Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[aage]

Aage you have also been a defender of Wing for a few posts now, why? He hasn't actually revealed anything about himself of substance

I didn't initially read Wing as town specifically, but several people have been applying bad logic to throw suspicion at him. That's often a sign of scum attacking town. I don't like his playstyle and I don't like that he's ignoring a lot of stuff, and I think the interaction between him and you+legion is great, but these poorly construed arguments force me to acknowledge him as probable town. Or he's Santa, which explains why he's making a list.

I'd post on other things if there was anything I thought worthwhile to comment on. Most of the discussion is pretty irrelevant imo. I'm planning to reread the thread to try and identify Wing's method, since (as he said) he put himself at the centre of the game right now.

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Forgot to add that the two particularly far-stretched arguments came from the same player, which I thought was interesting.

[mandalorian2298]

An important (and somwhat embaressing ) update:

Due to an unfortunate Copy/Paste fail, The1exile has only just received his Win Condition.

Exile, thank you for being cool about it. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't call you a goofball for playing for two weeks without know what your objective. (EDIT: is)

If any of you hasn't received his/her WC (FOR. REAL.)...errr, PM me about it.

Why the f*ck would you post something like this? It basically confirms that The1exile is not mafia.

It neither confirms nor denies it, since I have, as I have done in my previous game, made Mafia immune to PM quoters. Exile was officialy the last one of 26 players to learn VCs for Wild pokemon, which were, in Mafia PMs, attached bellow their own VCs, along with sample Wild Pokemon PMs.

I thought that last part was obvious to you guys. I had to do it otherwise any...cough...pokemon could just use my giant Role PM template as lie detector instead of playing Mafia.

In retrospect, maybe modkilling quoters WOULD have been easier. Oh well, live and learn.

[dakky21]

Nag - good thoughts about dakky. Doesn't clear you of suspicions, but yes dakky is a very reasonable target. There are both meta clues and game related reasons why that is. He's more scared than usual and he's asking questions no townie should need to ask.

I'm not going to defend here as I don't know what did I ask "what townie shouldn't ask"... check all of my posts here. If you can tell me what did I asked wrong? Or you skimmed a lot and confused me for someone else? Anyway, just answer the question, what I shouldn't have asked. Thanks.

[TimWoodbury]

hmmm so from my understanding mandy just said everyone recived the pokemons win con and examples....so everyone we thought was considered wild simply because they knew the win con for them needs to be reconsiddered

[Talapus]

Good god there is a lot of conversation going on. Trying to decorate my house for Christmas on my one weekend off before flying back out and just trying to get caught up. There is a lot going on not necessarily relevant to potential targets I see. Not sure why a few players are all over wing for his play style either because it seems fairly typical to me.

However, looks like more than ever a trainer is the way to vote as it will decrease recruitment odds. As my vote is still on one I find suspicious I will leave it there for now but will try to look back over some other candidates tonight. Since pokemon are really out for themselves until captured and neither town nor mafia(At least the majority I assume) the best bet is to focus on the two or three players that seem to be coinciding with the same ideas and odds are good they make up one of the trainer groups. Will try to narrow down who seems too damn chummy for their own good when I can.

[strike wolf]

So first off Unvote Kwanton. So there is one thing that Mandy's post suggests, that people who don't know about wild pokemon win cons are most likely town trainers. So Masket. You are now towards the top of my town list. Tal conveniently ignores this.

It also makes this game a bit more difficult as all those who were semi-cleared based on knowing role info are now back in the mix. In fact, at least one was likely lying to preemptively clear themselves.

[dakky21]

At first I thought Tim was on Team Rocket because of his conversation with Dakky , but now I know that is untrue ,I think Dakky and maybe Doom are. vote Dakky

This is the OMGUS example.

WHY do you think Doom and me are part of Team Rocket? Say it. Name a reason. I understand you're upset because my vote is still on you, but can't you once in a lifetime say WHY do you think we are scum? You kept switching votes from Doom to Masket, then Tim, TWO, and then me, as the wagon moved. Not once did say your own thinking WHY you switched vote.

Really, I mean really, get yourself together and say something you mean. Paraphrasing others is not a way to play mafia.

