Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[strike wolf]

@chu: Admittedly I made the comment about long posts partly out of frustration. I mostly only have access to my phone during the day and trying to read nothing but walls of essays isn't the easiest thing so it is frustrating when some of those walls of texts don't seem to add much to the game. I stick by bringing it up but admit, I should be more specific and will once I have double checked names to make sure I didn't get mixed up on who posted what.

My case on Kwan is pretty straightforward. More or less as Chu said, he is posting a lot of fluff and not much thought. I know it doesn't sound that exciting compared to possible slips by others but catching fluff posters has proven pretty accurate for me in the past and I would urge others to at least consider it.

My main scum right now would be Kwan, Tim and possibly Serbia. Kwan for above. Tim because of the questioning dakkys knowledge of team rocket comment and then backing off and this latest fiasco which apart from being behind in the game just seems desperate to put anything together. Serbia beyond what others have said, just gives off the feeling he is connected to Tim. Backing him up on the team rocket vote. Being a bit wishy washy on where he stands on Tim. It just doesn't sit quite right.

Masket case was interesting at first but I feel at this point, he is more likely just trying a bit too hard to clear himself with flavor than scum trying to cover up their slip.

[HotShot53]

Continuing:

I think Serbia has been more active than whoever it was who said he was quiet thinks. He's not the most active but he's better than a lot (including myself) in this game. The only thing that really stood out to me about him was his position on the Tim vs Dakky argument and him reversing his position on Dakky Vs Tim. Cant quite tell if it is flip flopping or legitimate confusion on his part.

Mitch is Mitch. My position is basically the same as Hotshot's on this matter. I have no legitimate objection to the lynch but I don't really plan on pushing for it either with the information we have now.

Now someone who is not making mega posts but I feel is a bit sparse in content: Kwanton:

Spoiler

vote kwan

[Bugcatcher Kwanton wants to battle!]

[Send out Pikachu?]

[Yes]

Go Pikachu! Use Thunderbolt on Kwanton!

[It's super eff-]

Oh uhh...ahem...excuse me...

Vote Kwanton because he voted himself and that's always suspicious.

Where was Pokemon roles mentioned? I assumed it would all be trainers. Then again my memory of the Indigo series is very fuzzy. I know there've been loads of trainers introduced over the years but perhaps there weren't that many way back then.

First, I hate bugs. Second, voting for me is a scum tell so im gonna add you to my FOS list.

I'm kinda confused if that was a role claim or not, but even if it wasn't, asking about roles like that seems like fishing for information.

EBWOP

Mandy, you shouldn't have to EBWOP. Mods are above the rules! (and it makes the thread look cleaner)

Maybe my comment was a slip-up but I was only referencing the role talks from a couple pages before. Honestly I don't mind making myself a night-time target possibility because there's so much ambiguity on roles / night actions at this early stage that it's almost impossible to predict what will happen. It sure beats being the Day 1 Lynchee.
A good Town Doc player watching closely combined with some daring posting can be effective in screwing over early game Scum plans.

IIRC Mandy said he was gonna try and not do many of the classic mafia roles. I wouldn't bank on a doc.

EBWOP

#3 under updates on the first post:

3. No, or almost no (I'm still working on figuring out playable alternatives for the last two roles), "classic" Mafia powers are going to feature in this game.

Wonder if this counts for scum as well as town. Could scum maybe be able to do something else besides kill at night since thats what they classically do?

I have a strange feeling about Nark & Wing... they keep fighting, accusing each other, and then they both go into "ignore" mode... like they did a show and now they look like mortal enemies. If the assumption is correct that there are multiple trainers, pokemons, teams, whatever, they will get a free pass to the endgame since no one will link them together even if they're part of assumed Team Rocket. If one dies, no one will suspect the other. Pretty smart I'd say, so let's keep eyes open.

