WoT:Mem of Light An Ending

[gregwolf121]

@bujaber, i don't think its a great idea to say anything about my role right now, we had way to many claims yesterday, and we already have some promising leads today, ie cases carried over from yesterday, so i see no need to fish for new information yet.

@tim-what? your post made zero sense.

mandy you have already claimed holding back your results doesn't help town, unless there is someway you can catch another player in a lie by using your actions, i can't think of any, there is no need to hold back.

[HotShot53]

Mandy is continuing his obstruction of information, even though he is on the very hot seat... usually that's by scum who doesn't have good claims. Since nothing else has come up really, I will vote mandy for all the reasons stated on day 2, since none of them have changed. I will wait a couple days before putting the vote out though since no reason to quick-lynch.

As for tim's post... that is just beyond weird... I have no idea how to even start analyzing it.

[BuJaber]

I'm happy lynching mandy... but no point in doing it now. Not even discussing someone like tokle is totally irresponsible. If you're trying to help you have a funny way of showing it.

[BuJaber]

Also greg you're kinda contradicting yourself.. you say no point in revealing anything but you want mandy to open up. According to new guy you were allegedly visited by a number of people N1 so your info can also be useful.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I'm happy lynching mandy... but no point in doing it now. Not even discussing someone like tokle is totally irresponsible. If you're trying to help you have a funny way of showing it.

What part of Tokies play would you like to discuss?

[mandalorian2298]

@ Mandy are you still sticking to your story of who you are? After rereading about Graendal in this part of the story she was killed and resurrected as an old hag Hessalam not the pretty girl you are claiming.

She is a pretty girl on the Wikia page. If you want to imagine me as an old hag - hey, whatever works for you baby.

[StorrZerg]

Such productive conversation.

[mandalorian2298]

@bujaber, i don't think its a great idea to say anything about my role right now, we had way to many claims yesterday, and we already have some promising leads today, ie cases carried over from yesterday, so i see no need to fish for new information yet.

@tim-what? your post made zero sense.

mandy you have already claimed holding back your results doesn't help town, unless there is someway you can catch another player in a lie by using your actions, i can't think of any, there is no need to hold back.

Actually, I no longer believe there is a Town. I think that it's Light vs. Dark and it looks like Light has too much momentum at this point.

As for my need to hold back: I don't think that it's a good long-term playstyle to give in to bullies. If I had a Mason buddy (which I don't) I would tell him her my night actions to help him get clearer picture. Making the information about my bus-drive public (in a game where there are multiple players with bus-driving power) doesn't help Town (if there is such) in any way that I can imagine. Furthermore, since bus-driving can be both Townie and Scum power, verifying that I posess it (even if such a thing was possible) would in no way prove me to be Townie to the people voting for me.

[StorrZerg]

Yeah, but explaining your motives for your actions can help us determine your alignment

[Ragian]

I'm not sure how you can state as a fact that there are multiple busdrivers. Could you explain that, please?

[new guy1]

Mandy. I see you claimed one of your powers was to busdrive, so does your apprehension to claim what you did lie in the fact that you did not use a busdrive last night? If not, I really don't see a reason to keep your night action to yourself. Nobody will need to claim before the pressure is off of you, and pressure probably won't leave you till you claim them (Night actions), if it does at all, so you're not helping town by stalling. It would help give us time to analyze them and see if they're true or otherwise reveal something. I didn't end up where I planned, so as one example, your claim of actions could clear your name if someone confirmed them. I don't buy your claim, so you can count on my vote if there's not some big reveal otherwise.

FP x3

Ragian stated my main reason for thinking a fake claim has been made. I feel its more likely there is a role with three changes rather than three roles with one change, and his claim of busdriver when it was thought there were two looks like he wanted to get a quick claim in while it looked viable.

[mandalorian2298]

I'm not sure how you can state as a fact that there are multiple busdrivers. Could you explain that, please?

I did not state that fact. Go and re-read.

