Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

But, does that mean that there are only five types? That was not directly written in my PM...

Final answer?

[Anarkistsdream]

unvote vote Dakky

Why? Just straight OMGUS or what??? MAKE AN ARGUMENT! Prove a point!

So far, Dakky's argument is one of the strongest...

So, here is something for you guys to gnaw on...

If you kill the trainer, are the pokemon free again??? If so, we should not be focusing on the pokemon much, if at all, but on the trainers 100%. Second, are the pokemon who have been captured aware of who captured them? Because, if I was a prisoner of some heinous horrible person, I would want the whole world to know so that they could save me... So, my theory is that pokemon would be released when the trainer dies and that the pokemon who HAVE been captured may know the characters name, but not the player... And, I would assume, same thing for the Trainers... They know the pokemons name, but not the player playing that character...

Is there any way around all of this?

And, yes, Wing... Final answer.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

And, yes, Wing... Final answer.

Then dance, for you hide amongst us no more

[Anarkistsdream]

And, yes, Wing... Final answer.

Then dance, for you hide amongst us no more

[Metsfanmax]

Well, barring mandy jumping in and saying that he messed up Nark's PM, then Nark is just not a Wild Pokemon.

[nagerous]

I never said I was not told ANYTHING. I said I didn't know how many other types of Pokemon there were..

I'm not trying to be annoying but I feel like you just did directly below say you were only told what you were..

I was never told the types of pokemon... Only what I was...

[Anarkistsdream]

I never said I was not told ANYTHING. I said I didn't know how many other types of Pokemon there were..

I'm not trying to be annoying but I feel like you just did directly below say you were only told what you were..

I was never told the types of pokemon... Only what I was...

I should have been more clear... *shrug* But I am not going to spend the next three pages defending myself... I feel that I have proven myself to be a productive member of this game... If all of you want to bandwagon me, at least pay attention to who says what so you can try and take out TR afterward. This Day has gone on far too long, as is.

[kwanton]

I'm an idiot. I see what you mean now. I still don't see why it precludes you cl;aiming another pokemon of the listed types, however.

This is what you said in your original comment:

but it should be trivial to invent a pokemon name of an alternative, preferably without type advantage, so I'm not sure it holds up completely. Maybe we will get word of mod though.

I was jumping on the part that said "preferably without type advantage" (bolding added by me).

Also, if trainers already have a pokemon (the prevailing theory I believe) then they presumably already have this info, although i suppose maybe they can't talk yet.

This was the prevailing theory before Dakky's claim here:

Actually, I was claimed before D1 officially started, during the confirm phase. I already confirmed and then was notified of a plot twist. My trainer had to choose one Pokemon from the list while not knowing who is playing behind it. That's how I got chosen, I guess it could have been any of the other wild ones. And I'm pretty sure there other trainers and other claimed pokemons just not wanting to reveal that fact.

Now, the likely case is that trainers did not already have a pokemon in their role PM. They had to choose one from a list during night 0 as their starter. Which brings me to my next very important point: There will be no viable false claims in this game. Since the trainers got to choose from a list of wild pokemon, they know exactly which wild pokemon are in this game. If you false claim, you will either get counter claimed or a trainer will know you're lying.

I am leaning towards believing Dakky on this because this is info that is easily disputable by a trainer and no one has called him a liar yet.

Then we have Nark who said he wasn't told anything. My original assumption was that ALL players would have been told the number of types of wild pokemon since that is such a central mechanic to the game. But it seems like that is not the case.

My guess: Nark and Exile are trainers of unknown alignment.

I never said I was not told ANYTHING. I said I didn't know how many other types of Pokemon there were... I know what I am strong and weak against... I know I am weak against two and strong against two types... But, does that mean that there are only five types? That was not directly written in my PM...

"Anything" was hyperbole. You made it clear that you didn't know how a lot of info that the rest of us do and you just confirmed that you don't know how many types of wild Pokemon there are.

So let me just get to the point:

1. All wild pokemon were informed of exactly how many types there are. Mandy's wording in his PM was very clear. He said there are 4 other types of wild pokemon. Not "at least 4" or any wording that could be up to interpretation.

2. All trainers know exactly how many types there are because they received a list of wild pokemon during night 0.

So what are you?

[Anarkistsdream]

*Appropriating my best southern belle accent*

Why, Kwanton, you old so-and-so, you KNOW I am just going to keep saying the same thing...

A wild Pokemon. Just like everyone else.

[kwanton]

*Appropriating my best southern belle accent*

Why, Kwanton, you old so-and-so, you KNOW I am just going to keep saying the same thing...

A wild Pokemon. Just like everyone else.

