Civilization Mafia - Town Victory!

[dakky21]

Due to hidden effect of being in war is pretty harsh, Skoffin do you mind accepting peace? Offering declare peace with Skoffin

[strike wolf]

VOTE BENGA His statement to to Nag about being a docter shows he has not the same goals as we (town) do.

I'm not sure what his comment asking why Nag (he thought) claimed doc has anything to do with his goals? Skimming yeah, since Nag corrected it in the next post.

As to his un-claiming Germany... it did seem a little weird him soft claiming in the confirm phase, and then going along with it after Mitch said he was Germany... so I could see it being just a joke as he now claims.

Vote Hotshot

[strike wolf]

To be fair, he did backtrack but by that point it was clearer why Benga's doc comment was scummy. He also defended Benga through the day and ended with his vote on Ga7

[nagerous]

Yeah he is quite near the top of my scumdar list strike, Dakky would you be willing to share the negative effects?

[Fircoal]

Due to hidden effect of being in war is pretty harsh, Skoffin do you mind accepting peace? Offering declare peace with Skoffin

Why should anyone try to go for peace with you? Why are you trying to make peace happen so early in the day? You don't even say that you trust Skoffin, you're just asking for peace to boost yourself up. Why?

Congratulations to everyone on the benga Lynch

Put us in a strong position for day 2.

And yet some people didn't want it to happen. Funny how that goes.

As with you I'm going to review what people did yesterday. It should at the very least be helpful.

[strike wolf]

You know on the light side of things, it might be worth celebrating the fact that you survived night 1 two games in a row Nag.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Coward

[Skoffin]

Quick post.

First, I will find and destroy whomever it is that destroyed my great ally Wing.

Second, I am full of regreeeeeeet for going to war.

[strike wolf]

It's already been asked but is it possible to tell us what these effects were? If not directly, if we ask are you able to blink once for yes. Twice for no and three for I'm not telling?

@chu: In Dakky's defense, is there a good reason for him not to declare peace?

I feel the Hotshot case is simple but good. I'll probably look back as well over the next day or 2 but I definitely feel Hotshot is a good starting point and hopefully a good ending point. But like a good book, no need to rush the middle.

[Fircoal]

@chu: In Dakky's defense, is there a good reason for him not to declare peace?

The last person to do that was benga who turned out to be scum. The thing is declaring peace can be nice but I don't get why he's doing it at the start of the day without even stating why he trusts Skoffin or anything like that. It feels a bit fishy. It's a nice little thing that can help someone seem less lynchable.

[dakky21]

People... notice that I'm not requesting Friendship... I'm requesting Peace... That's what all you have, being neutral... So I'm not changing from war to friendship... I just want Peace because "hidden" action is regretable. Yeah, both me and Skoffin got +3 to lynch mass but it wasn't worth it.

[dakky21]

BTW which makes me think... Skoffin gone to war with me while benga tried to fish for friendship just after Skoffin... that way they both would need more votes to be lynched. Skoffin in fact didn't even voted in the finish of D1... it makes me wonder... is Skoffin benga's partner...

[Skoffin]

For reasons, I won't be stating what I learned about warring.

We cannot say for certain what Benga's motives were, but likely possibilities could be: appearing to be 'contributing' by trying to DOF but not actually doing anything meaningful, trying to get on my good side for what ever reason - possibly thinking I would be one of the more active/vocal players that might cause scum issues etc

Dakky, before you contemplate accusing me of being scum - reread my posts in the game, it's quite clear I know too much town info to be mafia sided.

[dakky21]

For reasons, I won't be stating what I learned about warring.

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Dakky, before you contemplate accusing me of being scum - reread my posts in the game, it's quite clear I know too much town info to be mafia sided.

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you should accept peace offer. Otherwise you're scum in my eyes.

[Samlen]

Well if we go based off of normal civ, war decreases production so it's quite possible that building something will take an extra night or more for those that have gone to war.

[Fircoal]

People... notice that I'm not requesting Friendship... I'm requesting Peace... That's what all you have, being neutral... So I'm not changing from war to friendship... I just want Peace because "hidden" action is regretable. Yeah, both me and Skoffin got +3 to lynch mass but it wasn't worth it.

Oh wow. Sorry about that. I forgot about that. Nevermind what I was saying then. x3

[Skittles!]

Honestly with benga actually ending up scum, I'm not surprised. I couldn't defend the idea of him being survivor by the end of the day with your continued arguments fircoal, + he just sounded scummier and scummier. So even tho I was one of the staunchest defenders of not lynching a survivor, it was super apparent to me by the end of the day that he wasn't a survivor. So good work on those who picked up the truth earlier than others, some aren't as quick to pick up scum tells and believe the arguments.