Only problem with this idea is that there was no night 0 in this game amd these are two people who have never played with each other. Would be impressive if they managed to coordinate that with no prior communication.

You're on point about the ignoring bit tho. Getting pissy because you can't handle snark and ignoring someone is not helpful.

I really don't understand this bandwagon on Minister. They're an older player, they always seemed a bit scummy when I played with them back in the day even though they were a simple townie. They slipped up a lot. I'm just not buying that the slip up was intentional and even if it was, he did try and semi-claim townie... Why are we trying to get rid of a townie when there are big enough to fry? Unless the people voting MM are trainers also and want to win (and be the very best!)

The way the arguments for and against people are going is really striking me as odd. I haven't played mafia in years so I'm obviously a bit rusty, but these arguments just don't swing me either way. I'm looking out for the ones being the most aggressive and pointing fingers every which way (hence the FOS on Nark and Wing)

I'm with you on the minister bandwagon. From what I remember this is how he is. We'd bandwagon him due to a slip up and he'd end up being like a vanilla townie

First of all did Kwanton really vote for himself? and if so... why the hell is he still on a joke vote?

Yeah. I do that every game. It's my thing. Ask the other vets.

unvote



vote kwanton

So out of those, I count maybe 3 with any real substance to them. So subtracting the obligatory opening joke vote makes about 50% of what he said filler. Furthermore, to fill out his impressive resume of posts, he finishes with no real conclusions drawn about anyone.

Unvote Vote Kwan

If there is one thing worse than a bandwagonner, it's someone who has given no opinions about anyone or any of the cases, yet makes posts so he's not inactive. He's either scummarizing, or needs some encouragement to start participating... so I will vote Kwanton.

[BuJaber]

Let's go one by one.
@MM - Eh, what would his lynch answer? You're staying it'll provide teh most answers but what will it give us. I can see how he's suspcious but I don't think lynching him makes any more answers compared to anyone else. Also I counter that he's a good actor, but then again if he's scum he's also not the best scum either. (Sorry MM)

It could be helpful for me to decide if I can trust people voting for the same person I am. (And for everyone else, they have a bunch of voters they can analyze).
It could provide some solid information on trainers that proves/disproves theories, and again, allows us to analyze the people who were obsessed with figuring out how they fit in the game.

At that time of me posting that quote MM had the most votes, and the trainer debate was going on for a while, being the biggest flavor-related discussion and involved a lot of the players, therefore I said most answers. Yes maybe it's optimistic, but there comes a point where we'll have to reread every post very carefully after a few flips, and then we'll be able to find suspicious behavior among those that speculated about flavor (more or less everyone), and I think MM would be one of those lynches that can split up the players into groups for analysis.

Plus of course, Talapus' case on him, makes sense to me personally... Why would he reject completely the idea that team rocket could be considered trainers? Don't they "train" pokemon?

[mandalorian2298]

Bad news: Next VC is going to be in no less the 8 hours, probably more, since my tablet didn't charge and now I am stuck with only my rapidly draining phone for the surfwebbing.

Also, will check Spurg's activity when I'm fully net-capable again. Dakky and Fircoal, please don't be so strict with Wing for he is such a gentle, sensitive soul.

[Skoffin]

For the legion thing -
Problems with your posts, up to the point that I brought it up; was that your first few posts were just to say you were reading, then you basically admitted to being a trainer and/or scum, or at least if you are a pokemon you have claimed third party, usual fluff commentary on the game that everyone seems to be making and then just went on to echo the same sentiments already expressed, then we got to the tim and the FP'd comment.
However, you are not my biggest fish at the moment so I'm not currently interested in a rehash of things.
I will simply note a quote you made, which is where I got the idea that you highlighted your role.

So I think it's fair to assume based on the intro that there are at least 3 factions; Scum (Team Rocket), Town (Trainer) and 3rd party (Pokemans).