Like I said tho, a wild Pokemon should know exactly how many types there are. From the way others have posted, I think its clear to them too.

I swear if this is my third case against someone this game where the player misread something or there was a mod error I'm gonna flip out...

[Anarkistsdream]

You know... I was thinking about how rarely I make it to endgame... But if each day is going to be 30+ pages, maybe that isn't such a bad thing... MANDALORIAN!!!

[BuJaber]

Nark - you're not making it easy for anyone to believe you.

Strike - huh? When did I doubt the existence of Team Rocket? I don't remember posting anything like that.

Mandy - Both Marashu and Mitch are listed twice in the VC.

So I don't really believe dakky's claim, but if he is scum I'm not sure why he'd go for mitch... He's not the most obvious choice anymore, and team rocket would benefit more from killing a trainer than a wild pokemon. So now I'm not sure what to think of dakky.

Now I want to ask a question from those who have played a lot more mafia than I have: Have you played a game before where someone's wincon involved one faction getting eliminated but then they get recruited and their wincon becomes the exact opposite? If the answer is no, do you reckon Mandy has made that possible anyway?

The reason I'm asking should be obvious, but I'll reveal it after I receive a few answers.

[kwanton]

Now I want to ask a question from those who have played a lot more mafia than I have: Have you played a game before where someone's wincon involved one faction getting eliminated but then they get recruited and their wincon becomes the exact opposite? If the answer is no, do you reckon Mandy has made that possible anyway?

Yes. In fact my very first game, I was a vig who killed off all the town's power roles (not on purpose I swear). I got recruited by a cult on the final day and won with them because I had thinned out town enough with my miss-kills that my recruitment gave the cult the majority. WC changes when recruited.

[strike wolf]

The Weird One - Be careful with big posts that have quotes within quotes as it is easy to type within the quote. This time I caught it because it was my own post you quoted. As for my vote on skittles... I understand that this is based on gen 1 and I also understand that team rocket were the villains in gen 1. I am not saying that team rocket are a charity organization.. all I'm saying is that we cannot know for certain that mandy followed conventions and based this game exactly on the anime/games. It is too dangerous, especially in a game this size where we're bound to mislynch a few times, to jump to conclusions about faction as early as day 1. In the wheel of time game that just ended 4 townies died before everyone was fully convinced that our original assumptions were wrong. Only someone who is scum would know for sure that they were scum. So if they are in fact team rocket, it makes sense to talk about how bad team rocket are in order to earn town cred. And yes, I am also jumping to a conclusion about skittles, but certainly at the time of voting I felt that it was at least on par with the other top lynch cases if not better, since day 1 typically involves quite a bit of guessing.

[kwanton]

You know... I was thinking about how rarely I make it to endgame... But if each day is going to be 30+ pages, maybe that isn't such a bad thing... MANDALORIAN!!!

Nark, I hadn't voted you yet because I was giving you the benefit of the doubt so you could defend yourself, but seeing as you aren't doing that the only option you're giving us is to lynch and see how you flip. And even more, it sounds like you'd prefer that.

Since jester doesn't make sense in this game, vote nark

[BuJaber]

Kwanton - okay.. maybe I was being optimistic..

Strike - all I said in that post was that while yes, Team Rocket are in this game, just because someone was told that they had to die in their role PM doesn't necessary mean they are scum. Mandy could have decided to make Team Rocket a majority in this game just to mess with everyone. I obviously don't think that anymore based on how many wild pokemon there seem to be.

[kwanton]

The Weird One - Be careful with big posts that have quotes within quotes as it is easy to type within the quote. This time I caught it because it was my own post you quoted. As for my vote on skittles... I understand that this is based on gen 1 and I also understand that team rocket were the villains in gen 1. I am not saying that team rocket are a charity organization.. all I'm saying is that we cannot know for certain that mandy followed conventions and based this game exactly on the anime/games. It is too dangerous, especially in a game this size where we're bound to mislynch a few times, to jump to conclusions about faction as early as day 1. In the wheel of time game that just ended 4 townies died before everyone was fully convinced that our original assumptions were wrong. Only someone who is scum would know for sure that they were scum. So if they are in fact team rocket, it makes sense to talk about how bad team rocket are in order to earn town cred. And yes, I am also jumping to a conclusion about skittles, but certainly at the time of voting I felt that it was at least on par with the other top lynch cases if not better, since day 1 typically involves quite a bit of guessing.

That's actually a good point. Let's not let our initial assumptions limit our thinking. "If you immediately know the candlelight is fire then the meal was cooked a long time ago" and all that. It made me reread Mandy's start of Day 1 post. He said:

As you know, there has been some rumors about this year's Indigo League being canceled, due to so many pokemon trainers having been horribly murdered by an unknown assailant.

