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[SoN!c]

Dude, you are NOT on the chopping board. Stop saying what you are and aren't. It's the way you kept to the middle of the road or on the fence regarding Son!c's and my...ahm...interaction (for want of a better word). I even wrote it earlier. I wasn't even saying it now, but I mentioned it because Son!c kept banging on about how I was only concerned about him. You seem overly defensive, and you're not doing town any favours by saying whether or not you're a PR.

Let's say that scum has eight people to chose from for their nightkill. If one of them claims vanilla and another one claims not to be a PR, how much easier has it just been, then, for scum to hit an actual PR?

ONLY CLAIM WHEN L-2, PLEASE!

This sounds adressed to Charle only. Not to Kingm... while both claimed vanilla just right now

[SoN!c]

It just so sounds like one scum is frustrated by the other scum's play..

"Dude, you are NOT on the chopping board. Stop saying what you are and aren't."

[Devante]

I'm not seeing anything so far worth a vote so shall let this carry on. Would like to see some more from the quiet ones though, Traf in particular

[hjelp]

Interesting - is there an alignment that Ragian and SoN!c lines up in duty or lines up of duty ?
@ Ragian and Son!c - are you aligned ? in duty or of duty ?

[Ragian]

No, it's "dude" when I'm addressing one. You will see from two last lines that I'm after both of them

[TrafalgarLaw01]

So what's to do next?

A) Ragian has tunneled one player extremely hard (me) while completely ignoring five lurkers → that contradiction is alignment-indicative. Ragian has by far the clearest scum-tells: extreme D1 tunnel + ignoring lurkers while claiming he wants general discussion, matching scum meta in his Vincent Vega Vengeful win + early buddying up with Djfireside.

So Vote Ragian. Let's see the flip.. But Ragian is producing a lot of the content here. Ragian out is half the fun out.. And it is probably Town-on-Town. Don't wanna risk losing a Town Ragian on a D1 blinder. It's better to check Ragian out at night first.. But i still want him to answer my questions.

B) Riskmaster101 is a Pure lurk (0 posts) and was targeted by Kingm (That could have been a self-pressure fakeout)?

C) Strike wolf's scum read on Homer Jay (safe blending) is valid (low-volume veteran style with safe, middle-road posts) but untested..

D) There is subtle D1 buddying (e.g., early defends), shared evasion (e.g., ignoring lurkers together), or opportunistic wagons between the trio Ragian + Charle + Djfireside.. Especially Charle following his scum overlord Ragian while acting unconnected. That's safe scum play: Rag leads distraction while Charle rides wagons..

E) A silent Traf is a scummy Traf.

Vote Trafalgar01

Well I really don't think much can be achieved D1
Except for misslynching a townie or revealign unnecesary info to scum.
So no much to comment on D1

[Kingm]

So what's to do next?

A) Ragian has tunneled one player extremely hard (me) while completely ignoring five lurkers → that contradiction is alignment-indicative. Ragian has by far the clearest scum-tells: extreme D1 tunnel + ignoring lurkers while claiming he wants general discussion, matching scum meta in his Vincent Vega Vengeful win + early buddying up with Djfireside.

So Vote Ragian. Let's see the flip.. But Ragian is producing a lot of the content here. Ragian out is half the fun out.. And it is probably Town-on-Town. Don't wanna risk losing a Town Ragian on a D1 blinder. It's better to check Ragian out at night first.. But i still want him to answer my questions.

B) Riskmaster101 is a Pure lurk (0 posts) and was targeted by Kingm (That could have been a self-pressure fakeout)?

C) Strike wolf's scum read on Homer Jay (safe blending) is valid (low-volume veteran style with safe, middle-road posts) but untested..

D) There is subtle D1 buddying (e.g., early defends), shared evasion (e.g., ignoring lurkers together), or opportunistic wagons between the trio Ragian + Charle + Djfireside.. Especially Charle following his scum overlord Ragian while acting unconnected. That's safe scum play: Rag leads distraction while Charle rides wagons..

E) A silent Traf is a scummy Traf.

Vote Trafalgar01

Well I really don't think much can be achieved D1
Except for misslynching a townie or revealign unnecesary info to scum.
So no much to comment on D1

Ok, good enough for me I guess, UNVOTE

Let put the vote back on Riskmaster101, since if the old count is right, my vote now should still have him on 2 votes.

And lets make it clear, I DO NOT want us to just quick lynch him, I want to get him to L2, to force a role out of him, lets see if we are able to get some action on D1, or if its as useless as Traf says it is.

