Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

[mookiemcgee]

I was train raped in 1983.

And in 84,85,86,87,88... After that you got too old and couldn't find willing rapists anymore.

[HitRed]

Listened to most of the Dr. Ford hearing.

She was very nice and came across well.
The official questioner for the Republicans did great.
The Republicans were very respectful.

I didn't hear any facts that would cause me to convict anyone.

[spurgistan]

Listened to most of the Dr. Ford hearing.

She was very nice and came across well.
The official questioner for the Republicans did great.
The Republicans were very respectful.

I didn't hear any facts that would cause me to convict anyone.

NOBODY NEEDS TO BE CONVICTED TO NOT APPOINT SOMEBODY TO THE SUPREME COURT. If you think somebody might have done something terrible to a few people, the kind of thing which would be prosecuted except for the privileges of power, just vote no to appoint him to the gorram Supreme Court. There have to be a few Republican justices that don't have credible assault claims backed up by some of their acquaintances and yearbook quotes, right? Right?

Sorry for caps, but golly gee.

[HitRed]

Listened to most of the Dr. Ford hearing.

She was very nice and came across well.
The official questioner for the Republicans did great.
The Republicans were very respectful.

I didn't hear any facts that would cause me to convict anyone.

NOBODY NEEDS TO BE CONVICTED TO NOT APPOINT SOMEBODY TO THE SUPREME COURT. If you think somebody might have done something terrible to a few people, the kind of thing which would be prosecuted except for the privileges of power, just vote no to appoint him to the gorram Supreme Court. There have to be a few Republican justices that don't have credible assault claims backed up by some of their acquaintances and yearbook quotes, right? Right?

Sorry for caps, but golly gee.

I was listening for some kind of solid evidence. Didn't hear it.

[thegreekdog]

Listened to most of the Dr. Ford hearing.

She was very nice and came across well.
The official questioner for the Republicans did great.
The Republicans were very respectful.

I didn't hear any facts that would cause me to convict anyone.

NOBODY NEEDS TO BE CONVICTED TO NOT APPOINT SOMEBODY TO THE SUPREME COURT. If you think somebody might have done something terrible to a few people, the kind of thing which would be prosecuted except for the privileges of power, just vote no to appoint him to the gorram Supreme Court. There have to be a few Republican justices that don't have credible assault claims backed up by some of their acquaintances and yearbook quotes, right? Right?

Sorry for caps, but golly gee.

What if, and I'm just throwing this out there, there wasn't a "privileges of power" issue and the assault claims were not "credible?" Your paragraph is exactly why people are upset at the Democrats. There is no indication at all from anyone on the left that Ford could be wrong about the identity of her assailant and the left continues with these "privilege" and "toxic masculinity" talking points. Yeah, these guys, including Kavanaugh, were privileged. Some of them have some kind of toxic masculinity. The high school and wealthy white culture are not trying to get confirmed to the Supreme Court; Kavanaugh is. There is literally nothing that the Republicans or Kavanaugh could say or do to change anyone's mind who was unsupportive of Kavanaugh prior to the accuser's revelation. That is why liberals and Democrats should be doing some self-reflection. The FBI and local police and anyone else could investigate, clear Kavanaugh's name, and it wouldn't matter.

Which, again, is why I said the White House should have pulled Kavanaugh. This is a no-win situation. As soon as the allegations came out, the best case scenario for conservatives was Kavanaugh is confirmed with a giant stain on the whole process and his judgeship.

[saxitoxin]

There have to be a few Republican justices that don't have credible assault claims

yeah, Kavanaugh only has incredible assault claims against him; nothing credible as we learned today

I'm expecting confirmation by (at worst) a 52-45-3 vote or (at best) a 55-43-2 vote by this time next week and robing the week after.

Since no evidence was presented today, and Ford's claims withered under scrutiny, the Republicans should be free to vote him through.

The claims are so questionable now that Tester and Manchin will break with the Democrats and abstain (or maybe even defect to the Republicans on this vote) to avoid making this an election issue for their flagging campaigns. Heitkamp is a serious abstention candidate due to her vulnerability in November. King, who is judicially minded and doesn't have any party loyalty, will abstain.

[Neoteny]

Men are too emotional for the Supreme Court.

Also, testimony is evidence you dunce.

[saxitoxin]

Men are too emotional for the Supreme Court.

Also, testimony is evidence you dunce.

Correct, the testimony of the three third-party witnesses that no party occurred is evidence Ford's allegations are bunk.

I'm not saying she lied, but she is receiving long term mental health treatment for unrelated issues so this is to be expected. We don't even know what psychonarcotic prescriptions she's on.

[Neoteny]

Sure, sure, but he couldn't keep his emotions under control for a job interview, despite all the supposedly false accusations. Really not Supreme Court material.

[saxitoxin]

More information has emerged on the other Kavanaugh accuser. It appears she's even more of a psycho than Ford.

It's now emerged that - in 2001 - Swetnick had a restraining order filed against her after she threatened to murder the wife and child of her ex-boyfriend unless they got back together.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... ser-845348

The Democrats' Kavanaugh roadblock is unraveling faster than a ball of yarn in a cat cafe.