[mandalorian2298]

Yeah, but explaining your motives for your actions can help us determine your alignment

Give me an example of a Bus drive that would prove my innocence. I'm sorry, make that 'a CLAIMED busdrive' that would prove my innocence.

@New guy I wrote MY reason for not wanting to say whom I drove. If you can't see the reason that I wrote, then I'm afraid that we are at an impasse.

[DoomYoshi]

Yeah, but explaining your motives for your actions can help us determine your alignment

Give me an example of a Bus drive that would prove my innocence. I'm sorry, make that 'a CLAIMED busdrive' that would prove my innocence.

Nothing can. Night actions don't prove innocence or guilt. At least someone in this game understands that fact. Either way, you have to die.

[Ragian]

I'm not sure how you can state as a fact that there are multiple busdrivers. Could you explain that, please?

I did not state that fact. Go and re-read.

SIGH... is it because I wrote "multiple busdrivers"? Let's just say "multiple players with bus-driving power" if that tickles your fancy.

Making the information about my bus-drive public (in a game where there are multiple players with bus-driving power) doesn't help Town [..]

Now, how can you state that as a fact?

[BuJaber]

I'm happy lynching mandy... but no point in doing it now. Not even discussing someone like tokle is totally irresponsible. If you're trying to help you have a funny way of showing it.

What part of Tokies play would you like to discuss?

These are all of Tokle's posts, the last of which is ON PAGE 10, BACK IN DAY 1!

There are groups in these books that could easily be translated into cult, like the children of the light. And their allignment is not always straight forward.
But the forsaken, the ones who follow the dark one, I think they will be the ones who are scum in this game.
I don't remember any other group that would claim to be "dark".

It does seem very quick.

The Trollocs are stupid and guidless, that much is accurate. They would need a fade to spur them on. I don't know dakky well enough to know if he knows the story enough to come up with this story himself. Is he trying to get lynched or is he truly confused about his role?

Anyway, if we have a defenseless Trolloc cornered it would be best to execute it.

vote dakky

Of course, this seems to hinge a lot on dakky not being full of bull...

This is what it boils down to, really. In the series, the book A Memory of Light is all about the final battle between the forces of the Light and the forces of the Dark. Most of the split factions in the series band together for one side or the other. Trollocs are the foot soldier for the Dark. In Rish' first game, "Dark" was the mafia. If dakky wants to argue that his role didn't say mafia, only dark, then I would say that dark equates to informed minority. With the exception of wolf trollocs, trollocs are not intelligent - but this is a mafia game, so I would very much doubt if dakky had to play out his role's flavour intelligence.

This made me thing of something. Considering how the whole saga was written to move the story towards this final battle, with pretty much everyone in the dark about who is alligned with what or who. It could be possible that we are looking not at a minority scum vs majority town setting but one of two or more more or less even groupings. In the story the forsaken, who are on the dark one's side, don't co-operate, they tend rather to compete with each other. The ones on the light side as well don't always pull in the same direction.

All of them are about flavor and speculations about alignment. Add to that his absence. Either he knew all along who is scum, or he's trying to avoid discussing actual cases. He also votes for dakky in the same post where he states that the lynch is happening quickly, and justifies his vote again with flavor, even though at that point it was very clear that dakky will get killed no matter what so really he didn't even have to come up with what I consider an irrelevant reason.

I understand that he's probably busy in real life. But if that's the case AND he's town, he's still not helping us at all.


Sadly this day is clearly not going anywhere useful. Mandy won't talk, nobody else wants to say anything, so if you all want to end this day and move on to another day with no info let's go. Hopefully the busdriving or whatever is going in this game won't hurt us. Let's all play the "hope we win" mafia game.. After all the game didn't end so we must still be majority.. Yay!

Mandy I don't think you would withhold even now if you were town.. so whatever let's get this over with. Unvote Vote Mandy

[Marashu]

So I grossly misunderstood what rish posted, and thought what came after it was just chatter, so I am guilty of having skimmed D3 up until today, which I have rectified.