In any case, all this talk of fluff and contributions has given me an MAZING, SUPER DUPER CLEVER idea. An idea so clever you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel. Hold onto your hats until I can unleash this beast!

Fircoal - you know, your long posts here have surprised me as it's not what I remember you for back in the day. Then again maybe I shouldn't be that surprised as it has been a good while, weren't like like 16 at the time Anyway, gotta say, your posts are a bit of a mess - that last post went on but ultimately you just said the same few things over and over (and over) again.

Anyoen care for my thoughts on Marashu? Also, do we have a deadline, Mandy the Mod?

Why are you asking us if we want to hear it? Why not just... say it?

Plus of course, Talapus' case on him, makes sense to me personally... Why would he reject completely the idea that team rocket could be considered trainers? Don't they "train" pokemon?

Buh? wha? fa? guh? He literally said that he thinks Team rocket are trainers. The only thing he said regarding a team rocket member NOT being a trainer was Giovanni. It's literally quoted by Talapus.
Where are people getting the notion that Masket outright rejected the idea of any trainers being bad?

[Minister Masket]

[BIG TALAPUS POST]

Okaaaaaaaay then. It looks like most of your argument is built on you simply misunderstanding my point rather than outright malice, which makes me quite relieved I didn't switch my vote from Exile.
Not gonna quote all of it because that's untidy, but here's the main points:

Cheers for the support. I also counter-agree on Team Rocket being trainers.

Wiki disagrees with you. Plus the past roles of the characters as a pokemon coordinator for one of them and the fact they both went to a trainer type school makes this very hard for me to buy they can't be considered as trainers.

Not disagree. AGREE. I was AGREEING that Team Rocket were trainers. I know I put 'counter' in there but that was just me acknowledging his post. It wasn't meant to read as 'Disagree'.

1) Way to ignore what my point actually was. It wasn't about their ages. It was about being associated with the Professor (Oak). The Professors have only ever given Pokemon to 'good' trainers (apart from 'rivals' like Gary Oak, but they usually turned out not so bad in the end).
And in Mandy's scene we have Oak once again sending some kids out on their way with some Pokemon. So your point about these trainers is completely nonsensical at best.

Actually, he hands out pokemon to beginning trainers starting out. Not necessarily good or evil and as you have already agreed to ideas of cult like roles being in the game than a trainer could most certainly become town or mafia aligned. On top of this fact that I have stated above the team rocket members can clearly be considered trainers as can Giovanni which Chu mentioned to you earlier in a post. So nonsensical? Not so much...but nice try.

2) And now you're putting words in my mouth. I literally said a few pages back that the odds of htting a scum trainer are bad because I have an inkling that there will be more town trainers than scum. Read: I have full confidence that Team Rocket are in the game and are also considered trainers. I also said I believe Gary Oak might be around, possibly as 3rd party. Now you tell me how you got "all trainers are good/town" from that?

Cheers for the support. I also counter-agree on Team Rocket being trainers.

Pot, meet kettle...LOL

I can see I've picked up a few votes, but for anyone else watching, I think Mandy's story clue here is important.
Those kid trainers are almost 100% certain to be 'town' trainers. As for Team Rocket, while yes, it's likely they'll be here, it's by no means guaranteed. Giovanni I would say is likely sitting in the 'godfather' role, but he was never really a 'trainer' per se. More like a businessman who constantly got he lackies doing his work for him.

Don't think he's been mentioned yet but Gary Oak might be here too, maybe in a 3rd party capacity.

In a nutshell, I don't believe those are good enough odds to target what you believe is a trainer. You're more likely to hit town.

I do not believe for a second that these trainers are going to be scum.

So...let me see if I got this right. Team rocket...not trainers. Giovanni, not a trainer. Almost 100% certain the "town" trainers are the ones professor Oak handed out the Pokemon too. Then you back it up by saying you don't believe for a second that those particular trainers are scum. Sounds to me like my arguments weren't built on lies at all...just your awful way with words and not understanding what you are saying. Because based on this you are telling us all trainers are obviously town.