Another MAGA-Victory!

[saxitoxin]

OMG, with all the great news that's breaking today, Kavanaugh's impending confirmation is so exciting that I'm already looking forward to the expiration of Ginsberg's term!

Once that happens, that'll mean Trump is responsible for one-third of the justices on SCOTUS.

I hope the next justice he appoints is a 25 year-old recent law school grad with a 10-inch dick, so that he's on the court for the next 70 years.

[Neoteny]

Oh no this guy's an alcoholic too. Lol I guess a bright side to his possible confirmation is that he'll cirrhose himself right back out probably before RBG even kicks it.

[spurgistan]

Listened to most of the Dr. Ford hearing.

She was very nice and came across well.
The official questioner for the Republicans did great.
The Republicans were very respectful.

I didn't hear any facts that would cause me to convict anyone.

NOBODY NEEDS TO BE CONVICTED TO NOT APPOINT SOMEBODY TO THE SUPREME COURT. If you think somebody might have done something terrible to a few people, the kind of thing which would be prosecuted except for the privileges of power, just vote no to appoint him to the gorram Supreme Court. There have to be a few Republican justices that don't have credible assault claims backed up by some of their acquaintances and yearbook quotes, right? Right?

Sorry for caps, but golly gee.

What if, and I'm just throwing this out there, there wasn't a "privileges of power" issue and the assault claims were not "credible?" Your paragraph is exactly why people are upset at the Democrats. There is no indication at all from anyone on the left that Ford could be wrong about the identity of her assailant and the left continues with these "privilege" and "toxic masculinity" talking points. Yeah, these guys, including Kavanaugh, were privileged. Some of them have some kind of toxic masculinity. The high school and wealthy white culture are not trying to get confirmed to the Supreme Court; Kavanaugh is. There is literally nothing that the Republicans or Kavanaugh could say or do to change anyone's mind who was unsupportive of Kavanaugh prior to the accuser's revelation. That is why liberals and Democrats should be doing some self-reflection. The FBI and local police and anyone else could investigate, clear Kavanaugh's name, and it wouldn't matter.

Which, again, is why I said the White House should have pulled Kavanaugh. This is a no-win situation. As soon as the allegations came out, the best case scenario for conservatives was Kavanaugh is confirmed with a giant stain on the whole process and his judgeship.

As I've said before, the FBI can't investigate unless the President formally asks them to, because it's his nominee. It really boggles the mind why the President isn't down to investigate sexual assault claims against his own nominee.

[Neoteny]

Lmao every woman in this picture.

Click image to enlarge.

[saxitoxin]

As I've said before, the FBI can't investigate unless the President formally asks them to, because it's his nominee. It really boggles the mind why the President isn't down to investigate sexual assault claims against his own nominee.

Because, according to Jessica Estepa (a member of the lying press), writing last July, the FBI reports to the Attorney-General and the president has no power to start or stop an FBI investigation.

This, of course, is the argument the lying press have breathlessly regurgitated for the last two years as to why Trump can't order an FBI inquiry into Hillary, or why Trump can't call off FBI inquiries into the McCarthyist Russia thing.

The "resistance" wants to have their cake and eat it too ... the president can't start/stop FBI investigations when it doesn't please them, but when it pleases them he can start/stop investigations to his heart's content.

This is all aside from the fact that the Committee itself reports it has 20 seasoned staff investigators, supported by seconded agents from the ATF and ICE, already investigating all leads. The "why doesn't the FBI investigate" is the resistance's last stand of their imploding debacle.

[saxitoxin]

The Swetnick story continues to unravel ...

- This morning we learned she recently had a restraining order taken out against her after she threatened to brutally murder another woman and the woman's baby.
- Now the Wall Street Journal reports that she's a serial sex harassment claimant. In her most recent wolf crying incident, she sued New York Life for sexual harassment, which they settled by giving her an undisclosed sum to go away. (The icing on the cake is that she was repped in that suit by Debra Katz who is, herself, now representing Ford. There are 455,000 lawyers in the United States and Swetnick and Ford just happen, coincidentally, to have the same one.)

BAM!

[armati]

".....don’t be taken in by all of the political bickering surrounding Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. The conservatives’ defense of Kavanaugh is as irrelevant as the liberals’ accusations against Kavanaugh. The fact is, Kavanaugh is a Deep State toady who is up to his neck in covering up the government’s murder of former Clinton Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster. Speaking of which, Trump has done nothing to bring the Deep State witch, Hillary Clinton, to justice like he said he would do, either."

Just an interesting pce of an article concerning kavanaugh.

From
Chuck Baldwin Sums It Up: Trump Blew It
Paul Craig Roberts:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

Prolly a bit of a different perspective, I havnt been following the thread so I dont know for sure.
As far as Im concerned the whole thing has been for show, entertainment from the deep state.

[Neoteny]

So my feel after all that is that he will be confirmed. His tantrum was enough to give the Republicans room to squirm if they need to, and there's no way the slugs who brought in a prosecutor to question a witness (and ignore the accused) will treat her testimony with any weight.

