WoT:Mem of Light An Ending

[rishaed]

Mod NOTE: DO NOT IGNORE! My computer with most everything on the setup broke. Certain things will become less frequent than usual. I usually try to keep daily tabs on the game even if im not posting VC's. Also VC's will probably be more subject to have a few mistakes in them as i won't be able to use the software from SG7 that I normally use. Be forwarned. Also will prod Mets and C9. They both haven't shown up recently.

[madmitch]

@ Storr, I can't get a read on Greg, you are right he has been quiet ,he didn't even vote on D3. Mets has also been really quiet.So do we go after the quiet ones or a confirmed mason?

[Metsfanmax]

I feel I should confirm the Mason connection marashu made. I am buj's mason, we are a tracker/watcher pair (either of us could do either, I stuck as watcher for claim purposes and buj stuck as tracker) I can confirm actions as soon as I'm home (in the mountains right now). There is another condition of our role. I feel Mat is dark from the description I found after the scene, and because of our combined role conditions. I have a good idea of who is Mat, though because my action has been tampered with the first two nights, I can't say for complete certainty I saw Mat, but one of us ended up interacting with him. But I am part of the Wild Hunt (should show more results than the hunt) and I still believe that Light is the mafia, as I have not seen a light role show up (would indicate a minority, which I take as scum).

Assuming that this post was the target of the correction that you were talking about Luc and not Mat -- if we agree that Luc is probably Dark and also Luc was being attacked by the [wild] hunt (?) in the scene, why would that give us any confidence that you are town?

[Ragian]

Tokle still playing?

[StorrZerg]

I feel I should confirm the Mason connection marashu made. I am buj's mason, we are a tracker/watcher pair (either of us could do either, I stuck as watcher for claim purposes and buj stuck as tracker) I can confirm actions as soon as I'm home (in the mountains right now). There is another condition of our role. I feel Mat is dark from the description I found after the scene, and because of our combined role conditions. I have a good idea of who is Mat, though because my action has been tampered with the first two nights, I can't say for complete certainty I saw Mat, but one of us ended up interacting with him. But I am part of the Wild Hunt (should show more results than the hunt) and I still believe that Light is the mafia, as I have not seen a light role show up (would indicate a minority, which I take as scum).

Assuming that this post was the target of the correction that you were talking about Luc and not Mat -- if we agree that Luc is probably Dark and also Luc was being attacked by the [wild] hunt (?) in the scene, why would that give us any confidence that you are town?

I'm so used to day scene not having clues. Iirc last game he did have clues. I was about to call out your comment...

[Marashu]

Apologies if my posts get a bit bizarre over the next few days - I am having my wisdom teeth removed in an hour.

I feel I should confirm the Mason connection marashu made. I am buj's mason, we are a tracker/watcher pair (either of us could do either, I stuck as watcher for claim purposes and buj stuck as tracker) I can confirm actions as soon as I'm home (in the mountains right now). There is another condition of our role. I feel Mat is dark from the description I found after the scene, and because of our combined role conditions. I have a good idea of who is Mat, though because my action has been tampered with the first two nights, I can't say for complete certainty I saw Mat, but one of us ended up interacting with him. But I am part of the Wild Hunt (should show more results than the hunt) and I still believe that Light is the mafia, as I have not seen a light role show up (would indicate a minority, which I take as scum).

Assuming that this post was the target of the correction that you were talking about Luc and not Mat -- if we agree that Luc is probably Dark and also Luc was being attacked by the [wild] hunt (?) in the scene, why would that give us any confidence that you are town?

My take on it in the scene was that it mentioned eyes on him. Seems to line up with that it was some sort of investigative role.

@newguy, I agree that holding your information for now might be a good way of catching someone in a lie later. That said, I'm surprised Storr hasn't been pushing for a mass claim to break the game, and has instead been happy to go for the low-hanging fruit.

@mitch, I'm certain Storr is suspicious of wing, too. asking people's opinions about other players can be a good way of getting information about that player.

Right now, Doom seems town to me, and I'm willing to believe newguy's claim for now. vote stealing seems like a mafia power, so it would be super wifom-y for them to target Storr if he was mafia, so I'm giving him a pass for now. I'm a bit concerned about the sam train. I feel like there's been a lot of pushing for only one candidate each day. If he is scum, though, it is justified. Sam, why are you town?

