America back on top

Gold Knight · Post by **Gold Knight** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:13 pm

I know hes been there a while, but i got to give props to Yosevuk for representing the USA. Finally took back our rightful spot on top! Also, nice job to Gibbom for holding up that long in the top spot

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alex_white101 · Post by **alex_white101** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:34 am

the USA also holds 11 of the last 18 positions.

chessplaya · Post by **chessplaya** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:34 am

pussies

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:40 am

has anyone from the UK ever been on top?

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:45 am

Arrogance. Truly a virtue from America.

chessplaya · Post by **chessplaya** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:13 am

gimil wrote:has anyone from the UK ever been on top?

I am 80% of the time on top ... not sure about UK men maybe they bend over too much

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:05 am

So, did I get this right?
Yosevuk, who happens to be from the USA, likes to play team games together with certain people against random opponents and wins, therefore America is on top of the scoreboard on an insignificant online gaming site.

I'll need some time to ponder the significance of this, my initial impression is that it has none, but then again, I might be mistaken.

gingis khan · Post by **gingis khan** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:41 am

so many of us want that title...how's that NOT important?

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:08 pm

Gold Knight wrote:I know hes been there a while, but i got to give props to Yosevuk for representing the USA. Finally took back our rightful spot on top! Also, nice job to Gibbom for holding up that long in the top spot .

trying to claim glory for what someone else has done

eyeofdeath · Post by **eyeofdeath** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:40 pm

MeDeFe wrote:So, did I get this right?
Yosevuk, who happens to be from the USA, likes to play team games together with certain people against random opponents and wins, therefore America is on top of the scoreboard on an insignificant online gaming site.

I'll need some time to ponder the significance of this, my initial impression is that it has none, but then again, I might be mistaken.

He's totally jealous.

Molacole · Post by **Molacole** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:05 pm

eyeofdeath wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:So, did I get this right?
Yosevuk, who happens to be from the USA, likes to play team games together with certain people against random opponents and wins, therefore America is on top of the scoreboard on an insignificant online gaming site.

I'll need some time to ponder the significance of this, my initial impression is that it has none, but then again, I might be mistaken.
He's totally jealous.

or tired of seeing how rank takes a huge chunk of fun out of the website...

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:59 am

My conclusion is that it has no significance. Yosevuk and his partners are good at team games and win, accumulate points and get high positions on the scoreboard, I can see no connection whatsoever to their nationalities. Also, I have not heard of America sponsoring yosevuk, like providing him with a coach, advisors, etc, it follows that reaching the #1 spot is something he achieved mainly (teamgames!) on his own.
Having come to this conclusion there's only one thing to say really:
Congratulations yosevuk, well done!

On to pondering about the use of the word "rightful" in the original post.

Nephilim · Post by **Nephilim** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:52 pm

Skittles! wrote:Arrogance. Truly a virtue from America.

true enough, but we're not all like gold knight.....

OnlyAmbrose · Post by **OnlyAmbrose** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:54 pm

Molacole wrote:
eyeofdeath wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:So, did I get this right?
Yosevuk, who happens to be from the USA, likes to play team games together with certain people against random opponents and wins, therefore America is on top of the scoreboard on an insignificant online gaming site.

I'll need some time to ponder the significance of this, my initial impression is that it has none, but then again, I might be mistaken.
He's totally jealous.

or tired of seeing how rank takes a huge chunk of fun out of the website...

Nobody forces you to look at the ranks...

Gold Knight · Post by **Gold Knight** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:55 pm

By saying congratulations to a person and having some fun WHILE talking good about the former leader, how am i arrogant? I was having a good time while saying what a goood job hes done. Im sure if another person from a different country said this, there wouldnt be a problem.

Whats everyones problem with America? Not everyone here has the same views on the world. Im sorry by posting this that i offended so many people that dislike America.

Gold Knight · Post by **Gold Knight** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:57 pm

Nephilim wrote:
Skittles! wrote:Arrogance. Truly a virtue from America.
true enough, but we're not all like gold knight.....

And buddy, if you dont like the arrogance in America, no ones forcing you to stay. The doors wide open...

