Who take vaccine?

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I did that since saxi cannot read well after the 2nd paragraph, especially since I did not include pictures or a video.

That's not false.

That which is NOT false must be true. Again, QED.

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saxi said:

There is absolutely no rational, Science-based reason for me to get vaccinated.

This shows saxi weak logic and poor analysis from the facts presented. He draws the wrong conclusion from his statements. QED

Just yelling "WRONG!" with no further explanation doesn't make anything I said wrong.

Why would I get an experimental vaccine to protect me against a disease that I have a 1-in-1000 chance of having a 1-in-50 chance of being hospitalized from? I have a far better chance of being injured in a car accident this year but I still drive.

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saxi said:

There is absolutely no rational, Science-based reason for me to get vaccinated.

This shows saxi weak logic and poor analysis from the facts presented. He draws the wrong conclusion from his statements. QED

Just yelling "WRONG!" with no further explanation doesn't make anything I said wrong.

Why would I get an experimental vaccine to protect me against a disease that I have a 1-in-1000 chance of having a 1-in-50 chance of being hospitalized from? I have a far better chance of being injured in a car accident this year but I still drive.

It is self-explanatory. Re-read the posts if you need to saxi. I am sorry if you cannot see the fallacy of your own logic.

If A = B. and B = C, then X is not equal to C. QED #3

saxi is still trying and comes up short again. I guess his ED is really taking hold.

[KoolBak]

What in the actual f*ck are you yammering about? Did I fucking say it was contagious? I cared for my best friend for years as he died. I fucking know it's not fucking contagious.

You just don't get it. Go volunteer at your fucking Virginia shitholes and let men talk. This is my last note to you, you babbling fucking tool.

I honestly don't understand why the argument

Ya know what's fucking scary? ALS. 100% death rate. Odds in general of getting, 1 in 1000. Worst for white males.

My best friend and brother in law got it at 30. Dead at 34. I can't imagine a worse way to go.

No vaccine. No potential vaccine. No cure. No chance of survival.

f*ck YOU ALS.

ALS is not spread by close contact. COVID is, like the flu and the common cold and other respiratory diseases.

Compare death rates for the two:

ALS Statistics
Most people who develop ALS are between the ages of 40 and 70, although the disease can occur at a younger age.
It occurs throughout the world with no racial, ethnic or socioeconomic boundaries.
It affects as many as 30,000 in the United States, with 5,000 new cases diagnosed each year.
Estimates suggest that ALS is responsible for as many as five of every 100,000 deaths in people aged 20 or older.
ALS is most common among persons over age 60.

618.000 cases of death due to COVID in the USA so far, in some 18 months or so. ODDS of dying of COVID, a CONTAGIOUS disease, is a greater concern.

ALS Facts
ALS is not contagious.
90% of ALS cases are sporadic. ALS can strike any race or ethnic background, at any age.
It is estimated that ALS is responsible for nearly two deaths per hundred thousand population annually. More people die every year of ALS than of Huntington's disease (about 5 times higher) or multiple sclerosis.

[saxitoxin]

SCIENCE-BASED FACTUAL Q&A ON VACCINE SAFETY

Q: On what does the FDA base its verification of the safety of vaccines? Does the FDA conduct trials or tests to confirm vaccine safety?
A: No, the FDA relies entirely on data reported by the pharmaceutical manufacturers to assert safety. The safety data is only as good as the honesty of the pharma corporations.

Q: Pfizer must be very honest and transparent, though, right?
A: In 2004, Pfizer was fined $430,000,000 for "illegal and fraudulent promotion of unapproved uses for one of its drug products."

Q: But they learned their lesson and are honest now, right?
A: Five years later, in 2009, Pfizer was fined $2.3 billion by the United States after it was found to have "caused false claims to be submitted to government health care programs for uses that were not medically accepted indications." This fact was only revealed several years after the crimes occurred, after internal whistleblowers contacted federal law enforcement.

Q: But Johnson & Johnson is okay?
A: In 2013, J&J was fined $2.2 billion for giving kickbacks to physicians to assert their Risperdal, Invega and Natrecor were either safe or had only minor side effects.

Q: But other than that, they're okay?
A: In 2018, it was revealed J&J knew for at least 30 years that their Baby Powder caused cancer. They settled a $2 billion lawsuit with the victims.