I'm also guessing for now 5 mafia seems about right for a game of this size. In my opinion, I'm not willing to lynch Doom, newguy, and Storr. That leaves 5/10 players, so basically 50/50 chance of hitting scum among Tim, Wing, aage, greg, hotshot, ragian, commander, sam, mitch, and mets. I'd like to hear commander's thoughts about anything before putting him on the chopping block. I'm interested in seeing the sam wagon, and am surprised at how little resistance there is on that one. We've already mislynched mitch once for being mitch, so I'm hesitant to do it again. I would be ok with a greg lynch, and possibly a mets lynch.

[Metsfanmax]

Apologies if my posts get a bit bizarre over the next few days - I am having my wisdom teeth removed in an hour.

I feel I should confirm the Mason connection marashu made. I am buj's mason, we are a tracker/watcher pair (either of us could do either, I stuck as watcher for claim purposes and buj stuck as tracker) I can confirm actions as soon as I'm home (in the mountains right now). There is another condition of our role. I feel Mat is dark from the description I found after the scene, and because of our combined role conditions. I have a good idea of who is Mat, though because my action has been tampered with the first two nights, I can't say for complete certainty I saw Mat, but one of us ended up interacting with him. But I am part of the Wild Hunt (should show more results than the hunt) and I still believe that Light is the mafia, as I have not seen a light role show up (would indicate a minority, which I take as scum).

Assuming that this post was the target of the correction that you were talking about Luc and not Mat -- if we agree that Luc is probably Dark and also Luc was being attacked by the [wild] hunt (?) in the scene, why would that give us any confidence that you are town?

My take on it in the scene was that it mentioned eyes on him. Seems to line up with that it was some sort of investigative role.

Oh yeah? Do investigators normally throw hammers at the people they are investigating, and describe them as "prey?"

[madmitch]

`What!! When did Thor arrive in this game ? Actually that is a good point Mets

[StorrZerg]

Actually let's lynch commander. Or greg.

[sam_levi_11]

Apologies if my posts get a bit bizarre over the next few days - I am having my wisdom teeth removed in an hour.

I feel I should confirm the Mason connection marashu made. I am buj's mason, we are a tracker/watcher pair (either of us could do either, I stuck as watcher for claim purposes and buj stuck as tracker) I can confirm actions as soon as I'm home (in the mountains right now). There is another condition of our role. I feel Mat is dark from the description I found after the scene, and because of our combined role conditions. I have a good idea of who is Mat, though because my action has been tampered with the first two nights, I can't say for complete certainty I saw Mat, but one of us ended up interacting with him. But I am part of the Wild Hunt (should show more results than the hunt) and I still believe that Light is the mafia, as I have not seen a light role show up (would indicate a minority, which I take as scum).

Assuming that this post was the target of the correction that you were talking about Luc and not Mat -- if we agree that Luc is probably Dark and also Luc was being attacked by the [wild] hunt (?) in the scene, why would that give us any confidence that you are town?

My take on it in the scene was that it mentioned eyes on him. Seems to line up with that it was some sort of investigative role.

@newguy, I agree that holding your information for now might be a good way of catching someone in a lie later. That said, I'm surprised Storr hasn't been pushing for a mass claim to break the game, and has instead been happy to go for the low-hanging fruit.

@mitch, I'm certain Storr is suspicious of wing, too. asking people's opinions about other players can be a good way of getting information about that player.

Right now, Doom seems town to me, and I'm willing to believe newguy's claim for now. vote stealing seems like a mafia power, so it would be super wifom-y for them to target Storr if he was mafia, so I'm giving him a pass for now. I'm a bit concerned about the sam train. I feel like there's been a lot of pushing for only one candidate each day. If he is scum, though, it is justified. Sam, why are you town?

I'm also guessing for now 5 mafia seems about right for a game of this size. In my opinion, I'm not willing to lynch Doom, newguy, and Storr. That leaves 5/10 players, so basically 50/50 chance of hitting scum among Tim, Wing, aage, greg, hotshot, ragian, commander, sam, mitch, and mets. I'd like to hear commander's thoughts about anything before putting him on the chopping block. I'm interested in seeing the sam wagon, and am surprised at how little resistance there is on that one. We've already mislynched mitch once for being mitch, so I'm hesitant to do it again. I would be ok with a greg lynch, and possibly a mets lynch.

Sorry if this is my being stupid but I honestly don't understand what you want me to answer here? I'm not sure I understand the question

Wing thoughts on greg

My thoughts are that the killer appears to be mostly inactive. Missed death with no shouts of doc etc. No one really challenging either of us.

