Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

On the plus side I get to do this.

Vote TheWierdOne FOS Skittles

If you arent with me, you are against me. Sure its strawman, however, from where I am sitting now, if you cant see the link between me and Nark then you are probably not my friend. I dont like your play and you are not my friend.

[Skittles!]

On the plus side I get to do this.

Vote TheWierdOne FOS Skittles

If you arent with me, you are against me. Sure its strawman, however, from where I am sitting now, if you cant see the link between me and Nark then you are probably not my friend. I dont like your play and you are not my friend.

Yeah sure, but why would you and him argue for pages unnecessarily for you to just come out and say you have a connection, and that you are both town? Doesn't make sense to me, you both drew unnecessary attention to yourselves?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

On the plus side I get to do this.

Vote TheWierdOne FOS Skittles

If you arent with me, you are against me. Sure its strawman, however, from where I am sitting now, if you cant see the link between me and Nark then you are probably not my friend. I dont like your play and you are not my friend.

Yeah sure, but why would you and him argue for pages unnecessarily for you to just come out and say you have a connection, and that you are both town? Doesn't make sense to me, you both drew unnecessary attention to yourselves?

No, you are just scared that we are forming together against you. Be scared.

Your time is drawing to a close.

It was a fun game.

[Ragian]

Anyoen care for my thoughts on Marashu?

Please, for the love of all that may or may not be holy, don't ask this question....just give us your thoughts. If we didn't want one player's thoughts on another player, why would we be reading the bloody thread?

You aren't reading the bloody thread, mate. But no sweats. I'll repeat what I've said twice now: My thoughts on Marashu ARE put out there. I did so before asking [if] anyone cares for them. It was not a question asking if anyone would care if I posted my thoughts on Marashu. I already had and was asking if anyone cared for them. I understand the confusion, but it had already been cleared up. Half of my thoughts correspond to your own thoughts.

Moving right along: here is a link to all of Marashu's contributions, thus far. Well, the first three are his contributions...the rest are other posts in the forum that are still there because my plebian mind can't wrap around the concept of limiting the advanced search...That seems like a convincing enough case on him, in my eyes...the complete lack of anything vaguely resembling contribution. That combined with it only being three posts kinda sets off a number of alarms, for me. Should pressure be applied in an attempt to get him to contribute more?

The second half if them are that last game he was very flavour helpful and non-town. This game his only contribution has been to be flavour helpful. Hence my vote.

Another point: Kwan seems to be relatively inactive...he's posting, but not contributing. His posts seem nothing but filler.

Moreover, he hasn't posted Thursday as promised. I'm sticking to my vote on Marashu. I feel others ought to pressure him into contributing too.

[Skittles!]

On the plus side I get to do this.

Vote TheWierdOne FOS Skittles

If you arent with me, you are against me. Sure its strawman, however, from where I am sitting now, if you cant see the link between me and Nark then you are probably not my friend. I dont like your play and you are not my friend.

Yeah sure, but why would you and him argue for pages unnecessarily for you to just come out and say you have a connection, and that you are both town? Doesn't make sense to me, you both drew unnecessary attention to yourselves?

No, you are just scared that we are forming together against you. Be scared.

Your time is drawing to a close.

It was a fun game.

Okay... your weird af threat against me isn't convincing me to not vote for you, just a fyi.

[madmitch]

WOW Tim , you screwed a lot people but I believe you , but you made the mistake of giving your name now we know your type of pokemon and your strength and weakness. No use in hanging you ,you will probally get night killed. unvote

[aage]

Hi.

I initially didn't join this game because I expected the exact thing Tim just did was gonna happen again and I didn't wanna deal with that again. Mandy asked me if I was ready to sub last night, I said yes and here we are. Fml.
This has never worked before but I'll just say it again. Tim, stop claiming day one for no reason. You're not helping anyone.

In other news. I've read (most of) the thread already. It's been... interesting, and I kinda wanna policy lynch half the game. That's not gonna happen though.
My birds-eye scumread was Chu, mostly from his tone. Not gonna pursue that today but thought it worth mentioning.

