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[bigtoughralf]

Do you honestly need someone else to tell you that people in the UK don't get arrested for waving the UK's flag? Can't you work that out for yourself?

[jimboston]

Meanwhile in the streets of London...

When were you last there?

Last June… June 2024.

[jimboston]

Do you honestly need someone else to tell you that people in the UK don't get arrested for waving the UK's flag? Can't you work that out for yourself?

Oh sorry… I saw something saying he was arrest for waving a flag.
Apparently that was wrong… he was arrested for speaking.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/lond ... 023-10-16/

Funny… you like to criticize the US for revoking a non-citizen of her Student Visa for her speech. Yet in the UK apparently they arrest citizen’s for their speech. We didn’t arrest that student… we just revoked her Visa. In the UK they don’t value your right to voice your opinion if your opinion violates the sensibilities of the new power players in town.

[jimboston]

https://www.newsflare.com/video/599288/ ... ne-protest

[jimboston]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorshi ... ed_Kingdom

[jimboston]

https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world ... ree-speech

Slippery slope… who decides when a simple Facebook post is just an exercise of a right to freedom of expression and when it instead is “inciting” violence? I certainly don’t trust the Gov’t of the UK with this decision.

Seems like Ralf enjoys throwing stones when he lives in a glass house.

[kennyp72]

Meanwhile in the streets of London...

When were you last there?

Last June… June 2024.

And you didn't see any butchers aprons flying in Perfidious Albion?

[kennyp72]

Do you honestly need someone else to tell you that people in the UK don't get arrested for waving the UK's flag? Can't you work that out for yourself?

Oh sorry… I saw something saying he was arrest for waving a flag.
Apparently that was wrong… he was arrested for speaking.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/lond ... 023-10-16/

Funny… you like to criticize the US for revoking a non-citizen of her Student Visa for her speech. Yet in the UK apparently they arrest citizen’s for their speech. We didn’t arrest that student… we just revoked her Visa. In the UK they don’t value your right to voice your opinion if your opinion violates the sensibilities of the new power players in town.

The UK is currently under the yolk of a zionist.

[kennyp72]

https://www.newsflare.com/video/599288/met-police-warn-two-londoners-holding-england-flag-that-they-may-face-arrest-during-pro-palestine-protest

Its prudent to warn racist pricks not to be racists when they are vastly outnumbered by 'them' though Jim.

Its keeping the peace.

A Met police officer is heard telling them men that “the moment anything racist is said…people are going to start getting arrested. It’s a verbal warning.”

[kennyp72]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

Britons are subjects of HMTK, not citizens.

Have you heard the English national anthem?

[kennyp72]

https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/uk-authorities-threaten-extradition-jail-to-us-citizens-for-online-posts-stoking-riots-social-media-elon-musk-x-stabbing-taylor-swift-themed-event-children-dead-prime-minister-police-laws-free-speech

Slippery slope… who decides when a simple Facebook post is just an exercise of a right to freedom of expression and when it instead is “inciting” violence? I certainly don’t trust the Gov’t of the UK with this decision.

Seems like Ralf enjoys throwing stones when he lives in a glass house.

Oh he lives in a glass house alright.

Starmer is a danger.

[bigtoughralf]

Funny… you like to criticize the US for revoking a non-citizen of her Student Visa for her speech. Yet in the UK apparently they arrest citizen’s for their speech.

You seem to be getting gradually closer to the point of this thread. She was deported for exercising her legally protected right to protest.

Your UK example is irrelevant. The UK has laws against racist hate speech. That that man broke them and he was therefore arrested. None of his legal rights have been violated anywhere in that process.

[jimboston]

Meanwhile in the streets of London...

When were you last there?

Last June… June 2024.

And you didn't see any butchers aprons flying in Perfidious Albion?

Sure… when I toured The Tower of London and Windsor Castle.

Walking along the streets of London however I saw a ton of “Pride” flags (there was a parade overlapping the week I was there)… and a bunch of Palestinian flags. There were many corners occupied by Muslim ‘preachers’ blasting their music and “Prayers” at volumes that should’ve been considered “disturbing the peace” IMHO. I saw very few UK flags other than those at official gov’t buildings and tourist places, and in souvenir shops.

(I admit having to google your slang.)

[jimboston]

Funny… you like to criticize the US for revoking a non-citizen of her Student Visa for her speech. Yet in the UK apparently they arrest citizen’s for their speech.

You seem to be getting gradually closer to the point of this thread. She was deported for exercising her legally protected right to protest.

Your UK example is irrelevant. The UK has laws against racist hate speech. That that man broke them and he was therefore arrested. None of his legal rights have been violated anywhere in that process.

She was deported because her Visa was revoked.
You seem to be intentionally missing that point.
Please point to me the place in the US Constitution where is says that foreign nationals have a Right to Student Visas.

Please define “racist hate speech”. I think singing or chatting the slogan “From the River to the Sea Palestine Will be Free” is “racist hate speech”. Please explain how this is not so….

[saxitoxin]

The Supreme Court, in a unanimous, 9-0 ruling, just ordered the Trump Administration to provide sufficient advance notice prior to any deportations under the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) of 1798 that the deportees can have reasonable time to petition for the writ of habeas corpus prior to their actual removal. All three Trump-appointed justices (Barrett, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch) joined the order.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 1_2c83.pdf

[jimboston]

The Supreme Court, in a unanimous, 9-0 ruling, just ordered the Trump Administration to provide sufficient advance notice prior to any deportations under the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) of 1798 that the deportees can have reasonable time to petition for the writ of habeas corpus prior to their actual removal. All three Trump-appointed justices (Barrett, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch) joined the order.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 1_2c83.pdf

I’m not opposed to this.