Doom, Greg, Newguy could be of the semi active as their comments are always empty. But I cannot name 14 players in this game.

This has been something I was thinking about yesterday, the missed kill would surely point to someone who was inactive during that phase of the game. Greg & Tokle were the most inactive around that time, but Greg actually did make a post shortly before lynch, whereas Tokle didn't. Tokle has been basically entirely inactive through out so I'll vote Tokle.

[rishaed]

VC:
Sam-aage
Newguy1- Storr
Sam_levi- WGC


Note: Tokle was replaced by C9 view N3 notes.

[DoomYoshi]

Oh, look, I have no vote. Good, I don't want to be on that wagon anyways, now that wing is on it.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Wing thoughts on greg

My thoughts are that the killer appears to be mostly inactive. Missed death with no shouts of doc etc. No one really challenging either of us.

Doom, Greg, Newguy could be of the semi active as their comments are always empty. But I cannot name 14 players in this game.

This has been something I was thinking about yesterday, the missed kill would surely point to someone who was inactive during that phase of the game. Greg & Tokle were the most inactive around that time, but Greg actually did make a post shortly before lynch, whereas Tokle didn't. Tokle has been basically entirely inactive through out so I'll vote Tokle.

How are you expecting us to believe you are actively playing if you vote for a player who has been replaced?

I dont like Mars post, 5 Mafia? Is that including or not including StrikeWolf? In a Rish game with ludicrous rolls its going to be less, maybe three. Just read really wierdly.

[new guy1]

I feel I should confirm the Mason connection marashu made. I am buj's mason, we are a tracker/watcher pair (either of us could do either, I stuck as watcher for claim purposes and buj stuck as tracker) I can confirm actions as soon as I'm home (in the mountains right now). There is another condition of our role. I feel Mat is dark from the description I found after the scene, and because of our combined role conditions. I have a good idea of who is Mat, though because my action has been tampered with the first two nights, I can't say for complete certainty I saw Mat, but one of us ended up interacting with him. But I am part of the Wild Hunt (should show more results than the hunt) and I still believe that Light is the mafia, as I have not seen a light role show up (would indicate a minority, which I take as scum).

Assuming that this post was the target of the correction that you were talking about Luc and not Mat -- if we agree that Luc is probably Dark and also Luc was being attacked by the [wild] hunt (?) in the scene, why would that give us any confidence that you are town?

I was uninformed he was Luc before the scene, that should be pretty clear considering I referenced the scene as my point of knowing who Luc was.

To answer other questions floating around, but not be completely transparent:

I feel I should confirm the Mason connection marashu made. I am buj's mason, we are a tracker/watcher pair (either of us could do either, I stuck as watcher for claim purposes and buj stuck as tracker) I can confirm actions as soon as I'm home (in the mountains right now). There is another condition of our role. I feel Mat is dark from the description I found after the scene, and because of our combined role conditions. I have a good idea of who is Mat, though because my action has been tampered with the first two nights, I can't say for complete certainty I saw Mat, but one of us ended up interacting with him. But I am part of the Wild Hunt (should show more results than the hunt) and I still believe that Light is the mafia, as I have not seen a light role show up (would indicate a minority, which I take as scum).

[StorrZerg]

Either claim something helpful or post something about lynching someone. To many people are inactive doing nothing or posting little. Your last post was honestly useless.

[DoomYoshi]

Here's the scene again:

As the time went on. The Hunt was on. Luc felt the burning golden gaze on his back. The hammer tried to connect. But he shifted, Shifted, Shifted. HOWLING in anger the prey escaped. The Hunt would go on.

I'm not sure we can read too much into it. I am willing to believe new guy for only one reason and that's that nobody has counterclaimed the mason part. I am less likely to believe sam-levi as I'm not sure Mat is even in the game.

I'm willing to support a wing lynch at this point. I don't like how he followed me onto sam_levi, almost feels like it's too easy a lynch for him to try and push. Mandy called him scum, and now that Mandy is confirmed town, I am willing to believe him. Mandy's crazy hunches have laser accuracy. Wing isn't exactly being clear about his meaning sometimes. What I witnessed on day 1 (for those who didn't bother to read): he kept pushing mets, trying to set up a scumhunt lynch. He knows full well mets wasn't defending dakky, and then set up a pincer trap (if dakky flips town, mets is scum; if dakky flips scum, mets is scum). Also he latched onto aage either trying to set up a lynch for later or trying to WIFOM protect his scum partner. If anyone wants, I can go back and quote the posts.