[Ragian]

I really don't like Traf's answer. Loads of things can be achieved D1 as mentioned ad nauseam. And yes, it's very likely that we lynch a townie D1, but it's sometimes a necessary evil in order to give intel for the long run. That said, I think KingM's answer is worse. In my humble opinion, KingM should've not satisfied himself with Traf's answer, but what is worse is his wanting to vote for riskmaster again at this stage. The timing is bad. We're running out of time and voting for a non-participant is a blind lynch, which teaches us nothing because it's also a free lynch, so in the long run it's more or less impossible to see who was on the lynch for which reasons. The final bit about that post is that he urges votes on riskmaster without committing himself. On top of that, KingM claimed without being on the chopping board. A weak claim to boot.

I have no issues with lynching KingM for the reasons stated above. Moreover, I think the amount of claims, softclaims, revelations, reveals, and strippings we've had D1 is enough. More is too much info to hand scum D1. I think we should lynch within the claimants (and my vote is where my mouth is), but people may want to no lynch - I just disagree with those tactics.

[homer_jay]

So what's to do next?

A) Ragian has tunneled one player extremely hard (me) while completely ignoring five lurkers → that contradiction is alignment-indicative. Ragian has by far the clearest scum-tells: extreme D1 tunnel + ignoring lurkers while claiming he wants general discussion, matching scum meta in his Vincent Vega Vengeful win + early buddying up with Djfireside.

So Vote Ragian. Let's see the flip.. But Ragian is producing a lot of the content here. Ragian out is half the fun out.. And it is probably Town-on-Town. Don't wanna risk losing a Town Ragian on a D1 blinder. It's better to check Ragian out at night first.. But i still want him to answer my questions.

B) Riskmaster101 is a Pure lurk (0 posts) and was targeted by Kingm (That could have been a self-pressure fakeout)?

C) Strike wolf's scum read on Homer Jay (safe blending) is valid (low-volume veteran style with safe, middle-road posts) but untested..

D) There is subtle D1 buddying (e.g., early defends), shared evasion (e.g., ignoring lurkers together), or opportunistic wagons between the trio Ragian + Charle + Djfireside.. Especially Charle following his scum overlord Ragian while acting unconnected. That's safe scum play: Rag leads distraction while Charle rides wagons..

E) A silent Traf is a scummy Traf.

Vote Trafalgar01

Well I really don't think much can be achieved D1
Except for misslynching a townie or revealign unnecesary info to scum.
So no much to comment on D1

all that talk of getting a response from Traf and getting him to say something... and this is what we get? this seems even more scummy than just being silent. i'm not a proponent of a D1 lynch, but things can still be learned.

my thoughts on some of the goings-on..

- the sonic v rag battle is really looking like townie on townie crime to me. sonic threw out a needless soft claim and i think rag is fully justified in calling out poor game play. (and i need to say.. "i always make this mistake" isn't a defense!). but i don't think that mistake necessarily means sonic is scum. BUT then sonic feels targetted and fights back. which also seems justified.. even if he seems to be doing a poor job of it. (no offense. please don't accuse me of personal attacks like you've complained about rag doing lol)

- the most suspicious part of all of this though is hjelp. he started the whole thing with his go-go-gadget-arms reeeeaaacchhiing for something when sonic was just giving annie an example of what a PR is.

@ Sonic - did you just told us your PR is Doctor (Healer/Medic)?

there was absolutely nothing in sonic's post that implied this, but it led to that soft claim which led us down the path we now find ourselves on.

i went back and re-read some of the posts from page 4 and 5 now.. from the time around that happening, and he has explained it though and it seems to make sense. but i'm not going to remove my comment because i'm happy with that inspector gadget reference

- when we've had all this arguing going on stemming from that soft claim, i have no idea why charle and kingm are so quick to make claims. but of course, they're both claiming vanilla. the easiest claim to make and the hardest to debunk since it can't conflict with someone else's role.

these are the three i'm suspicious of then: traf, kingm, charle. and since my main concern about lynching D1 is accidentally killing off a power player, two of these suspects have already stated that we wouldn't lose much by going after them..

[SoN!c]

I agree with Ragian, don't like Traf's answer at all.

@TrafalgarLaw01 —
If you’re town, you still have time to prove it before the day ends. If you’re scum, the silent play is already working perfectly — but it’s also the easiest flip for us tomorrow.

It's your classic scum “let town fight, I’ll clean up D2” play.

And Deadline day is coming fast — time to stop hiding (Traf, the lurkers), dancing (you know who) and start hanging.

Quick state of play:
- Ragian tunnel is still eating 35–40 % of the thread while too many players (including Riskmaster, Cofari, Traf, Cod) have contributed basically zero content. BUT: The real scum tell is who is benefiting from this distraction...because if Rag is scum he is not alone and if he is town scum is still benefiting. We can be sure of that.

- Speaking of which two unpressured vanilla claims now in quick succession, right as heat towards deadline builds.. Convenient timing if scum..

And Kingm's unvote "good enough for me I guess"?? There was nothing good about that answer.. this should warrant a lynch on it's own.