Q: So if one of the vaccines - that were developed using an mRNA technique that has never before been used on humans - turns out to be unsafe and I suffer the consequences, I or my family can sue for my recovery, medical bills, wheelchair, nursing costs, loss of work, burial and funeral expenses, etc.?
A: All pharma companies have been granted total civil immunityfrom lawsuits for adverse effects and death resulting from the COVID-19 vaccines. And the U.S. Government will also not compensate you. You're completely on your own, law-of-the-jungle style.

Q: Why are professional politicians pushing so hard for people at astronomically low risk to be vaccinated?
A: Last year, Pfizer and its employees gave $4.5 million in political donations and spent $10.5 million lobbying. Other pharma companies spent similar amounts. Pfizer is a for-profit corporation, owned by BlackRock. It is not a medical charity or a do-gooder organization.

[HitRed]

I’ve need seen politicians so excited about people taking drugs before. Never. You should always trust a politician.

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KB,

Sorry for your terrible Losses; I am sure you are in PAIN from THAT.

And thank you for your wonderfully articulate and thoughtful response.

This thread is about vaccines (for COVID), not ALS. Please see the title. And have a nice day.

btw: I AM A REAL MAN and I don't have use obscenities to make my point. Can you?

What in the actual f*ck are you yammering about? Did I fucking say it was contagious? I cared for my best friend for years as he died. I fucking know it's not fucking contagious.

You just don't get it. Go volunteer at your fucking Virginia shitholes and let men talk. This is my last note to you, you babbling fucking tool.

I honestly don't understand why the argument

Ya know what's fucking scary? ALS. 100% death rate. Odds in general of getting, 1 in 1000. Worst for white males.

My best friend and brother in law got it at 30. Dead at 34. I can't imagine a worse way to go.

No vaccine. No potential vaccine. No cure. No chance of survival.

f*ck YOU ALS.

ALS is not spread by close contact. COVID is, like the flu and the common cold and other respiratory diseases.

Compare death rates for the two:

ALS Statistics
Most people who develop ALS are between the ages of 40 and 70, although the disease can occur at a younger age.
It occurs throughout the world with no racial, ethnic or socioeconomic boundaries.
It affects as many as 30,000 in the United States, with 5,000 new cases diagnosed each year.
Estimates suggest that ALS is responsible for as many as five of every 100,000 deaths in people aged 20 or older.
ALS is most common among persons over age 60.

618.000 cases of death due to COVID in the USA so far, in some 18 months or so. ODDS of dying of COVID, a CONTAGIOUS disease, is a greater concern.

ALS Facts
ALS is not contagious.
90% of ALS cases are sporadic. ALS can strike any race or ethnic background, at any age.
It is estimated that ALS is responsible for nearly two deaths per hundred thousand population annually. More people die every year of ALS than of Huntington's disease (about 5 times higher) or multiple sclerosis.

[jusplay4fun]

SCIENCE-BASED FACTUAL Q&A ON VACCINE SAFETY

Q: On what does the FDA base its verification of the safety of vaccines? Does the FDA conduct trials or tests to confirm vaccine safety?
A: No, the FDA relies entirely on data reported by the pharmaceutical manufacturers to assert safety. The safety data is only as good as the honesty of the pharma corporations.

Q: Pfizer must be very honest and transparent, though, right?
A: In 2004, Pfizer was fined $430,000,000 for "illegal and fraudulent promotion of unapproved uses for one of its drug products."

Q: But they learned their lesson and are honest now, right?
A: Five years later, in 2009, Pfizer was fined $2.3 billion by the United States after it was found to have "caused false claims to be submitted to government health care programs for uses that were not medically accepted indications." This fact was only revealed several years after the crimes occurred, after internal whistleblowers contacted federal law enforcement.

Q: But Johnson & Johnson is okay?
A: In 2013, J&J was fined $2.2 billion for giving kickbacks to physicians to assert their Risperdal, Invega and Natrecor were either safe or had only minor side effects.

Q: But other than that, they're okay?
A: In 2018, it was revealed J&J knew for at least 30 years that their Baby Powder caused cancer. They settled a $2 billion lawsuit with the victims.

