The Hobbit Mafia [Town win]

[madmitch]

@ MM thanks for your info

[FloresDelMal]

An SK who has yet to make a kill? -All kills are currently accounted for and there's still no proper indication of any third party presence at all...

the day kills are accounted for you mean, because the night kills are not, why could you use such a silly lie? the absence of bodies could be due to many things, an smart doc, a lucky role blocker, a bullet proof target, negligence in sending a night action, even a bus driver, none of this hypothesis exclude the existence of an anti town third party like a SK, we only had 2 nights, when no one died on night one did you truly believe that was because there are no killing roles? my argument might be half based on your shifty behaviour and half on my guts, but your defence is pure fallacy, sorry but i don't trust liars, and your argument of "i am town because i didn't vote for dakky" looks like a skilled scumster trying to fool us with reverse psychology to me

[Ragian]

To those asking what Skoff and I discussed, bear in mind it was only two night phases. The first we only touched on our plan for the next day phase, and the second was mainly talking about dakky. Skoff never really mentioned outright who she suspected overall. I did, but I mention who during the right times. For example:

Don't you mean that it's 99% certain that he's a mason? I've tried games with one mason town and one mason scum. (I don't know if that would fit the flavour, but I usually don't use flavour in my arguments.)

The fact that Fili and Kili are brothers has been mentioned enough times already in this game, and so Ragian as a town player would know not to doubt it. Considering that he has been trying to get votes on me for awhile now, it kinda fits onto place that he would try to latch onto something like this to continually attack me with. Frankly, I think enough's enough now.

Vote Ragian

Here's an OMGUS vote: vote MM (Well, not really. It's rooted in facts.)

If you are indeed a mason, there's (almost) no way you guys were talking during the two night phases, and since there would be no reason for a town mason to lie, I'm assuming that you're not. We've got one, folks. Let's make this easy and smooth.

[ZaBeast]

@Rag: I don't see how your argument holds. Continue with nonsensical arguments and it will indeed be easy and smooth
I thought back on that part D2 when he was terrified of hammering dakky. Now, that was before dakky said he would kill the hammer, so why did mitch think he would die by hammering dakky? My theory is that he knew dakky was scum and was affraid of him being a bomb, since Pika had said earlier that dakky could be a scum bomb instead of a vengeful townie. Unvote vote mitch

[ZaBeast]

I thought back on that part D2 when hemitch was terrified of hammering dakky. Now, that was before dakky said he would kill the hammer, so why did mitch think he would die by hammering dakky? My theory is that he knew dakky was scum and was affraid of him being a bomb, since Pika had said earlier that dakky could be a scum bomb instead of a vengeful townie. Unvote vote mitch

he=mitch. fixed in the quote

[Ragian]

Surely, you can think of a reason for me to state why MM hasn't spoken to Skoffin during the night phase. I believe in you.

[Pikanchion]

An SK who has yet to make a kill? -All kills are currently accounted for and there's still no proper indication of any third party presence at all...

the day kills are accounted for you mean, because the night kills are not, why could you use such a silly lie? the absence of bodies could be due to many things, an smart doc, a lucky role blocker, a bullet proof target, negligence in sending a night action, even a bus driver, none of this hypothesis exclude the existence of an anti town third party like a SK, we only had 2 nights, when no one died on night one did you truly believe that was because there are no killing roles? my argument might be half based on your shifty behaviour and half on my guts, but your defence is pure fallacy, sorry but i don't trust liars, and your argument of "i am town because i didn't vote for dakky" looks like a skilled scumster trying to fool us with reverse psychology to me

We can fairly safely assume that nobody has been saved due to being bulletproof as IcePack was the town's commuter and they left the game prior to the first even numbered night, both nights have ended early so all actions have been sent in prior to the deadline and the negligence angle doesn't work, while a bus driver cannot actually prevent somebody from being killed... Your hypothesis effectively boils down to us having both a Doctor and a RB'er who were both successful on the first night and with one of them also successful on the second night, and in this scenario you basically have to assume it was the RB'er who was successful both nights (as them changing target after an initial success would be entirely illogical unless dakky21 was responsible for the mafia's kill night one). How can you claim that the night kills are unaccounted for when any scenario involving an additonal killing role is so drastically unlikely compared to what almost certainly happened; a Doctor protected Thorthoth night one and scum changed target night two?

[Pikanchion]

Surely, you can think of a reason for me to state why MM hasn't spoken to Skoffin during the night phase. I believe in you.

Voting for near-enough confirmed town because "they can't be confirmed town because secrets" really isn't good enough, just say it...

[Kamikaze Jawa]

If you are indeed a mason, there's (almost) no way you guys were talking during the two night phases, and since there would be no reason for a town mason to lie, I'm assuming that you're not. We've got one, folks. Let's make this easy and smooth.

What reason would that be that they didn't talk?

[Ragian]

@Pika, it involves me claiming. I'm going to need more than one person wanting me to do so. However, mm must be lying.

[FloresDelMal]

a Doctor protected Thorthoth night one and scum changed target night two?

do you seriously believe that scum targeted an innocent child, and that any doctor worth its salt could protect someone who atm was nothing more than a trolling VT? the kid has improved since then, but i couldn't seriously call him a key player no matter how much he wants the prize

[Samlen]

To those asking what Skoff and I discussed, bear in mind it was only two night phases. The first we only touched on our plan for the next day phase, and the second was mainly talking about dakky. Skoff never really mentioned outright who she suspected overall. I did, but I mention who during the right times. For example:

Don't you mean that it's 99% certain that he's a mason? I've tried games with one mason town and one mason scum. (I don't know if that would fit the flavour, but I usually don't use flavour in my arguments.)

