill the few people who were involved with trying to release the conspiracy while they are at it?

Few people? There are loads of them! Do you think if the government "killed off" all these conspiracy theorists that people would think something is foul? hmmm Why not let them rant, gather together our own "experts" to debunk the "theories" and move on? Hey, it seems to be working!

It started off very small, the government could have stopped it a long time ago before it ever got that big.

The truth is like a spring.... it always comes to the surface.

mr. incrediball · Post by **mr. incrediball** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:07 pm

you can't be serious, wacko conspiracy theorists...

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:32 pm

Conspiricy nut jobs.

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:38 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
strike wolf wrote:And if they are willing to let so many people die for their conspiracy why not kill the few people who were involved with trying to release the conspiracy while they are at it?

Few people? There are loads of them! Do you think if the government "killed off" all these conspiracy theorists that people would think something is foul? hmmm Why not let them rant, gather together our own "experts" to debunk the "theories" and move on? Hey, it seems to be working!

It started off very small, the government could have stopped it a long time ago before it ever got that big.

The truth is like a slinky.... it stops at the bottom of the stairs. Unless it is on an escalator.

And in a way, that escalator is a bit like noah.

That was Thought for the Day with the Reverend Pete O'Phile of St Rubbergusset's church, Putney

ScottS · Post by **ScottS** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:47 pm

I am dumber for having read this thread. Thanks, jay.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:02 pm

jay_a2j wrote:The truth is like a spring.... it always comes to the surface.

You seriously believe all this? No sarcasm whatsoever?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:10 pm

Guiscard wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:The truth is like a spring.... it always comes to the surface.

You seriously believe all this? No sarcasm whatsoever?

We stopped pursuing Osama Bin Laden (remember the guy responsible for 911?)

WHY?????????

All the video evidence (unless its all computer generated trickery).

Eye witnesses that heard explosion(s) ... accompanied by small bursts of smoke escaping the towers a few floors below the collapse.

The towers collapsing JUST LIKE A DEMOLITION... into its own footprint.

RATIONALLY explain these and I might leave the conspiracy bus.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:07 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:The truth is like a spring.... it always comes to the surface.

You seriously believe all this? No sarcasm whatsoever?

We stopped pursuing Osama Bin Laden (remember the guy responsible for 911?)

WHY?????????

All the video evidence (unless its all computer generated trickery).

Eye witnesses that heard explosion(s) ... accompanied by small bursts of smoke escaping the towers a few floors below the collapse.

The towers collapsing JUST LIKE A DEMOLITION... into its own footprint.

RATIONALLY explain these and I might leave the conspiracy bus.

Wow OK... What semblance of rationality I still thought you had just went down the toilet....

GreecePwns · Post by **GreecePwns** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:10 pm

The1exile wrote:http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

I like the 100$ bill thing

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:01 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:The truth is like a spring.... it always comes to the surface.

You seriously believe all this? No sarcasm whatsoever?

We stopped pursuing Osama Bin Laden (remember the guy responsible for 911?)

WHY?????????

All the video evidence (unless its all computer generated trickery).

Eye witnesses that heard explosion(s) ... accompanied by small bursts of smoke escaping the towers a few floors below the collapse.

The towers collapsing JUST LIKE A DEMOLITION... into its own footprint.

RATIONALLY explain these and I might leave the conspiracy bus.

You really want to go down this road again jay? I shot down everyone of your fables rationally and you just rolled your eyes.

Wanna do it again?

ritz627 · Post by **ritz627** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:21 pm

Backglass wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:The truth is like a spring.... it always comes to the surface.

You seriously believe all this? No sarcasm whatsoever?

We stopped pursuing Osama Bin Laden (remember the guy responsible for 911?)

WHY?????????

All the video evidence (unless its all computer generated trickery).

Eye witnesses that heard explosion(s) ... accompanied by small bursts of smoke escaping the towers a few floors below the collapse.

The towers collapsing JUST LIKE A DEMOLITION... into its own footprint.

RATIONALLY explain these and I might leave the conspiracy bus.

You really want to go down this road again jay? I shot down everyone of your fables rationally and you just rolled your eyes.

Wanna do it again?

Its kind of funny, knowing that you and Iz man are both huge bushies and supporters of the War in Iraq, I would say that you are being sarcastic. For once you guys, you have me really laughing.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:22 pm

Backglass wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:The truth is like a spring.... it always comes to the surface.

You seriously believe all this? No sarcasm whatsoever?

We stopped pursuing Osama Bin Laden (remember the guy responsible for 911?)

WHY?????????

All the video evidence (unless its all computer generated trickery).

Eye witnesses that heard explosion(s) ... accompanied by small bursts of smoke escaping the towers a few floors below the collapse.

The towers collapsing JUST LIKE A DEMOLITION... into its own footprint.

RATIONALLY explain these and I might leave the conspiracy bus.

You really want to go down this road again jay? I shot down everyone of your fables rationally and you just rolled your eyes.

Wanna do it again?

humor me

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:03 pm

jay_a2j wrote:We stopped pursuing Osama Bin Laden (remember the guy responsible for 911?) WHY?????????