As for wing's death, interesting. Not overly surprised but I don't think he warranted anything to be killed on night 1. I don't think it's hugely suspicious and I think scum want to try and put suspicion on those who had issues with him during day 1 and put it away from themselves. Also, with benga soft claiming Germany, even as a joke, early in Day 1, I'm surprised that Wing didn't counterclaim and just end benga earlier.

For the Hotshot vote, he is also at the top of my list. He's playing a similar game to that of Indigo League - disappear for a while then make a post that's noncommittal to seem relevant. With that, vote hotshot.

Well if we go based off of normal civ, war decreases production so it's quite possible that building something will take an extra night or more for those that have gone to war.

This seems believable to me and definitely would be annoying.

[Ragian]

Humm... I never wanted to lynch a survivor because of reasons stated earlier. Good thing you guys didn't. I thought he was a survivor. Way to be naive here. Three things weird me out as of now: First,why kill off Wing when he contemplated going to war at some point to save Benga? Second, why am I not on the chopping block alongside hotshot? Third, skittles latest post almost taking credit for a scum lynch in which he didn't participate.

More from me tonight, but as mentioned in the other game, I'm currently away skiing in Austria. I'll try to participate at least once or twice per day. If this is not satisfactory, I'll ask to be replaced.

[Skittles!]

I don't think I am taking credit, but rather acknowledging that I was wrong about benga. I had been meaning to actually make an input in the last couple of days in Day 1 but I just never got around to it, stating that I no longer believed that benga was a survivor but a scum, as Fircoal and others had argued.

[Minister Masket]

Due to hidden effect of being in war is pretty harsh, Skoffin do you mind accepting peace? Offering declare peace with Skoffin

May have been an oversight on my part if I didn't mention it before, but both types of declarations reset after every night, so you two are at peace again anyway.

[madmitch]

Quick post.

First, I will find and destroy whomever it is that destroyed my great ally Wing.

Second, I am full of regreeeeeeet for going to war.

are you saying ally like ww2 ally ,then that could make you japan or italy or you might be playing us and you are really scum. I never even thought that Wing was germany, wow! don't know why he didn't counter claim ?

[Ragian]

I don't think I am taking credit, but rather acknowledging that I was wrong about benga. I had been meaning to actually make an input in the last couple of days in Day 1 but I just never got around to it, stating that I no longer believed that benga was a survivor but a scum, as Fircoal and others had argued.

I never said that you took credit. I said almost. You made it sound like you would have totally voted for Benga had the others not offed him.

[Samlen]

I don't think I am taking credit, but rather acknowledging that I was wrong about benga. I had been meaning to actually make an input in the last couple of days in Day 1 but I just never got around to it, stating that I no longer believed that benga was a survivor but a scum, as Fircoal and others had argued.

I never said that you took credit. I said almost. You made it sound like you would have totally voted for Benga had the others not offed him.

Gotta agree with ragian, sounds a bit weird, like you're trying to say 'it looks like I was against lynching scum but I really was about to vote for them.' Which just sounds like an attempt to sound more town-like.

[Djfireside]

Ragian did follow suit after strike in a quick switch with HotShot. The force was lead by Wing and I can understand their logic. I will hold a Guarded(FOS) on Ragian and a few people have called them out but since they called themselves out as well I will stick with my initial person and hold them for a secondary. Although, the latest banter has left me a little weary about some others but I will not mix trials here. Hotshot was quick to play defense and try to pull the mob away so I want to hear their story much like a few other leaders.

Shall we have a declaration?

Vote Hotshot

[Skittles!]

I don't think I am taking credit, but rather acknowledging that I was wrong about benga. I had been meaning to actually make an input in the last couple of days in Day 1 but I just never got around to it, stating that I no longer believed that benga was a survivor but a scum, as Fircoal and others had argued.

I never said that you took credit. I said almost. You made it sound like you would have totally voted for Benga had the others not offed him.

Gotta agree with ragian, sounds a bit weird, like you're trying to say 'it looks like I was against lynching scum but I really was about to vote for them.' Which just sounds like an attempt to sound more town-like.

Yep, I get how that comes across. By the time that I had concluded that he was actually mafia and not a survivor, there was one more day until he was lynched by the rules set by the moderator. While this does seem weird and possibly scummy, I'm just being upfront about my intentions for the final days of Day 1. I think you're making a non issue out of what I've said to be fair, as I am just saying good work for those who already had pinpointed benga's play style to be scummy. The gamble that I was worried about paid off, with both town and mafia losing 1 member each. Remember, I was advocating lynching a scum and not a survivor just in the offchance that there were two kills in Night 1, and I didn't think we would gain anymore information by lynching a survivor. It was at the end of Day 1 that I was convinced by Fircoal and others that benga wasn't a survivor, but I didn't post anything because I kept forgetting to.