Line of Duty Mafia game - DAY 1 Game on

[hjelp]

.. Hjelp said a similar thing in what felt more just provocative than like attempting to establish a narrative...

It depends on the answer if it was provcative or to establish a narrative. If I was "out of bounds" regarding "Annie get your gun" then I apologise.

[hjelp]

The narrative was if you are a member of the polisforce, thouh police in England doesn't wear gun, unless task force if I recall

[kongming3]

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In other detective work, Who is MagnusGreeol in this as I dont see them listed. ?!?
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Son!c accidentally posted on wrong account while babysitting.

Also, @hjelp, not following your callout on DJF and Ragian as scum. I assume it came out of Ragian somewhat defending DJF in the sense that he said suspicions on DJF thus far are pretty bullshit - which is true? I'd also think you'd have voted DJF by this point if you legitimately thought he was suspicious enough for anyone defending him to be dragged in as likely scum as well. Could be misreading this though, not sure if it was meant to be taken seriously...

[kongming3]

Messed up the quotations.

Want to also say that I do think silent players at this stage are inherently somewhat scummy past a neutral point, but I have no desire to vote any of them day 1, at least not without something from their end. I think there's a lot less information we get from just all "deciding" to take the easy lynch option, and I think it goes against the point of lynching day 1.

[annieh]

It's Annie Oakley * pew pew* and I haven't had my coffee yet

Based on today i have Kongming and Djfireside as strong suspects. Also you can't vote and unvote

"Strong suspects" on two that have seemed a little extra helpful to me is my issue there. I cast my suspicions towards son!c because my suspicions are weak and flimsy this early, not strong.


I take it no real vote/night stage before we get a word on who is not coming?

Love this! Strong town vibes

Sorry! This is me (sitting a turn for Mags under 30 minutes in game 24396766) and somehow i messed up the logout (probably just forgot it) lmao

Magnus is son!c

[annieh]

@ Sonic - did you just told us your PR is Doctor (Healer/Medic)?

This was the similar comment. I don't have a big issue with this comment it's just clearly not what sonic had said.

Sonic did say some stuff about a dirty harry role that is just sliding by unquestioned.

And I tried to check if nobody answered about Magnus but idk I missed it I guess.

[SoN!c]

You can't call it "detectivework" if you missed out who Magnus is.

But i love the shading part.. Only scums do that as it's the only option they have to influence town. The key always is to do that "just enough" (just enough to plant a little seed of doubt but not enough to raise sus on you).

And it's just the start but already i have Annieh as a strong town vibe. She seems genuinely, with strong analytical skills trying to solve this for town.

Kong ofcourse has the same analytical skills.

So: in short the two "shitballs" i trew by saying i have strong suspects did their work on DJF but not at all on Kong. But i'll take a 50% succesrate here anyday.

Then we have Ragian somewhat defending DJF - just enough like Rags would do as a fellow scummy (but only at the start of D1 when Rags always feels somewhat overconfident).

Hmmmm

[Ragian]

What has happened to this site? Whenever I hit the "take me to the last unread post" or whatever that button is called, I get to the end and have to scroll back to find out where I left off. It's annoying. It might, however, just be something that I'm doing wrong. Anyone?

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First off, there are things going on with some accusations flying about, which is good. This will move the game forward and have people settle in places in which we can see who seems connected. More importantly, however, the people who steer clear of any action must be scrutinised. Any scum will stay out of trouble for as long as possible. I'm in particular looking at people busy only giving advice or only stating who has or hasn't confirmed yet. These people look busy by posting, but they add nada lambada to our hunt for scum.

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It's nice to see that Son!c is defensive already in his usual manipulative way. Credit someone - preferably someone new to Son!c - with their moldable comments to get them on your side. I think I've hit a nerve. (Hopefully, it's the usual nerve, so we can have a fun game like last )

@Annieh, look at this quote:

@ Sonic - did you just told us your PR is Doctor (Healer/Medic)?