Assailant. Singular. This could be meaningful or it could be nothing. Like I said, Mandy does like his flavor text. Just something to keep in the back of our minds.

[Metsfanmax]

The thing that holds me back from voting Nark is, why would he confess to ignorance on this if he's scum? Wouldn't it be better just to stay silent? It doesn't scan.

[kwanton]

The thing that holds me back from voting Nark is, why would he confess to ignorance on this if he's scum? Wouldn't it be better just to stay silent? It doesn't scan.

Yes, which is why I didn't initially vote him when I brought up my argument. I was willing to let it slide as him misreading his PM or something, but he is not defending himself at all. It is the lack of defense which is scummy (and what I voted for) rather than the profession of ignorance.

[Anarkistsdream]

I have made myself enough of a benefit in this game, considering that it is only day one, that if you are just looking for someone to lynch, it shouldn't be me. I have been a constant poster, and while that may not be enough, it should be enough to know I have not been scum for the last 30 pages only to suddenly break character now... I can't help what was in my PM, and I also refuse to do any research on Pokemon to learn anything, because that will not benefit this game at all. If you, as a group, decide that, out of everybody, you have the most to gain from my death after this long, then do it... But I am fairly certain few of you feel that way. I am truly an unclaimed wild pokemon... I must remain alive and TR must be destroyed for me to win... As I seriously doubt I will make it to endgame, as I mentioned before, what is my motivation to continue? My only motivation is proving that some of my game theories may be accurate. We are all survivors... There is no town... So there is no point in saving any single one of us... All that matters is, as a whole, TR is wiped out...

I have stuff to do tonight, but I will look through before sleep and make sure there is nothing I should address...

May the odds be ever in your favor... and mine.

[kwanton]

I can't help what was in my PM,

In that case, please confirm with Mandy that your PM is correct. What you are saying and the information I have in my PM conflict. There is no reason for wild pokemon to have a difference in the mechanics section of their PMs. The only options are you are being untruthful, you read the PM wrong, or Mandy did not send you the full PM.

[Anarkistsdream]

I can't help what was in my PM,

In that case, please confirm with Mandy that your PM is correct. What you are saying and the information I have in my PM conflict. There is no reason for wild pokemon to have a difference in the mechanics section of their PMs. The only options are you are being untruthful, you read the PM wrong, or Mandy did not send you the full PM.

What difference in mechanics is there? Two types you are weak against and two types you are strong against, plus your own type... The fact that it did not say there were ONLY five types of pokemon seems to be the only thing you are grasping at... And that isn't mechanics...

[kwanton]

I can't help what was in my PM,

In that case, please confirm with Mandy that your PM is correct. What you are saying and the information I have in my PM conflict. There is no reason for wild pokemon to have a difference in the mechanics section of their PMs. The only options are you are being untruthful, you read the PM wrong, or Mandy did not send you the full PM.

What difference in mechanics is there? Two types you are weak against and two types you are strong against, plus your own type... The fact that it did not say there were ONLY five types of pokemon seems to be the only thing you are grasping at... And that isn't mechanics...

Yes the fact that it said there are five types of pokemon is the point of this whole argument. It does say that and others have understood their PMs to mean that too. Mandy's PM made it clear to us that there are only 5 types of wild pokemon.

[Skittles!]

I can't help what was in my PM,

In that case, please confirm with Mandy that your PM is correct. What you are saying and the information I have in my PM conflict. There is no reason for wild pokemon to have a difference in the mechanics section of their PMs. The only options are you are being untruthful, you read the PM wrong, or Mandy did not send you the full PM.

What difference in mechanics is there? Two types you are weak against and two types you are strong against, plus your own type... The fact that it did not say there were ONLY five types of pokemon seems to be the only thing you are grasping at... And that isn't mechanics...

It literally says 'there are four more types of Pokemon in the Kanto region'.

[dakky21]

I can agree here with Nark as I didn't receive a PM also stating I am town. Just wild pokemon before plot twist. I believe no one received a role such as "town trainer" or "scum team rocket". I think it's not a classic game town vs. scum. So any more assumptions on who is what don't make any sense because "town" are probably all trainers with their pokemons and scum are all the rest. And then again, probably only one trainer can win the League so speaking of "town" is actually scummy here. Just my few thoughts... unless I really did get a different Wild pokemon PM from Mandy.

So to summarize, for all "town" trainers and other Wild Pokemon's: Our best bet is to kill Team Rocket trainers and then we will deal against each other. That's inevitable, but at least we can win, or at least, level up and gain possible perks.

FP'd by Skittles!

And yeah, I can confirm the PM stated there are four more types of pokemon there.