At this point I guess there is the question whether we should let Tim get attacked by his fellow wild pokemon at night, or maybe captured by a trainer (I know virtually nothing of pokémon lore, but the idea is that you can capture wild pokémon, right?), or if we should just hang him now to avoid all of that.

[BuJaber]

on mobile

Buju, could you state which of your points on masket still stand exactly so thst I may point out how their wrong?

Fine, I'll do all the work:

Let's go one by one.
@MM - Eh, what would his lynch answer? You're staying it'll provide teh most answers but what will it give us. I can see how he's suspcious but I don't think lynching him makes any more answers compared to anyone else. Also I counter that he's a good actor, but then again if he's scum he's also not the best scum either. (Sorry MM)

It could be helpful for me to decide if I can trust people voting for the same person I am. (And for everyone else, they have a bunch of voters they can analyze).
It could provide some solid information on trainers that proves/disproves theories, and again, allows us to analyze the people who were obsessed with figuring out how they fit in the game.

At that time of me posting that quote MM had the most votes, and the trainer debate was going on for a while, being the biggest flavor-related discussion and involved a lot of the players, therefore I said most answers. Yes maybe it's optimistic, but there comes a point where we'll have to reread every post very carefully after a few flips, and then we'll be able to find suspicious behavior among those that speculated about flavor (more or less everyone), and I think MM would be one of those lynches that can split up the players into groups for analysis.

Of course, a lot of stuff happened since then. So while I do think ^ these things could still apply, we have more important stuff to sort out.

Unvote Vote TWO for linking Nark and Wing together for scum reasons; they're connected for the reason we are all keeping hidden. Also for not reading Ragian's posts carefully. Anyone who has read all of ragian's posts would not have misunderstood what he meant.

FOS Skittles for backing up TWO and not unvoting Wing after he confirmed that tim is a wild pokemon. If wing is not a wild pokemon he would not do that because it would be suicide.

So apparently Tim suicides regardless of his faction. I guess my meta read wasn't accurate.

I have no idea what will happen during the night but I don't like the idea of anyone being able to benefit from Tim's claim. Are we allowed to request a mod kill?

[BuJaber]

EBWOP

Unvote Vote TWO

[Ragian]

@aage, welcome. In Denmark, your name is dying out, but some old men are still named Aage. Why do you want to policy lynch half the cast?

Thanks, BuJ... By the bye...

[Minister Masket]

On the plus side I get to do this.

Vote TheWierdOne FOS Skittles

If you arent with me, you are against me. Sure its strawman, however, from where I am sitting now, if you cant see the link between me and Nark then you are probably not my friend. I dont like your play and you are not my friend.

Yeah sure, but why would you and him argue for pages unnecessarily for you to just come out and say you have a connection, and that you are both town? Doesn't make sense to me, you both drew unnecessary attention to yourselves?

Yeah that vote doesn't make a huge bit of sense to me either. Most players are completely in the dark on Day 1 and solid information doesn't really start to bleed through until Day 2 at the earliest. I would imagine townies voting other townies is by some margin the biggest vote percentage in the early game so it's not a huge stretch to imagine all three of them could be town.

Bloody hell, that Tim claim came out of nowhere.

I initially didn't join this game because I expected the exact thing Tim just did was gonna happen again and I didn't wanna deal with that again. Mandy asked me if I was ready to sub last night, I said yes and here we are. Fml.
This has never worked before but I'll just say it again. Tim, stop claiming day one for no reason. You're not helping anyone.

Thiiiiis I think (?) makes it sound like Tim has done this before. And leaving meta-gaming aside, I'm not 100% sure we should treat his claim as gospel. 151 Pokemon + trainers gives players alot of potential fake claims to choose from and the odds are that if you choose a random 'mon, it won't be counter claimed. That said I don't think he's lynchworthy, since his survival over Night 1 now looks suspect.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Dont know if he has been honest with name claim. Do know he is not scum.

Anark, Doom and Bujaber are also not scum.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

TWao, Skittles and Fircoal appear banded together imo

[Skittles!]

Dont know if he has been honest with name claim. Do know he is not scum.