Q: So if one of the vaccines - that were developed using an mRNA technique that has never before been used on humans - turns out to be unsafe and I suffer the consequences, I or my family can sue for my recovery, medical bills, wheelchair, nursing costs, loss of work, burial and funeral expenses, etc.?
A: All pharma companies have been granted total civil immunityfrom lawsuits for adverse effects and death resulting from the COVID-19 vaccines. And the U.S. Government will also not compensate you. You're completely on your own, law-of-the-jungle style.

Q: Why are professional politicians pushing so hard for people at astronomically low risk to be vaccinated?
A: Last year, Pfizer and its employees gave $4.5 million in political donations and spent $10.5 million lobbying. Other pharma companies spent similar amounts. Pfizer is a for-profit corporation, owned by BlackRock. It is not a medical charity or a do-gooder organization.

SO what website did you copy this from? conspiracy dot com??

[jusplay4fun]

saxi said:

There is absolutely no rational, Science-based reason for me to get vaccinated.

This shows saxi weak logic and poor analysis from the facts presented. He draws the wrong conclusion from his statements. QED

Just yelling "WRONG!" with no further explanation doesn't make anything I said wrong.

Why would I get an experimental vaccine to protect me against a disease that I have a 1-in-1000 chance of having a 1-in-50 chance of being hospitalized from? I have a far better chance of being injured in a car accident this year but I still drive.

It is self-explanatory. Re-read the posts if you need to saxi. I am sorry if you cannot see the fallacy of your own logic.

If A = B. and B = C, then X is not equal to C. QED #3

saxi is still trying and comes up short again. I guess his ED is really taking hold.

NO Response

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saxi said:

There is absolutely no rational, Science-based reason for me to get vaccinated.

This shows saxi weak logic and poor analysis from the facts presented. He draws the wrong conclusion from his statements. QED

Just yelling "WRONG!" with no further explanation doesn't make anything I said wrong.

Why would I get an experimental vaccine to protect me against a disease that I have a 1-in-1000 chance of having a 1-in-50 chance of being hospitalized from? I have a far better chance of being injured in a car accident this year but I still drive.

There is NO need to offer more. When I do, you IGNORE the post and fail to respond. Do you bother to READ? SO why do I need give you more explanation? QED #4

Do you need to be told what is meant by QED? Please google it. That will tell you why I need NOT respond any further. Learn something, please.

Also, this is not JUST about saxi. You are not the only person impacted by all this; you are NOT that important, saxi. How many times do I have to remind you of THAT FACT?

[HitRed]

Do you debate the needy souls in the food line? Tell them their not important?

[saxitoxin]

SCIENCE-BASED FACTUAL Q&A ON VACCINE SAFETY

Q: On what does the FDA base its verification of the safety of vaccines? Does the FDA conduct trials or tests to confirm vaccine safety?
A: No, the FDA relies entirely on data reported by the pharmaceutical manufacturers to assert safety. The safety data is only as good as the honesty of the pharma corporations.

Q: Pfizer must be very honest and transparent, though, right?
A: In 2004, Pfizer was fined $430,000,000 for "illegal and fraudulent promotion of unapproved uses for one of its drug products."

Q: But they learned their lesson and are honest now, right?
A: Five years later, in 2009, Pfizer was fined $2.3 billion by the United States after it was found to have "caused false claims to be submitted to government health care programs for uses that were not medically accepted indications." This fact was only revealed several years after the crimes occurred, after internal whistleblowers contacted federal law enforcement.

Q: But Johnson & Johnson is okay?
A: In 2013, J&J was fined $2.2 billion for giving kickbacks to physicians to assert their Risperdal, Invega and Natrecor were either safe or had only minor side effects.

Q: But other than that, they're okay?
A: In 2018, it was revealed J&J knew for at least 30 years that their Baby Powder caused cancer. They settled a $2 billion lawsuit with the victims.

Q: So if one of the vaccines - that were developed using an mRNA technique that has never before been used on humans - turns out to be unsafe and I suffer the consequences, I or my family can sue for my recovery, medical bills, wheelchair, nursing costs, loss of work, burial and funeral expenses, etc.?
A: All pharma companies have been granted total civil immunityfrom lawsuits for adverse effects and death resulting from the COVID-19 vaccines. And the U.S. Government will also not compensate you. You're completely on your own, law-of-the-jungle style.