Look at my avy. Do you really think Loose is gonna give me a bad cop role? You know how much Loose likes me

Im no doc but im second close to it. The dirty harry that keeps everybody safe at night except scum

Son!c is soft-claiming (meaning that he breadcrumbs his role), which is really bad play for town because it takes getting what information we want out of town's hands and into an individual's hands. He keeps town hostage if you will. My vote is for him to reveal his entire role now that he has already - in my opinion - played poorly and hinted at his role (which will have scum thinking about offing him - or it's a ruse to get town to think that's he's an important role when he's actually scum).

[SoN!c]

Perhaps i played poorly Rags but how would you know that? Hmmmm? Are you thinking of offing me tonight already as a prime target? And so you are fishing for more info to decide your call.. Double hmmmmm.

And Annieh can think for think for oneself. No need to do the thinking for her.

[Ragian]

It's quite clear what my intention is, mate. I'm voting you. I want you to claim fully now that you've already soft-claimed. You can carry on with your out-of-the-blue insinuations or you can get down to business.

Also, you're always the first one to sort me out when I have issues with the site and stuff, but now you're refraining. What gives?

Lastly, don't gimme that "this or that person can think for themselves" crap. You know damn well that you're attempting to sugarcoat Annieh with the stuff below.

Good morning!

My current suspicions:
--sonic less sus- he's got strong feelings about suspects, strong feelings about me. I can accept that the dude just feels strongly.

--Ragian more sus because I don't think son!c giving one example of a power role after being asked is at all the same as admitting to anything. Now we got ragian saying "newbie caught you out" when that's not what happened. I consider that a potentially misleading mischaracterization. Hjelp said a similar thing in what felt more just provocative than like attempting to establish a narrative.

--Kingm more sus because I don't like that one time he said "let's all vote for riskmaster." "Let's all" should come after even a little consensus building efforts. And that other time when he said "lol super sus" to sonic not immediately throwing out an accusation when I came at him. Could not saying "nuh uh, you are sus!!" be a mafia ploy to charm a chatty player? Maybe, but there's only so many moves there and I think sonic chose one of the less sus options

--And of course our silent players. Forever sus.

So well said! A sharp mind at work here. Looking forward to more of these

[Ragian]

Perhaps i played poorly Rags but how would you know that? Hmmmm? Are you thinking of offing me tonight already as a prime target? And so you are fishing for more info to decide your call.. Double hmmmmm.

And Annieh can think for think for oneself. No need to do the thinking for her.

Just addressing this. How I would know that you played poorly? I'm reading the game seeing you softclaim with zero pressure. And while I know that it's slowly becoming trendy on this site to do that, I'll reiterate that it's not in town's interest. Keep scum guessing for as long as possible.

[hjelp]

@ Sonic - did you just told us your PR is Doctor (Healer/Medic)?

This was the similar comment. I don't have a big issue with this comment it's just clearly not what sonic had said.

Sonic did say some stuff about a dirty harry role that is just sliding by unquestioned.

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Yes, SoN!c was helpful regarding what PR is (thank you SoN!c), providing an example - and it might been slipped the PR SoN!c actually has (though unlikely). But I had to ask.

If to follow the SoN!c trail "... but im second close to it. The dirty harry that keeps everybody safe at night except scum then of course ..." - then I followed up by asking (forgot the question mark-so I put it here )-
so I ask
@ Sonic - so you're out in the streets during the nights then ?? ...
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@kongming3
yes "... it came out of Ragian somewhat defending DJF in the sense that he said suspicions on DJF thus far are pretty bullshit ..." - It was a short compilation of the DJF-Ragian discussion that occured. At the moment, the conversation rearding DJF-Ragian is nothing reliable to built upon (more than that Ragian sort to speak defended DJF) and it would be a "long shot" nailed by a sharp shooter Annie in "Annie get your gun" (but not annieh) to think that DJF and Ragian are scum only because of what was previous discussed in the thread.

[hjelp]

With that said - it's D1 - and scum don't know who their companions are until N1, right ? so one "can't" defend anyone during D1.

[hjelp]

As I see it - the objective D1 is to find out which one are Scum or Town. Unless someone says I'm scum that will be difficult. Regarding vote, an inactive player that is quiet and hasn't made one post - I can consider to cast a vote on that player.

[hjelp]

I don't want to risk to vote on a Townie that is active

[SoN!c]

With that said - it's D1 - and scum don't know who their companions are until N1, right ? so one "can't" defend anyone during D1.