[DoomYoshi]

and madmitch is pretty quiet, which means he's probably wing's partnerino.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Please do quote the posts.

This should be interesting

[sam_levi_11]

Wing thoughts on greg

My thoughts are that the killer appears to be mostly inactive. Missed death with no shouts of doc etc. No one really challenging either of us.

Doom, Greg, Newguy could be of the semi active as their comments are always empty. But I cannot name 14 players in this game.

This has been something I was thinking about yesterday, the missed kill would surely point to someone who was inactive during that phase of the game. Greg & Tokle were the most inactive around that time, but Greg actually did make a post shortly before lynch, whereas Tokle didn't. Tokle has been basically entirely inactive through out so I'll vote Tokle.

How are you expecting us to believe you are actively playing if you vote for a player who has been replaced?

I dont like Mars post, 5 Mafia? Is that including or not including StrikeWolf? In a Rish game with ludicrous rolls its going to be less, maybe three. Just read really wierdly.

Almost like, as I mentioned a few days ago, I've just moved and therefor have had more on my mind. My apologies, lord

[new guy1]

Either claim something helpful or post something about lynching someone. To many people are inactive doing nothing or posting little. Your last post was honestly useless.

I did not have a lead, however I was reading and saw questions come up. Figure better to answer now than let it fester. I still want to see what C9 has to say, and would agree with DY that Mitch has seemed more quiet this time around than during his last run, or at least seemed more present during his first role. I'll have to go back to reread, but if DY's summary of wing's actions is accurate, then he may be someone to look into, though from what I recall, it would seem he is just going for leads and the main quarrel Mandy had with him was based on meta (that may have been someone else's mentioning, though), so I don't know how I feel about locking on to an otherwise active player based on mostly meta, if that is the case. I'll try to find time for at least a quick readthrough of day one (I never have been able to pick things from day one for a successful case, so I'm not going to try on my first game back), and a solid read on the other days to see if I can pick anything out.

fp x 2 - I would appreciate the quotes too, but will otherwise come to them in my reading.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, the buddying up to aage:

Spoiler

Vote Aage

Cause it will make me happy

Last game I was never really sure whether me and Streaker were mafia or a third party, didnt help that players kept dying without me killing them cause of Endgame vigging.

Aage, are we hunting for the the evil bloke and his henchmen again? Bets on Mets being the evil bloke?

Right Dakky, what faction are you? We will tell you if your town or mafia.

Can I use this one next game? That worked splendidly.

Yeah, slightly disappointed by how easy that was. Aage almost threw it away by giving the faction names which I was explicitly avoiding. Almost like he was throwing breadcrumbs to Dakky...

(At this point I think too many people have been trying to help Dakky, Aage and Mets most blatantly, but its still too many to all be scum)

All of you people pre-emptively going after dakky, that's pretty weak. If he flips town then you all get to play the "oops, well he probably had it coming anyway" card and I'm going to bet there's at least one scum on that.

At least give him a full 24 hours of day time so that he can really earn your lynch first.

This would be the defending post I would think.

It's not bad advice for town either. Pressuring accountability on people.

The first part stunk of trying to gain town cred post Dakkys lynch. Dakky flips scum, no harm done. Dakky flips town, Mets claims to have been the sensible townie and town cred.

The second part of his post was basically pointless when we couldnt lynch for 24hrs anyway. And that Mets only requoted that bit says a lot.

Clearly Dakky isnt in an inner circle otherwise he almost certaintly would have been chatting to his new scum mates N0, or at least seen he was in a gang. No harm for Mets to be the voice of reason in a lynch that was unstoppable anyway.

Aage give me time, barely ttying to frame you, waiting for a proper slip up.

You know when you are mafia and you have buddies to talk to. Well in games where there are other hidden mafia they are not aware of you get an inner circle of buddies and the others.

Think White Rose in Surprise Mafia. Yeah that game I ended up modding for blooming ages....

In this case Dakky wouldnt be acting this way if he had buddies to talk to. Ergo inner circle must exist outside of him.

Vote Aage - Cause.

In more useful information (repeat as you all ignored it last time), when I was the mafia boss in the last WoT game with Streaker as my sidekick I was never told I was mafia, only that I was in the Shadow. Conjecture meant that I was probably the evil guy due to being able to kill and roleblock at night as well as being the books evil dude, but it was never explicitly stated.

Can we get a vote going as to whether Streaker or Dakky had the worse start to their respective games? Streaker started in style in the last WoT game too.

Doom. If Dark players are the majority town, why are you vohing Dakky?