I'm ok with voting/hammering mandy, but I don't really want to speed lynch. Besides claiming a character who stops being that character as of the book before the one this game is based on (which is the weakest argument imo cuz it's just flavour), he's also been antagonistic towards town this day with a radical change in attitude (claiming busdriver D2 with no real prompt, while D3 is refusing to give any info), and seems to be trying to stir up some more confusion:

Actually, I no longer believe there is a Town. I think that it's Light vs. Dark and it looks like Light has too much momentum at this point.

I've said more than once that I didn't get a town or mafia feel from mandy - to me, it made sense if he was 3P that he would not know anything about the light/dark alignment and was confused for so long about it, since his role PM wouldn't mention either. Since he continues to insist that he's dark, though, I feel like I either misread him, or he's 3P who is harmful to town. Either way, that ship has sailed, and I wouldn't accept a 3P claim from him any more.

With regards to tokle - I think in the last WoT Mafia game, only one of the mafiosi were able to night kill (I might be remembering it wrong). If that's the case in this game and tokle were the mafia's killer, then that might explain both why there was no night kill and why the mod was so frustrated with lack of night actions. If this is the case, then even if he's inactive, if tokle's mafia, we'll need to lynch him eventually anyway (though inactive mafia is way better than active mafia for town, so he might be a low priority lynch).

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

In the last WOT mafia game it was just me and streaker on mafia, and streaker was lynched D1. He had killing powers, they just werent directable if I remember rightly.

[sam_levi_11]

We are already halfway to a lynch, which is exceptionally quick. That said no new information appears to be forthcoming today, with Mandy refusing to give more information and all of us requiring it in order to believe him. Clearly he has something to hide, so vote Mandy, let's just get this moving.

Thanks to BuJaber for pointing out how little Tokle had contributed, it's even less than I thought. FOS Tokle, ideally I'd lynch you today but I don't see it as feasible.

[gregwolf121]

@bujaber, the difference is I haven't claimed anything yet, Mandy has, we know he has busdriver powers.

[mandalorian2298]

Yeah, but explaining your motives for your actions can help us determine your alignment

Give me an example of a Bus drive that would prove my innocence. I'm sorry, make that 'a CLAIMED busdrive' that would prove my innocence.

Nothing can. Night actions don't prove innocence or guilt. At least someone in this game understands that fact. Either way, you have to die.

Likewise, I am glad that someone is content to vote me without the whole "Tell us what you had for breakfast! That might change our mind! Since you refused to post a picture of yourselfself hugging a koala, we have no choice but to lynch you!" act.

Come to think of it, when you guys analyze the bandwagon on me, I suggest paying particular attention to the people who gave a BUNCH of dumb reasons for voting me. In essence, I'm being lynched because you guys don't believe my claim that I'm Graendal and because I acted suspiciously during Days 1 and 2 (not my finest game, this, I agree).

People who honestly believe me to be scum will just vote for me based on those things. However, people who are voting me despite KNOWING that I'm not scum (aka the real scum) feel an urge to justify themselves by emphesizing how their vote is actually my fault. If you believe that you are voting to lynch a scumster or at least someone who is likely to be a scumster, you don't need to justify yourself.

BuJaber, Wing and Hotshot would be my guesses.

[Ragian]

Cheers for that input. Now, could you indulge me?

[Metsfanmax]

It is always entertaining to watch someone insist that the normal conventions of mafia do not apply to them and that their playstyle dictates that they must act differently.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

. In essence, I'm being lynched because .............. I acted suspiciously during Days 1 and 2 (not my finest game, this, I agree). .

Greatest reason there is scumstar. Glad you agree, may as well vote yourself at this point.

[mandalorian2298]

Cheers for that input. Now, could you indulge me?

At some point someone said something about three bus drives being needed to explain something that I skimmed about Mitch 1.0 . Given that I have been given bus driving IN ADDITION to another power, I believe that other players might have been given bus drive in addition to another power.

@Mets Darn, and I was just about to go looking for an "Are you not entertained?" picture. You spoiler. :p