I think we should lynch for real today. LC already threatened inactive PR suspension. And we have enough content to work with.

Lynch candidates are:

Traf: a meta match of a scum Traf. EW always says it: a silent Traf is a scummy Traf!
Let's at least force the silent veteran to actually "play or die" and pile up town votes.
or
Kingm: If Kingm is again scum it would be a statistical record? It's also's Ragian's target (my n°1 scum suspect) while Ragian had other options like Traf..


LC already threatened inactive PR suspension. And we have enough content to work with on the active players. If however we think that inactive town players are going to be a threat later on (holding us hostage on vote count because they are awol all the time) then we could go for Riskmaster101 (easy lurker lynch) and see the flip.

because: Zero info lost if he’s town; huge info gain if scum. And it would give a clue why Kingm keeps pivoting back to him?

[Kingm]

fu*k I forgot what I said like 2min ago, I did not want to lynch a none participant, since like Ragian pointed out, its a free lynch later.

And yeah maybe Trafs answer was weak, but he is saying exactly what I am thinking, I have never been a fan of D1, and would have liked it if id did not last 3-4 weeks

Unvote again.
Vote no lynch

[Ragian]

@Son!c, I've lynched Traf for his lack of contentful participation in the past, and I can't remember him being scum any of those times. You've been in more or less the same games. Can you?

Also, while we're at it, didn't you just dog me for not mentioning KingM (even when I did indirectly) when I was addressing Charle? Now, again, I'm on KingM, and you are dissatisfied with that, too. What's a guy have to do around here?

[Ragian]

For what it's worth, I think that homer and Annie are town. If anyone jots stuff like that down. Now you know. Use it later.

[Kingm]

@Son!c, I've lynched Traf for his lack of contentful participation in the past, and I can't remember him being scum any of those times. You've been in more or less the same games. Can you?

Also, while we're at it, didn't you just dog me for not mentioning KingM (even when I did indirectly) when I was addressing Charle? Now, again, I'm on KingM, and you are dissatisfied with that, too. What's a guy have to do around here?

Not sure how I am supposed to convince you that I'm town, yeah my play D1 has been like all over the place, thats true, but I'm only out to "nakke" scums, and to everyone else, if I understand it right, nakke on danish = taking/killing something.

Almost want to say I feel you are scum since you are so sure that I'm talking BS here, but nah I feel both you and Annie is town like me.

So maybe it the fu*king hedgehog I should be looking a bit closer on, hmm.

[SoN!c]

Feels like Ragian feels criticized (by me) and he is trying to call out inconsistencies in some of my arguments.

That is because he is mixing my arguments with my questions..

But what is important here is the honest emotion in that because he does not know he is mixing my questions with my arguments. It's Hard to fake an honest feeling..

Then Ragian says this:

“For what it's worth, I think that homer and Annie are town. If anyone jots stuff like that down. Now you know. Use it later.”

Ragian is essentially telling everyone: “If I die tonight, start your thinking from these assumptions.” That is either very bold and super intelligent scum play to do this right now, or it is just simple genuinely town play (solving the game wanting a record of their reasoning).

To post both of those things (honest emotion AND town-motivated behavior) right now....i can't see a scum thinking of that, not even Ragian. Sorry Rags but that means you got Good boy points!

And if Ragian is town then we have Kingm, his vote target..

Let's analyse Kingm’s chaotic vote switching;

He goes like this:

let's all vote Riskmaster
(unvotes)
votes Riskmaster again
(unvote again)
votes no-lynch

That kind of movement can serve to test the town waters (scum motivated).
It avoids committing to a real lynch and helps destabilize momentum.

Then he says:

“fu*k I forgot what I said like 2min ago” (does he believe that himself??? LMAO)

That kind of chaotic vote movement is just too fishy if you have nothing to hide; it's just stress manifesting.

And then Kingm says:

“maybe Trafs answer was weak, but he is saying exactly what I am thinking”

For me that is agreement + justification. A very strong signal that there is alignment of mindset between those two.

and i think Traf is scum..

also i felt a "pre-emptive vote framing" when he mentioned me. Like he is scared/already feeling im switching my vote to him because of his scummy play.

Lastly he said this:

“Almost want to say I feel you are scum… but nah I feel both you and Annie is town like me.”

This is a rapid suspicion withdrawal, with the desire to convince others of something that is just not the truth or to just generate doubts. A typical scum move. Innocent people usually commit longer to their beliefs.

Sounvote


Vote Kingm

[SoN!c]

@Loose – three days left? Clock is ticking louder than Ted Hastings saying “mother of god”.

VC when you can, please.


PS @Kingm — you said “almost want to say I feel you are scum… but nah”.
That’s not a read. That’s a hedge ! (and not a fu*king hedgehog