Q: Why are professional politicians pushing so hard for people at astronomically low risk to be vaccinated?
A: Last year, Pfizer and its employees gave $4.5 million in political donations and spent $10.5 million lobbying. Other pharma companies spent similar amounts. Pfizer is a for-profit corporation, owned by BlackRock. It is not a medical charity or a do-gooder organization.

SO what website did you copy this from? conspiracy dot com??

Which of the above points is factually incorrect? None, you say?

[jusplay4fun]

SCIENCE-BASED FACTUAL Q&A ON VACCINE SAFETY

Q: On what does the FDA base its verification of the safety of vaccines? Does the FDA conduct trials or tests to confirm vaccine safety?
A: No, the FDA relies entirely on data reported by the pharmaceutical manufacturers to assert safety. The safety data is only as good as the honesty of the pharma corporations.

Q: Pfizer must be very honest and transparent, though, right?
A: In 2004, Pfizer was fined $430,000,000 for "illegal and fraudulent promotion of unapproved uses for one of its drug products."

Q: But they learned their lesson and are honest now, right?
A: Five years later, in 2009, Pfizer was fined $2.3 billion by the United States after it was found to have "caused false claims to be submitted to government health care programs for uses that were not medically accepted indications." This fact was only revealed several years after the crimes occurred, after internal whistleblowers contacted federal law enforcement.

Q: But Johnson & Johnson is okay?
A: In 2013, J&J was fined $2.2 billion for giving kickbacks to physicians to assert their Risperdal, Invega and Natrecor were either safe or had only minor side effects.

Q: But other than that, they're okay?
A: In 2018, it was revealed J&J knew for at least 30 years that their Baby Powder caused cancer. They settled a $2 billion lawsuit with the victims.

Q: So if one of the vaccines - that were developed using an mRNA technique that has never before been used on humans - turns out to be unsafe and I suffer the consequences, I or my family can sue for my recovery, medical bills, wheelchair, nursing costs, loss of work, burial and funeral expenses, etc.?
A: All pharma companies have been granted total civil immunityfrom lawsuits for adverse effects and death resulting from the COVID-19 vaccines. And the U.S. Government will also not compensate you. You're completely on your own, law-of-the-jungle style.

Q: Why are professional politicians pushing so hard for people at astronomically low risk to be vaccinated?
A: Last year, Pfizer and its employees gave $4.5 million in political donations and spent $10.5 million lobbying. Other pharma companies spent similar amounts. Pfizer is a for-profit corporation, owned by BlackRock. It is not a medical charity or a do-gooder organization.

SO what website did you copy this from? conspiracy dot com??

Which of the above points is factually incorrect? None, you say?

And again, saxi refuses to answer the question posed. QED #5

The fact that saxi FAILS again to reveal his source(s) demonstrates that he spreads lies. As far as I know, he only cited his one source ONE time in one post in recent posts in this thread. When challenged on his source, HE again ignores my question. What is saxi HIDING? THE TRUTH.

Typing "SCIENCE-BASED FACTUAL Q&A ON VACCINE SAFETY" at the top of lies does not make them "Factual." More red herrings from saxi. STOP the FAKE NEWS, saxi.

[jusplay4fun]

What You Need to Know
• COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.
• Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines under the most intense safety monitoring in U.S. history.
• CDC recommends you get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as possible.
• If you are fully vaccinated, you can resume activities that you did prior to the pandemic.

No end runs on safety
One of the biggest concerns patients voice about the COVID-19 vaccines is the relatively rapid EUA process, the panelists said.
Physicians can respond to such questions with more information about the process of testing and determining the vaccines’ safety and effectiveness, Dr. Bailey said.
“The EUA process that was adopted last summer for vaccines is actually not that much different than the licensing process,” she said.
“No corners were cut,” Dr. Bailey stressed.
The vaccine-development process is not new, added Dr. Srinivas. It has been under development for decades and in use for flu and other vaccines, she said.
“So, we know how it works, and when the pandemic hit, we already were hitting the ground running with this technology,” she added. “One thing that we really need to connect with our patients is to reassure them that we know how this technology works, because we've been working with it for so long.”

