Civilization Mafia - Town Victory!

[Fircoal]

Alright here are my IDEAS!!!!!!!

First off I suggest that everyone with an arsenal (Tim, Ragian, and Nag) go check if one of them has a gun. Maybe in this fashion:

Tim checks Ragian.
Ragian checks Nag.
Nag checks Tim.

If this works how I think it does, you should all see each other with guns. Now the only way to know exactly how it goes is if we could see some confirmed scum, sadly that is pretty much impossible until we kill another scummy but this should work.

I'm not sure why Tim's tracking didn't work. I have a thought of why that might be but it doesn't make sense with other actions. I wonder if someone else with a tracking power could track Frenchie-chan again.

Personally my candiates for lynch are Dakky and DJ. While I think DJ gave a nice hint I'm still unsure as I feel like those things have been said in the thread before. I personally would like to see him say what country he is. That way if he says it right it's very likely that he's good while if he doesn't we know he's bad. I think it's worth testing.

[TimWoodbury]

Tim were you told that you were role blocked, that the action was unsuccessful or did the mod use a different wording?

was told it was unsuccessful. nags reasoning makes since as to why it failed ga7 was blocked thus went nowhere so i followed him nowhere i will ask for clarification.

as for the lynch im also going for DJ if it aint DJ id be willing to go on Dakky. I like Firacles idea for the gun theory.

a theory with the guns is maybe as we go further in the Era's the gun finding chances get better

[dakky21]

Look at this now.... I am at L-1 currently (or in a few hours).

I'll go and DECLARE WAR ON strike_wolf!

for unvoting benga and then voting hotshot 3 times in a row... I think he is trying to manipulate town minds while looking pro town.

Now, I'm at L-4 and he will get what he deserves for being at war. If I'm wrong, shoot me.

[strike wolf]

You are a L-5 in a few hours. Knee jerk reaction to go to war with me isn't helping my opinion of you.

[dakky21]

Just trying to prolong a mislynch. You will see the side effects as well since I know what they are from war with skoffin D1...

[strike wolf]

If you want to avoid a Lynch, make an argument for yourself. Declaring war on me because I voted you just seems a bit spiteful and OMGUSY.

[Skittles!]

I guess there's not much point hiding it. My N1 abulity i still havent been told what it does, i jusr know it grants a passive ability that will be revealed at a later age. Though i can guess at what it might do from description. N2 I started on a grand project. I was going to build a 2 night project but decided that others would have alr3ady be finishing at least one of them while at least one more would be starting. So I decided it may actually be in our best interest to let curiosity win and go for the big project. $5 ticket admission to anyone who wants to see it. $10 once it's complete. ;D

rereading through Benga and Hotshot. Then I'll look into the veracity of Skittles, Ragian and DJ's possible town or scum cred.

Can you let us know what building you built on N1 to get the passive ability?

[Skittles!]

I guess there's not much point hiding it. My N1 abulity i still havent been told what it does, i jusr know it grants a passive ability that will be revealed at a later age. Though i can guess at what it might do from description. N2 I started on a grand project. I was going to build a 2 night project but decided that others would have alr3ady be finishing at least one of them while at least one more would be starting. So I decided it may actually be in our best interest to let curiosity win and go for the big project. $5 ticket admission to anyone who wants to see it. $10 once it's complete. ;D

rereading through Benga and Hotshot. Then I'll look into the veracity of Skittles, Ragian and DJ's possible town or scum cred.

Can you let us know what building you built on N1 to get the passive ability?

EBWOP:
i don't remember if you have already mentioned it or not but I couldn't see it while searching your posts.

[dakky21]

I already stated and claimed who am I and Minister Masket VC on Mar 11 said it's 7 votes for a lynch. Today it's Mar 15 and that's 3 votes and I had 2 votes on me, including yours Strike. So that was L-1 and now is +3 so it's L-4 today. Believe me or not, but I am Japan (again) what I claimed from the very start of the game...

[Skittles!]

Here's my thoughts on the game at the moment -

I have no idea who is scum because imo they are playing a really good game. I think there's still 2-3 mafia members left (with 16 players, 4-5 being scum, seems about right to me). It could be entirely plausible IMO that the head mafia player knows about buildings, and is a CIV, and there are barbarians in that faction that didn't (benga, hotshot). We need to make a list of buildings that everyone has built, because it's pretty possible that scum have figured out like 3-4 buildings already that civ's can build. Could it be possible that a win con of the mafia is to build the wonder? In which case, DJ and Strike would be at the top of the list to be scum, because why would you forego any night actions to build a wonder? It doesn't make sense to me.