Damn good question. Ask George W. Bush our republican elected buffoon. While your at it remind him he isn't, and never was in Iraq.

jay_a2j wrote:All the video evidence (unless its all computer generated trickery).

<sigh> as usual, we need details jay. No vague "All the evidence" broad brush. What "video evidence" do you speak of. Video that, itself hasnt been doctored.

jay_a2j wrote:Eye witnesses that heard explosion(s) ... accompanied by small bursts of smoke escaping the towers a few floors below the collapse.

What witnesses. Please point us to a news report of such.

Now...Were these the people running for their lives or the ones killed? Ask any policeman about "eyewitness reports" from victims under duress and see what they say. Besides, what makes you think a building, falling down, wouldn't make noise? And how exactly could these people running for their lives, pinpoint noise, exactly to the floor, on a 100+ story building? As for dust, etc...why wouldn't dust, smoke, particles from the massive failure above blast out windows, etc? Ever heard of shock waves or air pressure?

You are alleging these were set charges. Do you have any idea how many charges would have to be set to bring down the towers in a true demolition? Tens of thousands. Have you ever seen the prep work before a building implosion? It takes weeks of pre-stressing. Beams and girders are cut on EVERY floor...the building is weakened to the point of near collapse and THEN they set off the fireworks. They don't just plant a few dozen explosives and accordion a building jay, use your head. On top of that a building the size of the WTC towers has never been demo'ed via implosion. It would take MONTHS of planning, tests and pre-stressing. This is not a weekend job, even for a small building.

Now...lets assume you are right. It would take a crew of HUNDREDS of men to plant these tens of thousands of explosives. These shadowy secret agents, over the course of several months would have to move amongst the high security, maintenence workers, and people that work there every day without being seen or questioned. Not to mention that any one of these hundreds of people could be an instant Billionaire for their story and the worldwide scandal that would ensue...yet...silence. Why? Because it's as fictional as the book you live your life by.

jay_a2j wrote:LIKE A DEMOLITION...in it's own footprint

And how exactly should it have fallen Mr. Engineer? Like a tree in the forest? The buildings had over 1000 times the mass of the airplanes...they weren't going to fall over. In fact they were designed for massive wind load from the sides. The buildings didn't collapse for some time because they withstood the impact just fine.

First, the buildings were 90% air due to their egg-crate construction. It was a skeletal design, innovative in the 70's...they were not the empire state building, all bricks and morter. Steel beams (which did not melt BTW) hung by hangers (which failed due to heat) and placed undue load on the floor below creating an ever increasing domino pancake effect.

Do you have any idea how much the towers weighed? About 500,000 TONS each. There was no lateral load as explained above to knock them over, so where do you EXPECT 500,000 tons to fall other than straight down? Hmmm? They weren't Legos jay.

But then again...it's easier to just yell conspiracy, huh! :lol:

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:10 pm

jay_a2j wrote:We stopped pursuing Osama Bin Laden (remember the guy responsible for 911?)

WHY?????????

Who the f*ck knows? Perhaps it was because Bush II had a distinct personal revenge thing for Saddam? Maybe it was to confuse us into being more afraid of Saddam.

Think about it, if we have this new target that is so important that the gov't wants to ignore our previous target, then surely he must be more of a threat.

We know he wasn't, but everyone was caught up in the pre-war maelstrom, even you.

All the video evidence (unless its all computer generated trickery).

What video evidence? Distorted, grainy footage of a fish-eye lens for five frames? That's hardly a slam-dunk.

Eye witnesses that heard explosion(s) ... accompanied by small bursts of smoke escaping the towers a few floors below the collapse.

Eyewitnesses that "heard" explosions? Duh genius, a plane hit. Ever hear of an echo?

Also, fuel has weight, it flowed out of the cracked tank (since the plane holding it had just exploded) and burned its way down through drywall and insulation. Fiberglass burns when flaming jet fuel is poured on it.

The towers collapsing JUST LIKE A DEMOLITION... into its own footprint.

Well gee, let's look shall we?

1) A plane slams into a building that is structurally designed not to tip over like a domino.
2) The heat from the burning fuel, drywall, and other building materials causes the steel to expand (unless Heat Expansion is part of the conspiracy too).
3) The expanding steel flexes and collapses in on itself.
4) The top of the building loses structural integrity and falls downwards, with the force of gravity.

Since the building had no horizontal momentum, Newton's First Law (Bodies in motion stay in motion, bodies at rest stay at rest until acted upon by an outside force) thus tells us that the top section of the building would follow the force of gravity, downwards.

So sorry if you chose to ignore your High School physics class too, Jay.

RATIONALLY explain these and I might leave the conspiracy bus.

It's been done rationally before this thread Jay, so sorry if your irrational beliefs won't allow you to see that.

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:17 pm

Black Warior wrote:America has the worst form of government so called "Democracy"

Probably because we don't have a direct democracy. We have a representative republic. But if you think that form of government is crap as well, you're entitled to your opinion.