I get you based on the 2 games you played where we had that but the normal game would be that they know from the start..

And Ragian is already all over the place pushing his narratives. Im sure Strike notices it too.

Ragian does three classic Day 1 things:

1) He pushes the idea that people who “look busy but add nothing” should be scrutinized.
It’s a safe stance that almost everyone agrees with, so it builds town credibility.. But he does not push them. He pushes me...

2) Focusses on SoN!c
Raggy moves quickly to:

Call out the tiny soft-claim
Frame it as anti-town
& Pushes for a full claim + vote

Why would that help town?

This is the strongest alignment-relevant action all game long. Because Policy pressure this early is slightly more scum-leaning in most metas.

3) Does his Social Framing / Influence thingie again flipping things

Calls me “manipulative” when he is ("look at SoN!c - don't look at me!")
Accuses me of “sugarcoating Annieh” when he is
Reframes my compliments as scum pocketing...

= Rags the experienced mafia player that is taking control of thread flow

[hjelp]

@ SoN!c

Yes, it's based on the two games I've played that Scum didn't know other Scum from start. I didn't know about the normal game D1. So, if this is a normal game then Scum know from the start D1. That changes everything. There might be a tiny bit of Scum-dust in the sense of Ragian sort of defended DJF.

[annieh]

I said sonic might be on a charm offensive way back after he didn't throw my accusation at him back at me. Rags out here acting like I didn't notice it out loud, harrumph. I don't think it's news and I don't want to steward in a game where friendliness or support is seen as automatically shifty.

Having trouble with rags' logic where a soft claim needs to be louder or you get voted on. Personally, I like the noisiness of it on both ends. Charle seems experienced and I would appreciate their input.

I do not know the plot of Annie Get Your Gun but I'm glad hjelp does. They seem nice. Kong seems nice.

Kingm defended my having an issue with him saying let's start with riskmaster by saying he didn't. I posted the quote and he had nothing more to say? I know a loose "let's" is small potato crimes but not saying "no, that was not an attempt at ringleading" is the opposite of how to "sugarcoat Annie."

The rivalries involving DJF go back to when I don't know what's joke vote and I've lost track of who stands where there.

Someone please tell me what, if anything, we have here is solid enough to build off of if we vote someone tonight.

[homer_jay]

What has happened to this site? Whenever I hit the "take me to the last unread post" or whatever that button is called, I get to the end and have to scroll back to find out where I left off. It's annoying. It might, however, just be something that I'm doing wrong. Anyone?

i have the same issue suddenly and it's annoying!

@ Sonic - did you just told us your PR is Doctor (Healer/Medic)?

i found this to be disingenuous. seemed to me sonic was clearly giving an example to explain PR to annie. maybe sonic slipped a little bit with his remark about being second close to it, but pushing him on it doesn't seem to help us in any way either.

and annie is a female on the internet. she's probably used to a lot more buttering up than anything we've seen here lol

[hjelp]

@homer_jay

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@ Sonic - did you just told us your PR is Doctor (Healer/Medic)?

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You can read what I posted after that.

[hjelp]

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I do not know the plot of Annie Get Your Gun but I'm glad hjelp does.
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Someone please tell me what, if anything, we have here is solid enough to build off of if we vote someone tonight.

I don't think it's solid enough to vote any active player.

[hjelp]

hm.. the link doesn't seem to work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J12HZSu ... qT8Rv7JmRn

[annieh]

hm.. the link doesn't seem to work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J12HZSu ... qT8Rv7JmRn

I didn't know it was Bernadette Peters. Curly hair icon!

[Ragian]

Sheesh... all of the sudden, I miss Strike.

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I've never felt better about my Son!c vote. He's already squirming. He's not dealing with any of the stuff I'm accussing him of. Instead, he's trying to turn the tables. Luckily, everyone having played with Son!c will know that he did that last time when scum. Hopefully, people with that experience have learned something.

Ragian does three classic Day 1 things:

1) He pushes the idea that people who “look busy but add nothing” should be scrutinized.
It’s a safe stance that almost everyone agrees with, so it builds town credibility.. But he does not push them. He pushes me...