Town has a bit of wiggle room to mislynch people, so I'm not too overly cautious about that. With the mechanism in place this game, it's entirely possible we will mislynch more people (RIP aage). because it's just not active enough.

This is who I think is town - myself, fircoal, nag, tim, mitch. Everyone else i think is scummy in some way, however some are obviously a bit more scummy than others. I know some of those who i think aren't 100% town will be like "BUT i've proved my townness"... which is true but even scum can be a great town player.

[strike wolf]

I admit I forgot DJ's vote. I also forgot that you OMGUSd him as well. I'm not talking about claim. I'm talking about a defense. I posted some points. Counter them. Why did you unvote Hotshot when you did? What made his claim so believable to you? Do you actually find me scummy for the reasons you stated otr were you just spouting them out to justify going to war? It seems you are already backtracking from that position.

@skittles: as Chu said, if you've built it already you should know or at least a simple query to the mod about what you built would be an easy enough way to find out. I don't really see an advantage to full claiming it as it doesn't grant any boon to town in knowing. If someone else (whom i trust to be town) wants to know exactly what I built or you can provide a good reason for wanting to know then I will say but until then I am leaning towards it being best left unspecified.

FP'd (kinda) by skittles. As I stated, I figured others would opt for the smaller roles. The wonder is a 4 night project. Beyond the curiosity factor, I imagine it's 4 nights for a reason and thus whatever it does or grants has to be a major boon.

Mafia having to build the wonder seems like an odd mechanic to winning but I suppose it isn't impossible. I do think it would be something of a handicap towards town.

[TimWoodbury]

@Strike im curious why would you choose to build the wonder when one is already being built (was mentioned in D2 scene) where it says only 1 can complete the wonder??

im with one of the above posts and either DJ or strike is scum

N1 built a building N2 did a unknown action with a unknown building that granted a unknown action to happen at some point down the road N3 started a wonder

@DJ what did you build N1 that made you decide to start a wonder on N2?

with that Declare friends Dakky

[ga7]

Well, that kinda seals the deal for me.
Vote Dakky as stated before his only defense is that he was found gunless, which others deconstructed, and now declaring war willy-nilly... Either he's scum and Tim looks quite bad right now or he's town and actively detrimental to other townies. Since we have a bit of wiggle room I'm quite happy to take that chance.

Here's my thoughts on the game at the moment -

I have no idea who is scum because imo they are playing a really good game. I think there's still 2-3 mafia members left (with 16 players, 4-5 being scum, seems about right to me). It could be entirely plausible IMO that the head mafia player knows about buildings, and is a CIV, and there are barbarians in that faction that didn't (benga, hotshot). We need to make a list of buildings that everyone has built, because it's pretty possible that scum have figured out like 3-4 buildings already that civ's can build. Could it be possible that a win con of the mafia is to build the wonder? In which case, DJ and Strike would be at the top of the list to be scum, because why would you forego any night actions to build a wonder? It doesn't make sense to me.

5 scum seems a bit too much, but I guess it depends of their role. I think since benga was lynched day 1 and Hotshot didn't really slip up in day 2 it's entirely possible barbarians had one role having knowledge of town mechanics (likely a godfather, hence my earlier comments on not trusting investigations too much), but also I'm beginning to wonder about a possible second anti-town faction that had buildings from the get go tbh. Eh, we'll see it when we lynch it

About Tim's action, it would be weird if a tracking target not moving would have an "unsuccessful" result, I think it's more likely his NK was unsuccessful
More seriously, in case the day ends early I was thinking of blocking Tim, but if y'all want to test gun ownership I won't.

[madmitch]

I am not sure who is scum,I first thought it was Dakky because of me tracking him to skoffin and skoffin is killed.But then you hear he has no gun and that kind of throws that theory out of the window.Who says you need a gun to kill someone? Then we have strikewolf last post about the scum building the wonder,that makes no sense at all and kind of scummy,far as I know the scum is not building anything just destroying unless you know something different SW?