Jehan · Post by **Jehan** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:46 pm

uh, whats everyone whining about, he was clearly joking, some of my friends are American, their cool, and not arrogant.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:28 am

I'll do my best explain it to you. I'll bold all parts that seem in any way strange and then explain them one by one.

Gold Knight wrote:I know hes been there a while, but i got to give props to Yosevuk for representing the USA. Finally took back our rightful spot on top! Also, nice job to Gibbom for holding up that long in the top spot .

As I said in my last post, yosevuk does not represent the USA, in no way. He hasn't been elected by the US public to play here as their official representative, nor has he been appointed by the elected government to play here as a representative. He has, to my knowledge, received no support from the USA, economic or otherwise, that has actively helped him attain the position he holds on the scoreboard.
He, as an individual, joined this site, played games, won games, accumulated sufficient points and now holds the #1 position. The USA has nothing to do with that, it just so happens that he lives there and therefore has that small flag next to his name.

"Our rightful spot", now that's interesting.
I think it's a common phenomenon that whenever a person or team wins a competition, especially a large competition, people try to identify with this person or team and try to transfer positive aspects to themselves. It's something along the lines of "An icehockey team consisting of players with nationality X won the world championship; Nation X is the ice hockey world champion; I'm a citizen of nation X; Therefore I am, in a roundabout way, ice hockey world champion". In short: They achieved it, I'm like them, I might have achieved it as well.
Ice hockey can of course be substituted with any other comptetitive activity. This can be found in every country, it's nothing unique to the USA.

But "rightful spot", it's like saying that the USA deserves to be the #1 by default, as opposed to by merit. This implies that americans in general are in some way "better" and can achieve more than others. And any evidence of the contrary is just a statistical error that can be safely ignored. You see why this might irritate others, don't you?
Noone can object to an American being the best in his discipline because he trains hard, has experience, is disciplined, patient and talented. But saying that he deserves to be the best because he's american is a little like claiming that germans eat Sauerkraut because they are german, that french drink wine because they are french, that japanese read manga because they are japanese.
I know you didn't say it outright, but it is implied.

firth4eva and skittles already referred to this when they said

firth4eva wrote:trying to claim glory for what someone else has done

of course applying to my first point about identifying oneself with persons who have achieved something outstanding, which is, as I see it, a typically human phenomenon that should not be overly criticised; and if it is criticised it should be criticised in general and not case by case.

Skittles! wrote:Arrogance. Truly a virtue from America.

being an example of a reaction to what I described in my second point, your implication that the USA and its citizens are #1 by default, regardless of merit.

I hope this helps explain some of the reactions you received. It is not hostility or envy, but merely a reaction to a conveyed attitude in your post that you might or might not have been aware of. As I said, noone can object to a person or group of persons being #1 by merit, but if it is implied that this spot by default belongs to a person or group of a certain nationality, no matter if he or they have done the most to deserve it or not, you must not be surprised if other protest and criticise you for your statements.

EDIT: added an italicisation for clarification purposes, changed the germans example to something less offensive

Nephilim · Post by **Nephilim** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:51 pm

i'm bumping this b/c the last reply was so extremely well written. gold knight, you should pay attention to it and learn a little something about logic, mate. if someone doesn't agree w/ you, that doesn't mean s/he is a USA hater.

and if the USA is all about arrogance, maybe a great reason to leave, eh?

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:33 am

Good to know someone appreciates it, even if the person it was intended for does not. even know it exists.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:15 pm

Bump due to the Netherlands thread, who knows, this might actually interest someone, though it's not very likely.

xxtig12683xx · Post by **xxtig12683xx** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:10 pm

go america, we will be back on top soon!!

where we belong, LOL

-tig

TheBro · Post by **TheBro** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:54 pm

Am I the only one who doesn't care who is on the top unless it's me? I don't give a shit if SkyT reps America...

Scott-Land · Post by **Scott-Land** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:58 pm

gimil wrote:has anyone from the UK ever been on top?

trying to remember if I've ever slept with an English chick-- come to think of it, yeah she was on top....

Comic Boy held the number one spot for a time...

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