Sure you dont have to reveal your alignment, but you do have to explain why your actions dont match your words.

Aage I am aware this day is pointless, Mets has gone quiet so I have nothing more to interegate. This is why I concentrate on the more important issue of getting you lynched for personal enjoyment.

Oh wait no, Mets why are you silent? Scared you will make further slip ups?

Storr, youve never been particularly witty in these.

That's 6 of 11 posts post-confirm which mentioned aage, and usually in a "talking to aage" kind of way. If he was scum, he's probably looking for allies. If you read his pre-game chat it indicates that he isn't aware too much of the story as he was furiously googling the last game but was trumped by aage who actually knew the story. This is pretty important since his main case on mandy is based purely on flavor.

Right here is the pincer trap:

All of you people pre-emptively going after dakky, that's pretty weak. If he flips town then you all get to play the "oops, well he probably had it coming anyway" card and I'm going to bet there's at least one scum on that.

At least give him a full 24 hours of day time so that he can really earn your lynch first.

This would be the defending post I would think.

It's not bad advice for town either. Pressuring accountability on people.

The first part stunk of trying to gain town cred post Dakkys lynch. Dakky flips scum, no harm done. Dakky flips town, Mets claims to have been the sensible townie and town cred.

The second part of his post was basically pointless when we couldnt lynch for 24hrs anyway. And that Mets only requoted that bit says a lot.

Then there is the VT claim with little provocation. Wing should know better, even if the current site meta supports blurting out roles. VT is already the scummiest claim (yea, I know what he actually claimed).

I don't think I have a vote today, but if anyone wants to lynch wing, it's no harm done, based on his claim. You could say we are losing a good player, but he hasn't help town at all, so he is a liability at this point.

[DoomYoshi]

Think Mitch has been lynched.

Mandy is scum dammit. Suspicious claim that doesnt really fit? Yeah that sounds suspiciously like rish fake claims to me...

Sorry I forgot to quote this which is the only time wing actually was willing to say what his claim against mandy was. That's a pretty typical mafia tactic - not actually giving reasons for what you do.

Finally, here's the scummy as hell claim:

Dakky and IB were not 3rd party.

I say this as a Trolloc.

I am Dark.

I have a one time night action, so very close to vt.

If you want proof I can give the alternative answer as to why I interpreted Dakkys claim into inner circle very quickly. I also have no idea who the strong characters are on our side, I was assuming we were mafia.

Bujaber, I hope this clarifies why I didnt lynch Dakky.

Just for fun, here's the quote where wing says his buddying up to aage was actually on purpose:

Is no one going to ask me why I asked specifically for Aages opinion on game thematics? Answer that and his posts make sense.

Sadly by sticking my neck a little bit above the parapet I cant just attempt to lynch Aage with zero evidence anymore as others may actually follow me.

Buj, no I did not use a vig power last night. I may or may not be a vig, i may or may not have used my power. But no I didnt kill IB and ax stated I am not Mat.

Mandy. I didnt lynch Dakky.

On the subject of Storr, I have seen him play like this before, but cant remember when. So I will let yoj know what follow the Storr style means about his alignment if I remember.

[HotShot53]

I am starting to seriously suspect wing and storr as scum and working together... doom's case on wing looks good, I could support that.

As for newguy, I believe him, he was hinting at being a watcher/tracker long ago, his claim about being half of the wild hunt seems to fit with the scene.

For sam, he's not playing too good, don't know if it's because he's scum or if it's just because he isn't paying attention enough. But he should be watched...

For Tim, I still don't know why he went so wacky yesterday... he also hasn't been much help in the game, I would also consider voting him.

But overall, the way wing has jumped on the wrong cases and doom's case on him make him my most likely scum candidate so far today, so I will vote wing

[Ragian]

The reason I asked about tokle was that he still is listed on the player list in the first post. Obviously, Rish mentioned that he was replaced, but the pace of this game made me seek assurance. Perhaps Sam had similar issues.

I like Doom's thoughts on Wing and Storr. I like Storr more than Wing, though.

Also, I'd add that arguing for lynching barely active players based on the fact that one night we didn't have a death is irresponsible and smells of role fishing. If I were scum - especially I this game where they're ahead - I'd make sure to get my kill in. After work, I'll take a closer look at whoever proposed this. I think that's a decent lead.

[madmitch]

I LIKE THE IDEAL OF LYNCHING WING, his unending attack on Mandy was scummy. I would also like to get C9 opinion on things, but for now vote wing