Anark, Doom and Bujaber are also not scum.

Have you maybe not thought about realising who each town player is? Or is your goal to say who each player is and what their affiliation is so we can weed out who the mafia and possibkevthird townies are? If so, bravo, but if there is not actual thought process behind your posts, then please stop. It's not doing the rest of the town any good to have their positions out in the open for Scum to pick off?

unvote for now.

[Skittles!]

EBWOP: possible. I'm a bit drunk.

[DoomYoshi]

I'm still two pages behind but ffs. Either the wild pokemon are town (they are) or the cult-recruiting trainers are town. It can't be both ways.

[madmitch]

Wing you said Anark ,Doom and Bujaber are not scum with you that is 4 ,How many are there usually on Team Rocket

[Anarkistsdream]

On the plus side I get to do this.

Vote TheWierdOne FOS Skittles

If you arent with me, you are against me. Sure its strawman, however, from where I am sitting now, if you cant see the link between me and Nark then you are probably not my friend. I dont like your play and you are not my friend.

Yeah sure, but why would you and him argue for pages unnecessarily for you to just come out and say you have a connection, and that you are both town? Doesn't make sense to me, you both drew unnecessary attention to yourselves?

Because we started off both being headstrong players with different tactics... I completely agree with what Wing posted, and Tim did totally f*ck us and this game...

Skittles and TWO now, after all of this, look very very guilty.

Unvote Vote: TWO

Frankly, after what Tim just did, I don't care if this looks like OMGUS or not... Day One needs to end, and I trust MM right now more than scumarining Skittles and TWO.

[Anarkistsdream]

Wing you said Anark ,Doom and Bujaber are not scum with you that is 4 ,How many are there usually on Team Rocket

And we could say the same thing about you, Skittles and TWO... Only, after seeing your game play, I think they would rather lynch you if you were their scum buddy to distance themselves...

I also don't know if I agree with Wing's assessment of Doom, as of yet... Bujaber, though, I concur with.

[madmitch]

First Welcome Aage, I usually trust Wings judgement so vote TWO

[dakky21]

Wing you said Anark ,Doom and Bujaber are not scum with you that is 4 ,How many are there usually on Team Rocket

First Welcome Aage, I usually trust Wings judgement so vote TWO

So first you think Wing could be 4th of Team Rocket and then you trust his judgement? My vote stays on you mate, D2 as well.

[Fircoal]

Wow Tim, thanks for revealing your role way before you needed to. That totally helps out the town. At least wait until Lynch -2 or -1 to do that. You weren't even half way there.

Fircoal - you know, your long posts here have surprised me as it's not what I remember you for back in the day. Then again maybe I shouldn't be that surprised as it has been a good while, weren't like like 16 at the time Anyway, gotta say, your posts are a bit of a mess - that last post went on but ultimately you just said the same few things over and over (and over) again.

Yea, being able to think out things more has helped add more content into games. Also I tend to be posting daily rather than more than daily which compacts what I have to say. And well a lot of things are related but responding to different things. I am more of a say something twice to make sure it's heard type of bunny.

Says some things about the game. Posts a bit on irrelevant things about trainers that is unlikely to become important and finishes with no conclusion. His main contribute is saying that he leans town on Masket but leaves it open enough that he could vote him later on. My main takeaway? Skittles is one of the many players I still need to find time to reread because at the very least this post rubs me the wrong way.

And of course Nag's (who I also have added to the prod list, PM already sent) quad post back on page thirteen which also says next to nothing and finishes with a pot meet kettle vote on Legionnaire. Though on the other hand, the main point I note from the quad post was the first to really put down the Nark typo case as nothing so counter point.

Apparently trying to figure out how the game could possibly be laid out is a bad thing. It may be unimportant later in the game but it could also be important, I don't know and that's why I'm trying to get a discussion going on this. As I've mentioned numerous times, I haven't played mafia for years, so I'm rusty. My 'scumdar' (lol) isn't on point, and there are too many reasonable arguments going on that don't sway me one way or another because they aren't convincing me that well. While I know that I can unvote, I don't want to go jump on a bandwagon unless I'm 90% sure we will get the right pick for the day.