The AMA recently adopted policy to encourage social media companies and organizations to crack down on medical misinformation

All the above is from the AMA. How would the AMA view what saxi says about vaccine safety?

[Dukasaur]

Which of the above points is factually incorrect? None, you say?

Which of them was relevant? Oh, a similar number!

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Which of the above points is factually incorrect? None, you say?

Which of them was relevant? Oh, a similar number!

saxi: something else to learn, after you google QED

#2 = syllogism.

It is NOT the FACTS that I dispute, but your conclusion. Even true facts can be "used" to "support" a false conclusion. AND as Duk already pointed out, your facts are NOT RELEVANT.

Try again, saxi.

btw: I am glad that you are NOW using reputable sources.

[saxitoxin]

SCIENCE-BASED FACTUAL Q&A ON VACCINE SAFETY

Q: On what does the FDA base its verification of the safety of vaccines? Does the FDA conduct trials or tests to confirm vaccine safety?
A: No, the FDA relies entirely on data reported by the pharmaceutical manufacturers to assert safety. The safety data is only as good as the honesty of the pharma corporations.

Q: Pfizer must be very honest and transparent, though, right?
A: In 2004, Pfizer was fined $430,000,000 for "illegal and fraudulent promotion of unapproved uses for one of its drug products."

Q: But they learned their lesson and are honest now, right?
A: Five years later, in 2009, Pfizer was fined $2.3 billion by the United States after it was found to have "caused false claims to be submitted to government health care programs for uses that were not medically accepted indications." This fact was only revealed several years after the crimes occurred, after internal whistleblowers contacted federal law enforcement.

Q: But Johnson & Johnson is okay?
A: In 2013, J&J was fined $2.2 billion for giving kickbacks to physicians to assert their Risperdal, Invega and Natrecor were either safe or had only minor side effects.

Q: But other than that, they're okay?
A: In 2018, it was revealed J&J knew for at least 30 years that their Baby Powder caused cancer. They settled a $2 billion lawsuit with the victims.

Q: So if one of the vaccines - that were developed using an mRNA technique that has never before been used on humans - turns out to be unsafe and I suffer the consequences, I or my family can sue for my recovery, medical bills, wheelchair, nursing costs, loss of work, burial and funeral expenses, etc.?
A: All pharma companies have been granted total civil immunityfrom lawsuits for adverse effects and death resulting from the COVID-19 vaccines. And the U.S. Government will also not compensate you. You're completely on your own, law-of-the-jungle style.

Q: Why are professional politicians pushing so hard for people at astronomically low risk to be vaccinated?
A: Last year, Pfizer and its employees gave $4.5 million in political donations and spent $10.5 million lobbying. Other pharma companies spent similar amounts. Pfizer is a for-profit corporation, owned by BlackRock. It is not a medical charity or a do-gooder organization.

SO what website did you copy this from? conspiracy dot com??

Which of the above points is factually incorrect? None, you say?

And again, saxi refuses to answer the question posed. QED #5

The fact that saxi FAILS again to reveal his source(s) demonstrates that he spreads lies. As far as I know, he only cited his one source ONE time in one post in recent posts in this thread. When challenged on his source, HE again ignores my question. What is saxi HIDING? THE TRUTH.

Typing "SCIENCE-BASED FACTUAL Q&A ON VACCINE SAFETY" at the top of lies does not make them "Factual." More red herrings from saxi. STOP the FAKE NEWS, saxi.

Again, you appear unable to dispute the factuality of a single point.

[saxitoxin]

[KoolBak]

Well played.

But, we all know Marlboros are better....

[HitRed]

Nice KB

I’m jealous of that setup.

[jusplay4fun]

SCIENCE-BASED FACTUAL Q&A ON VACCINE SAFETY

Q: On what does the FDA base its verification of the safety of vaccines? Does the FDA conduct trials or tests to confirm vaccine safety?
A: No, the FDA relies entirely on data reported by the pharmaceutical manufacturers to assert safety. The safety data is only as good as the honesty of the pharma corporations.

Q: Pfizer must be very honest and transparent, though, right?
A: In 2004, Pfizer was fined $430,000,000 for "illegal and fraudulent promotion of unapproved uses for one of its drug products."

