I thought we were letting this thread die... we already determined that NP is too scared to actually converse in a normal non-confrontational manner about politics and life.
pmac666 wrote:“There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." -- Bertrand Russell
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pmac666 wrote:“There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." -- Bertrand Russell
"Mustard's no good without roast beef." -- Chico Marx
jimboston wrote:ok... personal story time which is a good example of perspective...
About 20 years ago I was dating my now current wife.
My wife is asian and I am white.
We went for a walk on a Sunday morning, 2-3 miles, and after stopped at this small diner/breakfast place in town that we hadn’t been to before.
We went in an sat down.
The place was surprisingly slow for a Sunday, it was Summer and I guess people are traveling or whatever. Regardless it was fairly empty and the waitress didn’t seem busy. The waitress was conversing with a couple at another booth, she definitely saw us, but continued her conversation. We waited and waited, it seemed like maybe 10 minutes. Which was kinda annoying given the place was nearly empty. She continued talking to one couple, whom she appeared to know, and maybe topped the coffee for another table, etc.
I don’t know how long we waited after sitting... maybe 10 minutes, maybe a tad less, no more than 15.
Service was mediocre at best, she was definitely less attentive to our table than to others... things like getting coffee refills or other requests took longer. She was mostly hanging by the table of this couple she appeared to know. In general it was just a bad breakfast ‘experience’.
At the end. of the breakfast as we walked home my wife was convinced that the woman had giving us bad service because she was racist, and she didn’t like the idea of a good-looking white boy (my addition) being with an asian. I told my wife that I felt we got bad service because the woman was a bad server. Part of the bad service was because we were new/strangers and she was taking care of her regulars.... but part of it was because she was lazy and happy to chit-chat versus work (which would make her a bad server). Needless to say I didn’t press my case too hard, because it’s moot and not worth starting a fight with my girlfriend/wife.
So who is right?
Background, in general Massachusetts is very liberal, but as you get outside Boston to some suburban/rural areas you do get pockets of conservative areas. Now I don’t believe conservative = racist... but maybe there’s some overlap? That said, Boston proper has over 50% “people of color”, but some of these other towns are like 95%+ white... so definitely a different demographic.
The whole point here is... two people with the Exact Same experience, but because our predisposed world-view we have different opinions on what happened.
Honestly, it sounds like BS. The girlfriend/wife bit. The "asian" reference. Even if it's true, you don't come out of it well.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
jimboston wrote:ok... personal story time which is a good example of perspective...
About 20 years ago I was dating my now current wife.
My wife is asian and I am white.
We went for a walk on a Sunday morning, 2-3 miles, and after stopped at this small diner/breakfast place in town that we hadn’t been to before.
We went in an sat down.
The place was surprisingly slow for a Sunday, it was Summer and I guess people are traveling or whatever. Regardless it was fairly empty and the waitress didn’t seem busy. The waitress was conversing with a couple at another booth, she definitely saw us, but continued her conversation. We waited and waited, it seemed like maybe 10 minutes. Which was kinda annoying given the place was nearly empty. She continued talking to one couple, whom she appeared to know, and maybe topped the coffee for another table, etc.
I don’t know how long we waited after sitting... maybe 10 minutes, maybe a tad less, no more than 15.
Service was mediocre at best, she was definitely less attentive to our table than to others... things like getting coffee refills or other requests took longer. She was mostly hanging by the table of this couple she appeared to know. In general it was just a bad breakfast ‘experience’.
At the end. of the breakfast as we walked home my wife was convinced that the woman had giving us bad service because she was racist, and she didn’t like the idea of a good-looking white boy (my addition) being with an asian. I told my wife that I felt we got bad service because the woman was a bad server. Part of the bad service was because we were new/strangers and she was taking care of her regulars.... but part of it was because she was lazy and happy to chit-chat versus work (which would make her a bad server). Needless to say I didn’t press my case too hard, because it’s moot and not worth starting a fight with my girlfriend/wife.
So who is right?
Background, in general Massachusetts is very liberal, but as you get outside Boston to some suburban/rural areas you do get pockets of conservative areas. Now I don’t believe conservative = racist... but maybe there’s some overlap? That said, Boston proper has over 50% “people of color”, but some of these other towns are like 95%+ white... so definitely a different demographic.
The whole point here is... two people with the Exact Same experience, but because our predisposed world-view we have different opinions on what happened.
Honestly, it sounds like BS. The girlfriend/wife bit. The "asian" reference. Even if it's true, you don't come out of it well.
Not BS... but you can believe what you want.
In what way do I “not come out of it well”? What could I / should I have done differently? How does it make me ‘look’ bad?
jimboston wrote:Now I don’t believe conservative = racist... but maybe there’s some overlap?
Are you REALLY going to use phrases like this in efforts to get people to try to have a constructive dialog?
You don’t think there is some overlap?
I consider myself more Conservative than Liberal... at least as how these terms where used historically.
That said, I’m not afraid to admit there’s overlap... and distance myself from the racist side when I can.
It’s sad.
I was ALL ONBOARD when the Tea Party first started, and it was about reducing / simplifying taxes, and smart spending.
Then some how the movement got stolen by the crazies and the racists.
You get the joke, then.