The fact that Fili and Kili are brothers has been mentioned enough times already in this game, and so Ragian as a town player would know not to doubt it. Considering that he has been trying to get votes on me for awhile now, it kinda fits onto place that he would try to latch onto something like this to continually attack me with. Frankly, I think enough's enough now.

Vote Ragian

Here's an OMGUS vote: vote MM (Well, not really. It's rooted in facts.)

If you are indeed a mason, there's (almost) no way you guys were talking during the two night phases, and since there would be no reason for a town mason to lie, I'm assuming that you're not. We've got one, folks. Let's make this easy and smooth.

Wait wait whenever i've had a pair of masons in a game they've ALWAYS been able to talk to each other at night and ALWAYS been town. And a town mason and a scum mason? The whole definition of the role is that they know both of them are innocent. Either way we've got an uncc'd highly likely town role you are now persecuting on what again seems to be the basis that the mod would've created a bastard game. FOS ragian

[Ragian]

I miss Skoffin...

[Ragian]

@Samlen, would you say that the mason talk is a night ability?

[BuJaber]

@Samlen, would you say that the mason talk is a night ability?

Yes that is I believe the norm.

Also spill whatever you're hiding. I'm all for waiting until a strategic time to share stuff. But you can't claim something about someone based on 'evidence' and then not disclose the information.

Take this as me officially asking you to tell us what you know about MM. As you are aware though I'm sort of suspicious of both right now so I'd be taking what you say with a grain of salt.

[Pikanchion]

@Samlen, would you say that the mason talk is a night ability?

So you're claiming roleblocker? -Masons can still talk if roleblocked...

[madmitch]

@ Zabeast, I never thought or said Dakky was a bomb or that he would kill the hammer, I just thought of past games that he would take me out, also Ragian might have a point with MM ( not a big one but a point ) I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MM would waste a night talking about Dakky a dead goon instead of looking for scum, Now my biggest concern is Pika, he is posting alot and argueing with Flores trying to look town, but why did he take his vote of Dakky and put it on DDS ? and then DDS is killed by Dakky was that a hint to your scum partner to kill DDS?

[Pikanchion]

I never thought or said Dakky was a bomb or that he would kill the hammer, I just thought of past games that he would take me out.

What was your issue with hammering specifically then?

As for Dakky I am not sure what side he is on? I have no problem if you guys want to hang him, but I will not get on that wagon because for sure he will take me with him, any other time sure.

Mitch, do you understand how non-town it sounds when you say that you won't do this and this based on self-preservation? This is a team effort. If you're town, you're willing to take the blows in order to get a collected town win.

You are right, but I am actually scared, at least when someone votes for me I have a chance to survive, here I don't think I will [survive], OKAY I WILL [vote for dakky21] as long as it is not the hammer.

VOTE DAKKY

[madmitch]

WOW trying to hide what I said

[Ragian]

@Samlen, would you say that the mason talk is a night ability?

So you're claiming roleblocker? -Masons can still talk if roleblocked...

No I'm not. Nice try, though.

I'm counting on two people flat out asking me to claim (Pika, BuJ).

[Pikanchion]

WOW trying to hide what I said :lol: :lol: :lol:

So what does this this post actually mean if I'm misrepresenting you so?

[Samlen]

yeah it's typically something they can do at night and it's rarely blockable (maybe a jailer ability could keep them from talking to each other but that's iffy).

[Minister Masket]

@Samlen, would you say that the mason talk is a night ability?

What nonsense is this? That is literally the definition of the mason role, in it's most traditional format.
Your attack on me is blowing up in your face with every post you make, and frankly I'm shocked you haven't garnered more votes with your unashamedly OMGUS vote back on me.

also Ragian might have a point with MM ( not a big one but a point ) I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MM would waste a night talking about Dakky a dead goon instead of looking for scum

No he doesn't, and surely you've played enough games now to know that discussing the most recently killed player and their relationships with other players is one of the best ways to scum hunt. Come on now, wakey wakey!

[Kamikaze Jawa]

@Samlen, would you say that the mason talk is a night ability?

Skoffin, Kili, a Mason allied with Thorin’s Company has been killed.

Abilities
Vote: During the day, you may use your vote to aid in lynching a player.
Mason: Each night you may communicate with your mason partner(s).

Says pretty clearly it's a night ability. I'm curious why you're so intent on believing that MM and Skoff couldn't communicate? The roleclaim from MM seems believable given Skoff's defense of MM, what are your reasons for thinking otherwise?

[FloresDelMal]

@Samlen, would you say that the mason talk is a night ability?

Skoffin, Kili, a Mason allied with Thorin’s Company has been killed.

Abilities
Vote: During the day, you may use your vote to aid in lynching a player.
Mason: Each night you may communicate with your mason partner(s).

Says pretty clearly it's a night ability. I'm curious why you're so intent on believing that MM and Skoff couldn't communicate? The roleclaim from MM seems believable given Skoff's defense of MM, what are your reasons for thinking otherwise?

QFT but i am against unjustified role claiming, seriously ppl stop with the fishing, it only help scum at