It would not change the outcome of the case presented in the OP.

[Dukasaur]

The Supreme Court, in a unanimous, 9-0 ruling, just ordered the Trump Administration to provide sufficient advance notice prior to any deportations under the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) of 1798 that the deportees can have reasonable time to petition for the writ of habeas corpus prior to their actual removal. All three Trump-appointed justices (Barrett, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch) joined the order.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 1_2c83.pdf

[mookiemcgee]

I know many of you boomers are scared to open tiktoks, but this is a pretty good case study example about manufacturing in the USA and what you can expect moving forward with tariffs.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8j24hKA/

[bigtoughralf]

I saw very few UK flags other than those at official gov’t buildings and tourist places, and in souvenir shops.

Nationalism has had a fairly bad rep in Western Europe ever since that German guy with the funny moustache. You won't find many flags being flown outside of a sporting context.

She was deported because her Visa was revoked.

And her visa was revoked in response to her exercising her First Amendment right to protest. Are you comfortable with the US Government punishing people for engaging in peaceful protest?

[jimboston]

I saw very few UK flags other than those at official gov’t buildings and tourist places, and in souvenir shops.

Nationalism has had a fairly bad rep in Western Europe ever since that German guy with the funny moustache. You won't find many flags being flown outside of a sporting context.

It needs to come back… at least on some level… otherwise your country will be overrun and you’ll become little New Palestine within the next 20 years of sooner.

She was deported because her Visa was revoked.

And her visa was revoked in response to her exercising her First Amendment right to protest. Are you comfortable with the US Government punishing people for engaging in peaceful protest?

I am comfortable with the US gov’t revoking student Visas of foreign nationals when they engage in verbally violent hateful speech in support of known terrorist organizations. Yes.

When they start threatening to arrest citizens who post some off color stuff on Facebook… then I’ll be worried. When they tell citizens we can’t have counter protests in opposition to racist Nazi’s or Terrorist Hamas supports… then I’ll be worried. These are things that your gov’ts currently calls illegal.

[kennyp72]

Meanwhile in the streets of London...

When were you last there?

Last June… June 2024.

And you didn't see any butchers aprons flying in Perfidious Albion?

Sure… when I toured The Tower of London and Windsor Castle.

Walking along the streets of London however I saw a ton of “Pride” flags (there was a parade overlapping the week I was there)… and a bunch of Palestinian flags. There were many corners occupied by Muslim ‘preachers’ blasting their music and “Prayers” at volumes that should’ve been considered “disturbing the peace” IMHO. I saw very few UK flags other than those at official gov’t buildings and tourist places, and in souvenir shops.

(I admit having to google your slang.)

I'm from Liverpool. Scousers boo the national anthem at sporting events.

[kennyp72]

I saw very few UK flags other than those at official gov’t buildings and tourist places, and in souvenir shops.

Nationalism has had a fairly bad rep in Western Europe ever since that German guy with the funny moustache. You won't find many flags being flown outside of a sporting context.

It needs to come back… at least on some level… otherwise your country will be overrun and you’ll become little New Palestine within the next 20 years of sooner.

She was deported because her Visa was revoked.

And her visa was revoked in response to her exercising her First Amendment right to protest. Are you comfortable with the US Government punishing people for engaging in peaceful protest?

I am comfortable with the US gov’t revoking student Visas of foreign nationals when they engage in verbally violent hateful speech in support of known terrorist organizations. Yes.

When they start threatening to arrest citizens who post some off color stuff on Facebook… then I’ll be worried. When they tell citizens we can’t have counter protests in opposition to racist Nazi’s or Terrorist Hamas supports… then I’ll be worried. These are things that your gov’ts currently calls illegal.

You seem confused.

The UK is 82% white. 75% white British. The other 7% will be eastern european. 9% Asian. 4% Black.

little New Palestine indeed.

At a Palestinian solidarity rally in London at the weekend there was a counter zionist protest rally where zionists were making death threats and other threats of violence under protection of the Met Police.

[jimboston]

You seem confused.

The UK is 82% white. 75% white British. The other 7% will be eastern european. 9% Asian. 4% Black.

little New Palestine indeed.

What are the stats for London proper?
I’m sure in the city they start to move in the direction suggested.

Add 20 years with breeding and immigration rates… then see what I’m talking about.
I didn’t say it would happen tomorrow… but you are already ceding your country.
Keep sitting on your hands and letting it happen.

[bigtoughralf]

jim thinks the 'breeding rates' of non-white people are an existential threat to the UK. Says it all really.

Europe just needs to kick the US out of Europe before it goes full Fourth Reich. Then at least when the pogroms start they'll be safely barricaded on the other side of the Atlantic.

[kennyp72]

You seem confused.

The UK is 82% white. 75% white British. The other 7% will be eastern european. 9% Asian. 4% Black.

little New Palestine indeed.

What are the stats for London proper?
I’m sure in the city they start to move in the direction suggested.

Add 20 years with breeding and immigration rates… then see what I’m talking about.
I didn’t say it would happen tomorrow… but you are already ceding your country.
Keep sitting on your hands and letting it happen.

White 54%. 37% white british. 17% eastern european. 21% Asian. 14% Black. Mixed/Other make up the rest.

You are aware Britain once had an empire and still has a commonwealth, right?