Now we get to see if a judge will get impeached.

[saxitoxin]

the slugs who brought in a prosecutor to question a witness (and ignore the accused) will treat her testimony with any weight

One of Ford's demands was that a female attorney from outside the Senate question her. Either you weren't aware of that or you think Ford is a slug.

We may agree!

[Neoteny]

the slugs who brought in a prosecutor to question a witness (and ignore the accused) will treat her testimony with any weight

One of Ford's demands was that a female attorney from outside the Senate question her. Either you weren't aware of that or you think Ford is a slug.

We may agree!

Lmao it absolutely was not one of her demands. She apparently repeatedly expressed the opposite wish.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/politics ... 1538091900

The lawyer representing Christine Blasey Ford has sent a letter to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley expressing concern over the Republican's hiring of an "experienced sex crimes prosecutor" for Thursday's hearing.

Both Ford and Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh are set to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday for a public hearing to address Ford's accusations of sexual assault against Kavanaugh.
"This is not a criminal trial for which the involvement of an experienced sex crimes prosecutor would be appropriate," the letter from Ford's lawyer, Michael Bromwich, said. "Neither Dr. Blasey Ford nor Judge Kavanaugh is on trial. The goal should be to develop the relevant facts, not try a case."
Bromwich also wrote that using outside counsel to perform questioning on the senators' behalf would go against Ford's "repeated requests through counsel that senators conduct the questioning."

I know that conservatives are livid livid that their own plan backfired on them, but y'all need to own up to your own bullshit. Slugs.

[HitRed]

the slugs who brought in a prosecutor to question a witness (and ignore the accused) will treat her testimony with any weight

One of Ford's demands was that a female attorney from outside the Senate question her. Either you weren't aware of that or you think Ford is a slug.

We may agree!

Lmao it absolutely was not one of her demands. She apparently repeatedly expressed the opposite wish.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/politics ... 1538091900

The Republicans repeatedly said they would fly to California and interview her in private.

Fact

[Neoteny]

Saying she demanded a public senate hearing would be the truth. But that's not what Saxi said. She got that, but with a prosecutor as a mediator.

[thegreekdog]

So my feel after all that is that he will be confirmed. His tantrum was enough to give the Republicans room to squirm if they need to, and there's no way the slugs who brought in a prosecutor to question a witness (and ignore the accused) will treat her testimony with any weight.

Now we get to see if a judge will get impeached.

After all that, I agree he gets confirmed. I believe both Kavanaugh and Ford but there is virtually no evidence and the Democrats looked really bad today. They got lit up by Lindsey Graham. Their questions related not a bit to the alleged sexual assault of Ford and almost entirely to his high school yearbook and his drinking. The Republicans didn't do a great job either, so I think we're back to pre-accusation status which is basically a vote down party lines.

As far as Kavanaugh's speechifying, like I said above in another context, there was literally nothing he could have done to convince Democrats or liberals that he didn't sexually assault Ford. If he was judicial, they would have said he was cold and callous and calculating. He was emotional and so he's throwing a tantrum or too emotional to be an impartial judge (even though he was reacting to someone(s) accusing him of sexual assault and attempted rape). You saw something similar from Clarence Thomas. I've never been accused of anything I didn't do, but I suspect I would be emotional as would 99% of normal people.

Edit - I may go back and watch some of Kavanaugh's testimony again to see Alyssa Milano's reactions. I'm glad the Democrats were able to find a seat in the audience for such an august and respected journalist and politician.

Edit 2 - In case it wasn't clear from other posts in this thread, I have indicated and I will continue to indicate that the Republicans should drop Kavanaugh and nominate a female conservative. They should have done it already and I still think they should do it. I was hoping Sasse and Flake would bail, but looks like they will not.

[saxitoxin]

New poll of Likely Voters - 44% believe Kavanaugh allegations are a "witch hunt." More importantly, the 45% who don't believe it's a witch hunt are clustered in California, Oregon, Washington, New York, and Illinois.

Six Democratic senators are publicly undecided and four are in precarious re-election bids in places like Montana and West Virginia.

Kavanaugh can be confirmed without a single Democratic vote but it looks like he'll get them anyway.

[spurgistan]

As I've said before, the FBI can't investigate unless the President formally asks them to, because it's his nominee. It really boggles the mind why the President isn't down to investigate sexual assault claims against his own nominee.

Because, according to Jessica Estepa (a member of the lying press), writing last July, the FBI reports to the Attorney-General and the president has no power to start or stop an FBI investigation.

But this is the president asking the FBI to basically run a background check on his nominee. He, and his office alone, can do that.

When the FBI conducts a background investigation of a presidential nominee, it vacuums up all kinds of information about the nominee, including claims from people interviewed by agents, and dumps it into the file. It does not, however, investigate whether or not derogatory information is true — unless it's asked to follow up by the White House. Several current and former Justice Department and FBI officials say this has always been the practice, and there is actually a longstanding formal memorandum of understanding between DOJ and the White House that specifies these limits.