[Minister Masket]

Whoops, I meant to post a Vote Count last night but it must've slipped my mind. Will put one up when I return home later.

[strike wolf]

@Strike im curious why would you choose to build the wonder when one is already being built (was mentioned in D2 scene) where it says only 1 can complete the wonder??

im with one of the above posts and either DJ or strike is scum

N1 built a building N2 did a unknown action with a unknown building that granted a unknown action to happen at some point down the road N3 started a wonder

@DJ what did you build N1 that made you decide to start a wonder on N2?

with that Declare friends Dakky

Tim. I started the wonder n2 (and as far as I know the wonder mention in N2 scene was mine). There's also no unknown n2 action as if you take a bit of time to read you would already know I started the wonder night 2 and you would know I stated that the building I made night 1 granted me an as of yet unknown passive ability.

[TimWoodbury]

did i read the chart wrong because the chart shows N3 in that case id want to look at DJ. im just curious as was mentioned what is the building that gave you the unknown action to happen who knows when??

now to DJ i suck at the game so your prolly lucky that i wont get my way as i really do bealive dakky is town and he is going to be a mislynch really hope we can find a better person to lynch

[Fircoal]

did i read the chart wrong because the chart shows N3 in that case id want to look at DJ. im just curious as was mentioned what is the building that gave you the unknown action to happen who knows when??

now to DJ i suck at the game so your prolly lucky that i wont get my way as i really do bealive dakky is town and he is going to be a mislynch really hope we can find a better person to lynch

The chart is designed in a weird way because I'm not tracking what someone's building as much as what they're doing at night. In the case of Strike he's not doing anything because he's building the wonder and living of a passive. So I just put that he was wonder buuilding.

[nagerous]

Look at this now.... I am at L-1 currently (or in a few hours).

I'll go and DECLARE WAR ON strike_wolf!

for unvoting benga and then voting hotshot 3 times in a row... I think he is trying to manipulate town minds while looking pro town.

Now, I'm at L-4 and he will get what he deserves for being at war. If I'm wrong, shoot me.

Do you actually think he is scum or are you just trying to sabotage him out of spite? The reasoning is a joke and that declaration doesn't seem to be the actions of someone with the towns best interest in mind but more someone keen to save their skin

vote dakky

[Minister Masket]

Vote Count

dakky21 - 4 (djfireside, strike, ga7, nag)
madmitch - 0
ga7 - 0
skoffin - 0
strike wolf - 0
Samlen - 0
TimWoodbury - 0
Ragian - 0
nagerous - 0
Fircoal - 0
Skittles - 0
Djfireside - 1 (dakky)

Day 4 started on Tue, so on today (Wed) it takes 3 to Lynch! (dakky needs 6)
Tim proposes friendship with Dakky

Actually the clock is about to tick down to 2 to lynch, so with dakky's +3 War Bonus, he would be a L-1.
HOWEVER, accepting the DOF would buy him another day and put DJ in jeopardy! Oooooh so exciting.

[dakky21]

Sorry, I'm a bad with words and bad mafia player. I don't know how to defend myself while I already claimed and said everything what I know. I think not lying is the best defense, but somehow you people won't accept it from game to game. Yes. I am aware this is a game of lying but there should be some meta going around. If I do get lynched, I ask town to look into who started the lynch on me and why.

fp'd by vote count... speaking of.... here it goes...
accept friendship with Tim

So I need 7 votes. Go mislynch me so I can check the thread how it goes further I foresee some big cases here...

[dakky21]

EBWOP: BTW. I expect DjF to go into war with someone now, and, yeah, it's starting to be complicated.

[TimWoodbury]

vote dj timer about to go to l=2 so im gonna try to get DJ while i have a chance to get him...before he has a chance to declare war or find a friend...

[dakky21]

I don't know what to say, if DJ flips town then they will target me tomorrow again and lose another town... so I guess Tim you should unvote DJ. We have some more time for conversation and see who will DJ go into war and friendship... I don't mind getting lynched for a greater good.

[Djfireside]

Well I guess I wont play the check that I was going to do, especially since I have a feeling asking people to read their PM and then using the information from that is not fair play, I will satisfy everyone who is asking since we are at this precipice.

Tim, The FOS I had on you from Day1 sticks and this subvert is very scummy but nicely played especially on someone who claims they suck at the game

I am France.

More to come after this


FP Dakky