Q: But they learned their lesson and are honest now, right?
A: Five years later, in 2009, Pfizer was fined $2.3 billion by the United States after it was found to have "caused false claims to be submitted to government health care programs for uses that were not medically accepted indications." This fact was only revealed several years after the crimes occurred, after internal whistleblowers contacted federal law enforcement.

Q: But Johnson & Johnson is okay?
A: In 2013, J&J was fined $2.2 billion for giving kickbacks to physicians to assert their Risperdal, Invega and Natrecor were either safe or had only minor side effects.

Q: But other than that, they're okay?
A: In 2018, it was revealed J&J knew for at least 30 years that their Baby Powder caused cancer. They settled a $2 billion lawsuit with the victims.

Q: So if one of the vaccines - that were developed using an mRNA technique that has never before been used on humans - turns out to be unsafe and I suffer the consequences, I or my family can sue for my recovery, medical bills, wheelchair, nursing costs, loss of work, burial and funeral expenses, etc.?
A: All pharma companies have been granted total civil immunityfrom lawsuits for adverse effects and death resulting from the COVID-19 vaccines. And the U.S. Government will also not compensate you. You're completely on your own, law-of-the-jungle style.

Q: Why are professional politicians pushing so hard for people at astronomically low risk to be vaccinated?
A: Last year, Pfizer and its employees gave $4.5 million in political donations and spent $10.5 million lobbying. Other pharma companies spent similar amounts. Pfizer is a for-profit corporation, owned by BlackRock. It is not a medical charity or a do-gooder organization.

SO what website did you copy this from? conspiracy dot com??

Which of the above points is factually incorrect? None, you say?

And again, saxi refuses to answer the question posed. QED #5

The fact that saxi FAILS again to reveal his source(s) demonstrates that he spreads lies. As far as I know, he only cited his one source ONE time in one post in recent posts in this thread. When challenged on his source, HE again ignores my question. What is saxi HIDING? THE TRUTH.

Typing "SCIENCE-BASED FACTUAL Q&A ON VACCINE SAFETY" at the top of lies does not make them "Factual." More red herrings from saxi. STOP the FAKE NEWS, saxi.

Again, you appear unable to dispute the factuality of a single point.

IRRELEVANT

[artillery77]

Not reading through all the pages, but was vaccinated awhile back with Pfizer. No side effects on the first shot. The 2nd saw me get tired midday following, but I slept and was fine. Could have been other attributes. Either way, easy win for something people can do.

For once, I have to hand it to the US government. The shutdowns (at least where I was) were a joke and the rollout of the vaccine seemed chaotic and ineffecient at first, but now you can get it at anyplace with a pharmacy...for free. You don't even need appointments anymore.

For the very few that cannot vax..my sympathies. For all the rest....I guess we let Darwin do his thing.

[saxitoxin]

For the very few that cannot vax..my sympathies. For all the rest....I guess we let Darwin do his thing.

You're going to be waiting a long time for Darwin to do his thing with a virus that is 99.3% non-lethal, according to Science. It's like you're part of the D-Day invasion, have been tasked with taking out an entire German platoon, and have chosen a large carrot as your weapon.

Vax Sheep all seem to think we're dealing with the bubonic plague. While they're cowering in fear, clutching their pearls, I'm out and about, business as usual. I may get it, I probably won't. Either way, no biggie.

[saxitoxin]

Iceland is one of the most vaccinated countries on Earth. According to Science, it's #13 out of 192 countries with 71% of the population fully vaccinated.

And yet, the United States just upgraded its travel warning to Iceland to EMERGENCY LEVEL 4 CODE CRIMSON - DO NOT TRAVEL.

Quality experimental drugs you're shooting yourselves up with, gang!



This post brought to you by Science.

[HitRed]

For the very few that cannot vax..my sympathies. For all the rest....I guess we let Darwin do his thing.

You're going to be waiting a long time for Darwin to do his thing with a virus that is 99.3% non-lethal, according to Science. It's like you're part of the D-Day invasion, have been tasked with taking out an entire German platoon, and have chosen a large carrot as your weapon.

Vax Sheep all seem to think we're dealing with the bubonic plague. While they're cowering in fear, clutching their pearls, I'm out and about, business as usual. I may get it, I probably won't. Either way, no biggie.

Gold