So alllllll of this we can completely disregard because it's just me saying that I think Team Rocket are trainers, and not me contradicting myself. Nice try though.
Giovanni could go either way - Fircoal has said some equally good things about him - or he could not be in the game at all. My only real conviction with him is that if mandy has used a conventional Mafia Godfather role (hardly certain), then he would be my top pick for the character most likely to fit it.

Fast posting before heading out, I'm I'm just responding to what Tal just posted now.

I don't see what you are getting at in regards to Masket's wording. As I understood it he was saying that Team rocket can be trainers (which is true), the kids Oak sent out are trainers (which is true) and trainers can have a mix of town/scum (which is assumed true). The trainers of Team Rocket have NOTHING to do with Professor Oak, therefore Professor Oak did not hand out any pokemon to any mafia team. So his comment that those kid trainers are not mafia is a fair assessment. I'm not getting where you are going with this.

Buh? wha? fa? guh? He literally said that he thinks Team rocket are trainers. The only thing he said regarding a team rocket member NOT being a trainer was Giovanni. It's literally quoted by Talapus.
Where are people getting the notion that Masket outright rejected the idea of any trainers being bad?

Also THIS. Though for a few people it's just looking for bandwagon justification.
Talapus may be targeting me but for now it looks like it could be just misinformed behaviour, not scummy. My vote stays with Exile for now.

[Ragian]

Oh rip the one thing I did forget to put in here. Since Team Rocket are trainers, it'd make sense if they also were paired up with a pokemon from day1, making it easier to find them if we looked at the pool of trainer/pokemon pairings. At first I've just assumed that Team Rocket and the unknown assailant were one and the same, but thinking about it more, I'm pretty sure the unknown assailant is unrelated to team rocket. I don't remember team rocket being killers exactly, so it wouldn't make much sense if they were what sounds like a serial killer. Which means this SK is def a problem to worry about, but we don't really have a concrete way to find them yet. Team Rocket, if my theory is correct, could be found a bit more easily.

I'm not sure what you mean by "rip". It wasn't too important for context, though. I agree that if an SK is loose, we can't say exactly who it is at this point, but it defo stresses the importance of looking at strange/scummy behaviour. Now, how exactly does it work looking at the pool of trainer/pokemon pairs that you mention? Are you privy to information about such pairings or are you just airing this as the way to go if we gain such knowledge? That's why you're saying "theory", right?

*notes HotShot's joke comment*

*notes mets noting HotShot's joke comment*

Also, who is chu?

*notes Hotshot accusing others of inactivity*

Anyoen care for my thoughts on Marashu? Also, do we have a deadline, Mandy the Mod?

Why are you asking us if we want to hear it? Why not just... say it?

Say what exactly? My thoughts? I posted my thoughts. Now, I want people's opinion(s) on them. Did you not read my thoughts?

[legionnare]

How do you get this:

I believe Tim is a trainer for Team Rocket and since legion seems to be protecting him he must be one of tims pokemons.

from this?:

@Wing, care to qualify your case on Tim? I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy

@Legion ,it was this statement that caught my EYE

- (fixed the quote)

I would call it a stretch in the extreme if there was any logic to it but there isn't. If I was the suspicious type of person then I would say that you are quite badly attempting to shift the heat from yourself.

[madmitch]

I will try to explain my last post,there was the Dakky AND Tim conversation about Team Rocket then tim backed away like he was hiding something, a MEMBER OF TEAM ROCKET?. MM soft claimed trainer ,but I believe he is good , there is a connection between WCG and NARK ,I am not sure really who is trainer and pokemon, also there is a connection between Doom and SKITTLES same problem who is who ? Samlen makes a lot of comments but has not really commited to anything almost like he is running wild and Exile said he didn't like trainers so he must be a pokemon, That is what I am thinking but I could be completely wrong.