[madmitch]

@ Dakky why care if I change my vote? I c an vote as many times as I want. I gave reasons why I voted, enough said !! The last couple games you voted for me you were wrong and you are wrong again yo always vote for me or Tim and it is pathetic, find someone else for a change,

[dakky21]

@ Dakky why care if I change my vote? I c an vote as many times as I want. I gave reasons why I voted, enough said !! The last couple games you voted for me you were wrong and you are wrong again yo always vote for me or Tim and it is pathetic, find someone else for a change,

I agree, I should find someone else. But in those games these mostly were a joke votes, while here I think you're scum and really trying to act as town. Changing votes to someone who has most votes is scummy and you keep doing that, going on bandwagon.. You're lucky no one finds my thoughts for real, otherwise you'd be lynched long time ago. I don't know what to do now so I'm staying on you.

[Metsfanmax]

An important (and somwhat embaressing ) update:

Due to an unfortunate Copy/Paste fail, The1exile has only just received his Win Condition.

Exile, thank you for being cool about it. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't call you a goofball for playing for two weeks without know what your objective. (EDIT: is)

If any of you hasn't received his/her WC (FOR. REAL.)...errr, PM me about it.

Why the f*ck would you post something like this? It basically confirms that The1exile is not mafia.

It neither confirms nor denies it, since I have, as I have done in my previous game, made Mafia immune to PM quoters. Exile was officialy the last one of 26 players to learn VCs for Wild pokemon, which were, in Mafia PMs, attached bellow their own VCs, along with sample Wild Pokemon PMs.

Great. Aside from the fact that the reason it confirmed him as non-scum had nothing to do with the wild Pokemon VC, you hard confirmed that wild Pokemon exist -- thanks for interfering even further. Also, now you're confirming that Exile is either a mafia or a wild Pokemon, since If he was anything else, presumably he wouldn't get the wild Pokemon VC. So even if your previous post didn't give out free information, this one did. Sigh.

[Metsfanmax]

An important (and somwhat embaressing ) update:

Due to an unfortunate Copy/Paste fail, The1exile has only just received his Win Condition.

Exile, thank you for being cool about it. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't call you a goofball for playing for two weeks without know what your objective. (EDIT: is)

If any of you hasn't received his/her WC (FOR. REAL.)...errr, PM me about it.

Why the f*ck would you post something like this? It basically confirms that The1exile is not mafia.

It neither confirms nor denies it, since I have, as I have done in my previous game, made Mafia immune to PM quoters. Exile was officialy the last one of 26 players to learn VCs for Wild pokemon, which were, in Mafia PMs, attached bellow their own VCs, along with sample Wild Pokemon PMs.

Great. Aside from the fact that the reason it confirmed him as non-scum had nothing to do with the wild Pokemon VC, you hard confirmed that wild Pokemon exist -- thanks for interfering even further. Also, now you're confirming that Exile is either a mafia or a wild Pokemon, since If he was anything else, presumably he wouldn't get the wild Pokemon VC. So even if your previous post didn't give out free information, this one did. Sigh.

Or maybe you are saying that nothing other than wild Pokemon and Mafia exist? Whatever. Let's just stop talking about this before even more stuff leaks.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Boo. Well chuck my list out of the window then.

Legionairre, Masket, Dakky, Mitch, Samlen all seem ignorant to wild pokemons win condition. So probs trainers.

Hmmm need Rocket to die before wiping this lot out. So a good question may be, who was desperate to get on my list?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I'm concerned as to why they are trying to go after trainers as well, esp if the trainers are town.

There was something Tim didnt mention about his role. Wild Pokemon know why highlighting trainers is important.

I am a wild pokemon and word to word that is my win condition.

Skittles has been quick to show that he knows how win condition, but is also apparent he doesnt know our full role pm.

Found your first scum.

Unvote Vote Skittles

[Ragian]

Whoa. You go drinking for two days and the thread blows up. At the same time, I must admit that whenever someone talks about the shows, the graphic novels, the cards, or whatever Pokemon has ever been published as, I skim. I know nothing about Pokemon and I feel like it confuses the actual purpose.