I just find it interesting that you literally ignore all the posts of mine that try and figure out what the make up of the game could be, being based on how Mandy wrote the rules and the intro post, as well as going off other people's ideas. Where do you think we should go from here? I don't want D1 to last much longer either. Make up a good argument that convinces me and I'll vote with you, until then start creating discussions.

This is what I mean by being wishy washy. This doesn't look like debate for the sake of trying to find out what's up. It looks like someone who doesn't want to take a stance on what's happening. Even if you don't want to vote someone for bandwagon reasons can't you at least tell us who is the scummiest in your eye currently?

TWao, Skittles and Fircoal appear banded together imo

How? Explain.


As for TWO, I'm not sure if he's clueless scum or if he just missed the important peice. While I certainly FOS him, my vote is still on Serbia for now. I would like to see him respond though.

[kwanton]

OK so its out there. Wild pokemon are essentially survivors and they are trying to outlast team rocket.

As far as Tim, I want to ask people who have played with him previously how true this quote from strikewolf is:

Tim is difficult to read due to his craziness but a couple of his recent turns as mafia show he's a bit more clever than he's some times given credit for. His backing off is odd to me. Like someone backing off because he felt the heat.

We know he is a wild pokemon but we cannot verify he was truthful about which pokemon he is exactly. The reason I bring this up is that:

1. Night in this game will be far more strategically important than in a C9 due to how experience works. By having a good night 1 (or limiting the efficacy of other player's night 1 actions) someone can pull ahead of everyone else through xp. This is especially useful for the third party survivors (wild pokemon).

2. By claiming a different pokemon than what they are, a person can effectively waste the night actions of people who attack him. If other player's night actions are wasted, they don't gain XP or level up. That's all I can say about that without revealing too much.

3. Tim claimed way too early. Pressure was just beginning to build and it was nowhere near a lynch. He almost seemed eager to claim. Another question I'll ask people who have played with him before, is how experienced is he. Has he played a lot of games on here?

I've put a lot of thought into it and night is going to be way more important than day. If a wild pokemon levels up much more compared to the other pokemon, they will be tough or impossible to defeat at night without coordinated attacks, which makes them effectively safe if they pick their targets right. And they will be safe from lynches during the day, because of the claim, since lynching a survivor is essentially a waste of time. They are technically not scum.

Seems like a good strategy for a survivor. The only thing that made me think that this was too risky on Day 1 is that there is one particular mechanic which I am unsure of how exactly it works. I will not say what the game mechanic is and how it would effect this strategy. I will not know how exactly it works until Day 2 or unless Mandy clarifies it in the thread (I've already sent him a PM pointing it out but I don't think it is something that can be discussed in the thread)

[Anarkistsdream]

Wing you said Anark ,Doom and Bujaber are not scum with you that is 4 ,How many are there usually on Team Rocket

First Welcome Aage, I usually trust Wings judgement so vote TWO

So first you think Wing could be 4th of Team Rocket and then you trust his judgement? My vote stays on you mate, D2 as well.

THIS! Right after you accuse me and Wing of being scum, you jump on what you deem to be the next probable bandwagon...That is total bullshit.

unvote vote: mitch

That is far worse than what I think about TWO and Skittles... Utterly ridiculous. And after we lynch you, I will turn my focus back to the other two...

Better hope your power is unlynchable...

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Dont know if he has been honest with name claim. Do know he is not scum.

Anark, Doom and Bujaber are also not scum.

Have you maybe not thought about realising who each town player is? Or is your goal to say who each player is and what their affiliation is so we can weed out who the mafia and possibkevthird townies are? If so, bravo, but if there is not actual thought process behind your posts, then please stop. It's not doing the rest of the town any good to have their positions out in the open for Scum to pick off?

unvote for now.

I refuse to play Mandy's game mechanics. Alone we are weak. Together we are strong.

Anark, Doom, Bujaber, Tim and Kwanton are not scum.

How soon before I have a majority on my list? Cant be long now.

@Kwanton. Yup. Exactly.