[legionnare]

So, even though you have put MINIMAL effort into this game, you think I should think back 5-9 years ago to the games I played with these people and analyze each player? First, piss off. Second, I have had far too much bourbon, have moved too many times, have changed jobs a few, and have had far too many life experiences to actually remember that... That guy you ate with at work for years, what did he eat everyday? That is basically what you are asking of me, and that is patently absurd. After this long, most people are not going to play the exact same way anyway. We have all grown, and a few of us have even matured... To try and meta that is a waste of my time. But next time you ask me to spend hours on one post just to assuage your fears, do me a favor and right more than two or three sentences at a time.

I'm sorry if you think that I'm putting in minimal effort but it would fair to say I am putting considerably more effort into this game than a some folk and that I feel that I am doing fairly well considering my lack of experience.
Perhaps I mis-worded my question; my intent was not to suggest that you spend hours analyzing each player, merely that if you had any experience of playing with Minister Masket and madmitch (the current lynch candidates) and if you did then in general how do feel about their playstyle in this game in comparison to others.

[Anarkistsdream]

Also, who is chu?

Fircoal is Chu... Because he is a wee little pikachu lover...

Perhaps I mis-worded my question; my intent was not to suggest that you spend hours analyzing each player, merely that if you had any experience of playing with Minister Masket and madmitch (the current lynch candidates) and if you did then in general how do feel about their playstyle in this game in comparison to others.

Madmitch is new... Never played a game with the guy...

Minister was always quiet... He makes some great arguments occasionally, but I can't think of any game where he blew my mind with a revelation or anything. Not to say he isn't helpful or a team player...

Again, metagaming does no good when it has been so long (years) since I have even talked to some of these people. For instance, everyone knows I am an aggressive player. But I also post at least twice a day. I try to keep the game going, mainly because the mods put so long into getting this going, and then lurkers and lazy people kill it. However, how is knowing that I am aggressive going to make any impact on this game, with, as Mandalorian said, it has no traditional mafia roles and does not work like a traditional mafia game? Hit Points, for instance... So, knowing how somebody played in the past is, at best, merely going to confuse the current situation.

There ya go.

[legionnare]

Now, back to Marashu: Apparently, he war 3rd party last game. This game, I get a similar vibe from him. To me, it seems that he limits his posts to flavour discussion and necessary comments on already revealed back-and-forths between the players rather than contributing and voting. For that, I'll vote Marashu

Can't comment on the previous game he was in but as for this one I concur, the only exception possibly being:

I find this mitchwagon interesting - Tim and mitch are both rather erratic players, but it was interesting that there seemed to be a bit of resistance to the case on Tim, while mitch has had 4 votes in the last 3 hours. That said, I'm usually ok with either of them being lynched D1 and this is no exception.

Still no vote though not even a joke one, which I find odd.

[legionnare]

@Anark, my thanks. As I said, I'm not too experienced so trying shift my playstyle to fit a non-standard set up is...difficult. (Talk about throwing myself into the deep end when I decided to give Mafia another go )

[Anarkistsdream]

@Anark, my thanks. As I said, I'm not too experienced so trying shift my playstyle to fit a non-standard set up is...difficult. (Talk about throwing myself into the deep end when I decided to give Mafia another go )

Never trust Mandalorian... He makes games just to confuse the hell out of people...

[madmitch]

@ Nark ,good point, and I am easily confused might be the meds I'm on

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

When I first read Tals post I liked it. However, Markets clarification raises a very good point.

I DONT CARE WHETHER TRAINERS ARE YOUNG OR OLD. STOP DISCUSSING IT. A TRAINER IS A TRAINER.

If you refer to different terminology for types of trainer then you open up stuff for miscommunication. And at this point it is purely speculation with zero purpose. So just dont do it.

And on a related note. Is anyone going to discuss why Tim felt the need to bring up a so called "elite four" as scum. So he has swung from pretending not to understand Pokemon, to understanding the mechanics of this game in depth.