I like Wing's list and I like his thoughts on skittles. I'm definitely going to look at that tomorrow when I'll probably see that no one is going to do anything about scumarining, non-contributing, going-back-on-his-promise Marashu. I think he's scum at worst or a liability to town at best.

Come on?! Anyone?!

[BuJaber]

Anarks posts contain something that he can only know as town.

I'm wondering how do YOU know it is town vs. scum?

Ummm, is that what he said? He said it was something only town would know, and I know EXACTLY what he means, and I assume other players do too... Why are you putting words in his mouth? By all means, try to say that he and I are scum buddies... He saw something that made sense that will make sense to OTHER PLAYERS... The fact that you aren't one of them worries me... Are you a claimed Pokemon or a trainer? Or are you just plain scum?

I wonder again how EXACTLY you know what he means, and how EXACTLY you know it is town vs. scum, as I asked already. Now say I'm putting words into your mouth too.

Anarks posts contain something that he can only know as town.

I'm wondering how do YOU know it is town vs. scum?

Ummm, is that what he said? He said it was something only town would know, and I know EXACTLY what he means, and I assume other players do too... Why are you putting words in his mouth? By all means, try to say that he and I are scum buddies... He saw something that made sense that will make sense to OTHER PLAYERS... The fact that you aren't one of them worries me... Are you a claimed Pokemon or a trainer? Or are you just plain scum?

I wonder again how EXACTLY you know what he means, and how EXACTLY you know it is town vs. scum, as I asked already. Now say I'm putting words into your mouth too.

Did you get a role? Because the other 25 players did... And they are all written out the SAME! Good lord, man...

Sorry for multi quoting but... yes, I did get a role and it doesn't say anywhere town or scum or mafia. So if other 25 players got a role which specifically says town and scum, then I must be something extraordinary.

I think you're lying here, especially fishing about my role...

Dakky -- it was those 2 posts in particular. However the information mandy just gave us changes everything. Also I was wrong about you and mitch I don't know where I read that you said you think he's town, maybe it was someone else or I imagined it. I'm sorry. Even if your role doesn't say anything about town vs. scum, it should have mentioned team rocket in some capacity so you should know where you stand.

So now any wild pokemon claim can either be wild or scum? Okay hear me out.. Mandy is not an idiot... any chance he's doing this on purpose just to confuse us? Wing was gaining some good headway and then bam, one post and it turns the whole thing on its head. This might be a way to give scum a chance. Anyway, we can't play with this assumption since it's too optimistic. So I'm going to Unvote Vote mitch for the reasons that me, dakky, and a few others have given for now.

[BuJaber]

Legionairre, Masket, Dakky, Mitch, Samlen all seem ignorant to wild pokemons win condition. So probs trainers.

I don't think Mitch should be on this list:

Also, you get no exp points that Night. Are sure you just want to defend ? So I know 3 WILD POKEMONS now I will not be a lone

@ Legion, sorry after rereading I was wrong about you,I have no idea what is going on now.Dakky's vote on me is nothing new, it is either Tim or me so I find it amusing,I am now not sure of WCG, but for sure I know thatTim and Skittles are wild pokemons and with exiles statement that he doesn't like trainers he must be a pokemon also. TNG statement It was a smart move people, don't give him slack. We have more info to work with, and I don't see how he screwed anyone in his group. Just explained to the rest of the game how one of the roles works. Now we know there can (and presumably will) be multiple deaths in the night. I think it's more information gleamed than on most day ones, and I just don't see the expense to anyone but himself. And as has already been mentioned, if he claimed a pokemon he was not, then there's questionable harm to even himself, just shows he must be a trainer.

How else would he "know for sure" that Tim and skittles are wild if he didn't see the same wincon? He's not clueless he just seems weirdly hypocritical.

[mandalorian2298]

An important (and somwhat embaressing ) update:

Due to an unfortunate Copy/Paste fail, The1exile has only just received his Win Condition.

Exile, thank you for being cool about it. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't call you a goofball for playing for two weeks without know what your objective. (EDIT: is)

If any of you hasn't received his/her WC (FOR. REAL.)...errr, PM me about it.

Why the f*ck would you post something like this? It basically confirms that The1exile is not mafia.