I can only push one player at a time, mate. You're by far the better claim candidate than the others. Saying they should be scrutinised is NOT the same as saying they should be voted for. You're edliberately - as per usual - misrepresenting what I'm on about. If I were trying to build "town cred", I'd not get into this fight.

2) Focusses on SoN!c
Raggy moves quickly to:

Call out the tiny soft-claim
Frame it as anti-town
& Pushes for a full claim + vote

Why would that help town?

This is the strongest alignment-relevant action all game long. Because Policy pressure this early is slightly more scum-leaning in most metas.

Yes, and you should've not soft-claimed. We've talked about this a MILLION times and you're still doing it despite it being poor town play. So yeah, I'm pushing you when you're playing poorly. Would you not say that playing against what is good for town is anti-town, then?

The last bit is taken out of thin air. You have absolutely zero evidence compiled with scum having done so contrasted when town has done so. Gimme a break.

3) Does his Social Framing / Influence thingie again flipping things

Calls me “manipulative” when he is ("look at SoN!c - don't look at me!")
Accuses me of “sugarcoating Annieh” when he is
Reframes my compliments as scum pocketing...

= Rags the experienced mafia player that is taking control of thread flow

This was my favourite part. I stated the above exactly as I saw it. Obviously, I'm not sugarcoating Annie. I'm trying to get them to see what you're doing. You're not so delusional that you think that I complimented Annie, are you? That was you. You even wrote so. And yeah, it looked like scum pocketing.

Look, the good thing about this is that you've messed up and you should be held accountable. I'm doing that with my vote. You've gotten overly defensive. Now, it's up to the rest of the players to see if they agree or if they just "want to go for an inactive player", which will teach us absolutely zero.

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re: inactives
Inactivity is not alignment indicative. It's a blind lynch. We learn nothing.

[SoN!c]

Sheesh... all of the sudden, I miss Strike.

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I've never felt better about my Son!c vote. He's already squirming. He's not dealing with any of the stuff I'm accussing him of. Instead, he's trying to turn the tables. Luckily, everyone having played with Son!c will know that he did that last time when scum. Hopefully, people with that experience have learned something.

Ragian does three classic Day 1 things:

1) He pushes the idea that people who “look busy but add nothing” should be scrutinized.
It’s a safe stance that almost everyone agrees with, so it builds town credibility.. But he does not push them. He pushes me...

I can only push one player at a time, mate. You're by far the better claim candidate than the others. Saying they should be scrutinised is NOT the same as saying they should be voted for. You're edliberately - as per usual - misrepresenting what I'm on about. If I were trying to build "town cred", I'd not get into this fight.

2) Focusses on SoN!c
Raggy moves quickly to:

Call out the tiny soft-claim
Frame it as anti-town
& Pushes for a full claim + vote

Why would that help town?

This is the strongest alignment-relevant action all game long. Because Policy pressure this early is slightly more scum-leaning in most metas.

Yes, and you should've not soft-claimed. We've talked about this a MILLION times and you're still doing it despite it being poor town play. So yeah, I'm pushing you when you're playing poorly. Would you not say that playing against what is good for town is anti-town, then?

The last bit is taken out of thin air. You have absolutely zero evidence compiled with scum having done so contrasted when town has done so. Gimme a break.

3) Does his Social Framing / Influence thingie again flipping things

Calls me “manipulative” when he is ("look at SoN!c - don't look at me!")
Accuses me of “sugarcoating Annieh” when he is
Reframes my compliments as scum pocketing...

= Rags the experienced mafia player that is taking control of thread flow

This was my favourite part. I stated the above exactly as I saw it. Obviously, I'm not sugarcoating Annie. I'm trying to get them to see what you're doing. You're not so delusional that you think that I complimented Annie, are you? That was you. You even wrote so. And yeah, it looked like scum pocketing.

Look, the good thing about this is that you've messed up and you should be held accountable. I'm doing that with my vote. You've gotten overly defensive. Now, it's up to the rest of the players to see if they agree or if they just "want to go for an inactive player", which will teach us absolutely zero.

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re: inactives
Inactivity is not alignment indicative. It's a blind lynch. We learn nothing.

35 lines! Thirty-five

And the short version of those 35 lines is just more of the same bs "look at SoN!c - don't look at me!"