Guys stop ignoring it.

@Dakky, and I told Mandy to wall me if he wanted me to sub, and he didnt, so why should I obey his rules. I genuinely want to know who Spurg is as I have failed to see a single post by him. Did he even confirm?

[dakky21]

@Dakky, and I told Mandy to wall me if he wanted me to sub, and he didnt, so why should I obey his rules. I genuinely want to know who Spurg is as I have failed to see a single post by him. Did he even confirm?

Link to all Spurgistan's posts here

If you failed to see his posts, you were skimming. Not accusing you right now as 7 posts in 19 pages can be easily missed, but I think he should be replaced. Though he did stick by the rules, one post per 3 days though.

[new guy1]

After reading, there's just one post that stood out as off putting to me (a lot of it was just the same setup discussions we have had, etc.):

so after reading through its been mentioned that there is a good possability that the trainers/pokemon pair know each other and chances of them being cult recruiters. this id have to say makes since.

so heres what were looking at right now for teams/groups

team rocket
trainer/pokemon pair
wild pokemon

now 1 crazy out there thought im gonna throw in where we have 20 some odd people we know gary is most likley in the game wich means ash is prolly in it, whats there long term goal other then catching them all...defeating the elite 4... im thinking the elite 4 are also in the game.

with that said i meant to do this a while ago unvote vote Anarkistsdream with the slip up a few pages ago saying we instead of they and other things he aint sitting right.

as others have said mitch is THE wildcard he can be good or bad and say stupid stuff and get himself killed early on his more better info seems to come on the few games where he dont kill himself early on so lets keep him alive a couple of days

So you're not giving any thought to the idea that team rocket may have pokemon which count as a separate entity/paired entity? You went to the trouble to separate trainer and pokemon pair, but didn't bother to separate the antagonists from their possible pokemon (which has been talked about more than once and mentioned in your next post, it should be on the forefront of your mind). What is your stance on that theory, since you seem to have eliminated it here? Or must have forgotten it when you made this post. Elite 4 is not Indigo league that I know of and is quite a stretch for even being in this game. How do you think they would play into the game, provided they're in it, since above, you seem to imply that they would have to be defeated by the trainers? If this isn't how you meant it, then please explain your stance in more depth.

[Skittles!]

@Dakky, and I told Mandy to wall me if he wanted me to sub, and he didnt, so why should I obey his rules. I genuinely want to know who Spurg is as I have failed to see a single post by him. Did he even confirm?

Link to all Spurgistan's posts here

If you failed to see his posts, you were skimming. Not accusing you right now as 7 posts in 19 pages can be easily missed, but I think he should be replaced. Though he did stick by the rules, one post per 3 days though.

His last post was a number of days ago, and that was hardly informative as well. May just be missing or could be just waiting to make his move. Either way is fishy as f*ck.

So you're not giving any thought to the idea that team rocket may have pokemon which count as a separate entity/paired entity? You went to the trouble to separate trainer and pokemon pair, but didn't bother to separate the antagonists from their possible pokemon (which has been talked about more than once and mentioned in your next post, it should be on the forefront of your mind). What is your stance on that theory, since you seem to have eliminated it here? Or must have forgotten it when you made this post. Elite 4 is not Indigo league that I know of and is quite a stretch for even being in this game. How do you think they would play into the game, provided they're in it, since above, you seem to imply that they would have to be defeated by the trainers? If this isn't how you meant it, then please explain your stance in more depth.

You bring up a good point about Tim's post. No separation between possible Rocket and their pokemon (if they are in the game, we still don't fully know) is odd, as Meowrh was a talking cat and definitely separate from whatever Jessie and James said (in the anime at least, games are a different story).