It neither confirms nor denies it, since I have, as I have done in my previous game, made Mafia immune to PM quoters. Exile was officialy the last one of 26 players to learn VCs for Wild pokemon, which were, in Mafia PMs, attached bellow their own VCs, along with sample Wild Pokemon PMs.

Great. Aside from the fact that the reason it confirmed him as non-scum had nothing to do with the wild Pokemon VC, you hard confirmed that wild Pokemon exist -- thanks for interfering even further. Also, now you're confirming that Exile is either a mafia or a wild Pokemon, since If he was anything else, presumably he wouldn't get the wild Pokemon VC. So even if your previous post didn't give out free information, this one did. Sigh.

I AM CONFIRMING THAT WILD POKEMON EXIST.

Of course, if that is a surprise to any of you peoples that means that you haven't read your PM or that you haven't received your PM in it's entirety. If the later is the case, then please PM me and I will send you the parts that you are missing. Or you can start a discussion about your incomplete PM with me in the thread, whatever you think is best. I aim to please.

[Metsfanmax]

So if everyone knew from the beginning that wild pokemon existed and some of them even knew the wild pokemon wincon, then that changes everything about what has happened so far, in particular Tim's claim.

[aage]

I came to play the players, not the mod.

When are you gonna start doing this Mets?

[madmitch]

@ Bujaber ,thanks for catching that ,I have been soft claiming wild pokemon for a while.

[nagerous]

I'm concerned as to why they are trying to go after trainers as well, esp if the trainers are town.

There was something Tim didnt mention about his role. Wild Pokemon know why highlighting trainers is important.

I am a wild pokemon and word to word that is my win condition.

Skittles has been quick to show that he knows how win condition, but is also apparent he doesnt know our full role pm.

Found your first scum.

Unvote Vote Skittles

Mandy's post has taken everything we thought so far and thrown it upside down.

I actually like this case a lot - I had skittles down as pro-town and trustworthy from his earlier post but now knowing what we know about Mafia knowing the wild Pokemon win conditions - this up front defence has to be treated as very suspect.

[nagerous]

Furthermore, I think it's bad that now every player knows how wild Pokemon roles work, but those Pokemon don't know how other players work. This rly puts them at a disadvantage and why I don't agree with Wing making up a constant list.

Call it pedantic on my part or call it a slip I just feel this is another comment from Skittles that is worth being brought to this attention. Before his big reveal that he was a wild pokemon and quoting his win condition, he was moaning about Wing making a list and talked about wild pokemon and 'them' being at a disadvantage, use of plural third person rather than plural first person suggests to me that you aren't a wild pokemon otherwise you would have said 'those who are wild pokemon' rather than 'them' which implies to me you are not one and later was fake claiming.

[madmitch]

'm concerned as to why they are trying to go after trainers as well, esp if the trainers are town. Good catch Wing, as 1 of 5 it is important to us to attack trainers also.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

'm concerned as to why they are trying to go after trainers as well, esp if the trainers are town. Good catch Wing, as 1 of 5 it is important to us to attack trainers also.

Scum

[new guy1]

Read up, sorry for not posting yesterday on my thoughts of Tim's wagon voters, as I said I would. I went back, and while there were some shady reasons for joining the wagon, they could just as easily be dismissed as not wanting to state the same overstated reasons for voting him, and so I will just leave them in my notes, for stacking evidence for later cases. I have work now, so when I get back, my next idea would be to go back and question those who outright denied the existence of Wild Pokemon, or questioned the claim's legitimacy, since apparently everyone knew about the Wild Pokemon's existence and WC. Of course, the offenders could be feigning ignorance to cover themselves, but I still don't agree with any of the cases. I do find skittle's post suspect, the "this is the exact wording" and then not actually typing the exact wording. I feel, much like mitch's slip, that this was only an error, since he was able to guess the wording after, but it leaves me feeling a certain way. Will FOS Skittles for now. If I'm not mistaken, Mitch's case is based on a little more evidence then the initial slip that I was referring to, but I would be lying if I didn't say that any other reasons for his case are slipping my mind at the moment, so I will also look back on his case while I look for those Wild Pokemon deniers to see if my stance on him changes.

This is all for now, until I return from work.