Bringing up Elite Four is also fishy, cause in the intro to D1 it's mentioned that the traditional champion league is being side stepped due to a killer. Elite four is part of that tradition so you'd think they wouldn't be in this game. Also, Elite Four are definitely part of indigo league, though as far as I'm aware they are in the second season of the anime? (Can anyone back me up on this?) Mandy could possibly add them in cause he likes fucking with players.

I will try to explain my last post,there was the Dakky AND Tim conversation about Team Rocket then tim backed away like he was hiding something, a MEMBER OF TEAM ROCKET?. MM soft claimed trainer ,but I believe he is good , there is a connection between WCG and NARK ,I am not sure really who is trainer and pokemon, also there is a connection between Doom and SKITTLES same problem who is who ? Samlen makes a lot of comments but has not really commited to anything almost like he is running wild and Exile said he didn't like trainers so he must be a pokemon, That is what I am thinking but I could be completely wrong.

I'm honestly perplexed how you came to a decision that Doom and I are connected? And with Wing and Nark, they argued, there maybe a connection but we can't be sure until maybe D2. We will hopefully find out a lot more after N1.

I'm still waiting for Meta to reply to my enquiries, imo I don't think he has been posting much of substance and god, the colour of your name is eye watering.

[Samlen]

Oh rip the one thing I did forget to put in here. Since Team Rocket are trainers, it'd make sense if they also were paired up with a pokemon from day1, making it easier to find them if we looked at the pool of trainer/pokemon pairings. At first I've just assumed that Team Rocket and the unknown assailant were one and the same, but thinking about it more, I'm pretty sure the unknown assailant is unrelated to team rocket. I don't remember team rocket being killers exactly, so it wouldn't make much sense if they were what sounds like a serial killer. Which means this SK is def a problem to worry about, but we don't really have a concrete way to find them yet. Team Rocket, if my theory is correct, could be found a bit more easily.

I'm not sure what you mean by "rip". It wasn't too important for context, though. I agree that if an SK is loose, we can't say exactly who it is at this point, but it defo stresses the importance of looking at strange/scummy behaviour. Now, how exactly does it work looking at the pool of trainer/pokemon pairs that you mention? Are you privy to information about such pairings or are you just airing this as the way to go if we gain such knowledge? That's why you're saying "theory", right?

Day1 post said each trainer was given a starter pokemon, so I assumed that since Team Rocket people were trainers they also got a starting pokemon.
So if we could find pokemon/trainer pairs from this day, one of those pairs could be Team Rocket.

In all seriousness though, I am willing to bet that Masket isn't even a trainer. He's a pokemon willing to sacrifice himself so that his trainer can find all the other trainers. His posts have just been to sow confusion. That confusion reaping is enough to make him the D1 kill IMO. Not that there is a better D1 case. Mitch is convincing but the same case could be made every D1 against him. Give me a couple days to read him and I will tell if he is scum or not (My reads on him are 2/2 or 100%).

Day1 post said each trainer was given a starter pokemon, so I assumed that since Team Rocket people were trainers they also got a starting pokemon.
Doom's comment here makes me certain that all of those starter pokemon/trainers know each other today, and that Doom is part of one of those pairs.
So if we could find pokemon/trainer pairs from this day, one of those pairs could be part of Team Rocket.

Fast posting before heading out, I'm I'm just responding to what Tal just posted now.

I don't see what you are getting at in regards to Masket's wording. As I understood it he was saying that Team rocket can be trainers (which is true), the kids Oak sent out are trainers (which is true) and trainers can have a mix of town/scum (which is assumed true). The trainers of Team Rocket have NOTHING to do with Professor Oak, therefore Professor Oak did not hand out any pokemon to any mafia team. So his comment that those kid trainers are not mafia is a fair assessment. I'm not getting where you are going with this.

The only thing making me question that Team Rocket have starting pokemon is skoffin's quote, which makes sense now that I think about it since I don't remember Prof Oak ever affiliating with Team Rocket... so I guess that makes this theory useless unless people want to hunt down other trainers :S

[Skittles!]

The only thing making me question that Team Rocket have starting pokemon is skoffin's quote, which makes sense now that I think about it since I don't remember Prof Oak ever affiliating with Team Rocket... so I guess that makes this theory useless unless people want to hunt down other trainers :S

Good pick up and ideas. Maybe team rocket had the ability to actually steal Pokemon from trainers or if there are wild Pokemon they can just take them too? That was their primary source of gaining Pokemon in the games and anime but idk if Mandy remembers that plot point.

[TimWoodbury]

After reading, there's just one post that stood out as off putting to me (a lot of it was just the same setup discussions we have had, etc.):

so after reading through its been mentioned that there is a good possability that the trainers/pokemon pair know each other and chances of them being cult recruiters. this id have to say makes since.

so heres what were looking at right now for teams/groups

team rocket
trainer/pokemon pair
wild pokemon

now 1 crazy out there thought im gonna throw in where we have 20 some odd people we know gary is most likley in the game wich means ash is prolly in it, whats there long term goal other then catching them all...defeating the elite 4... im thinking the elite 4 are also in the game.

with that said i meant to do this a while ago unvote vote Anarkistsdream with the slip up a few pages ago saying we instead of they and other things he aint sitting right.

as others have said mitch is THE wildcard he can be good or bad and say stupid stuff and get himself killed early on his more better info seems to come on the few games where he dont kill himself early on so lets keep him alive a couple of days

So you're not giving any thought to the idea that team rocket may have pokemon which count as a separate entity/paired entity? You went to the trouble to separate trainer and pokemon pair, but didn't bother to separate the antagonists from their possible pokemon (which has been talked about more than once and mentioned in your next post, it should be on the forefront of your mind). What is your stance on that theory, since you seem to have eliminated it here? Or must have forgotten it when you made this post. Elite 4 is not Indigo league that I know of and is quite a stretch for even being in this game. How do you think they would play into the game, provided they're in it, since above, you seem to imply that they would have to be defeated by the trainers? If this isn't how you meant it, then please explain your stance in more depth.

i left team rocket/pokemon pairing out because in my mind i knew i was going to mention the elite 4 later on in the post. i didnt wanna spread it to thin with teams if each trainer had a pokemon and all of teamrocket had a pokemon and had wild pokemon and also elite 4 it would be a really shallow team game.
if the elite 4 is not in the game then most deff id go with assumeing team rocket will also have pokemon. im assumeing the win cons for elite 4 would be something like live longer then ash or gary or something of the sort not shure they would be scum persay maybe 3rd party sort of team.

[HotShot53]

*notes Hotshot accusing others of inactivity*

I'm not voting him for inactivity, although he hasn't been active. I am voting him because he hasn't yet made any comments on any cases, tried to bring up a case, made a vote, or helped out in any way, he's only made enough posts to not get replaced but hasn't said anything in them.

[mandalorian2298]

Vote count:

kwanton (3) - kwanton, Strike, Hotshot

Strike wolf (1) - Mets

Tim (4) - new guy, Wing, Serbia, madmitch

Wing (1) - TWO

Minister Masket (5)- Yoshi, Anark, Exile, Talapus, BuJaber

BuJaber (1) - spurgistan

Mitch (4) - Nagerous, dakky, legionnare, Samlen

Exile (1) - Masket

Marashu (1) - Ragian

Talapus (1) - Skoffin

Anark (1) - Tim

Serbia (1) - Fircoal

26 alive, 14 to lynch

[mandalorian2298]

In other news: Proded Spurgistan.

Fircoal, if you continue picking nits you're going to end up having to pick one from a very uncomfortable place.

Anark, I have to bring it up it was the game in which my insanity peaked.

Wing, I promise to write on your wall more often from now on. I'm sorry if I hurt you. Please don't think that you are any less special because I didn't write on your wall.