disable moderators from hiding online status

[riskllama]

seeing as how most, if not all of them have signed on to team CC to help, being able to hide their online status is not conducive to helping. hell, I even know one who disabled his pm's for a while - wtf??? anyways, I am of the opinion that if you're a mod, you should make yourself available to us plebs whenever you are online & not just when you "feel like it". if you can't accept the responsibility, then perhaps you shouldn't be one...*shrugs*

[insaneJB]

I said that something else was the best suggestion I've seen about a week ago.
I lied.

This one takes the cake.

I mean it's like showing up to work but ignoring your whole job.


Not sure which moderator you are calling out for disabling their pms, but they deserved it.


Yeah, I'm gonna go to work and just ignore my boss and the client all day.
Gonna see how that works out when I put tile in the floor that they might not like but I won't know because I'm not gonna talk to them or give them the option to tell me otherwise.....

Yeah, I wouldn't have a client anymore. Nor would anyone else want to let me work in their home or business.



I wanna see moderator response on this one.
Though, I guess it would need to be an admin to set the standards for the moderator teams.

[Kingm]

I for one would quit being a mod if I had to show I was online, disabling PM's is something else.

But I am a players first then a clanleader then a mod, and IMHO its a big disadvantage in showing the online status, at least if your opponent know how to use that info against you.

Thats my 2cents on that topic

[Evil Semp]

seeing as how most, if not all of them have signed on to team CC to help, being able to hide their online status is not conducive to helping. hell, I even know one who disabled his pm's for a while - wtf??? anyways, I am of the opinion that if you're a mod, you should make yourself available to us plebs whenever you are online & not just when you "feel like it". if you can't accept the responsibility, then perhaps you shouldn't be one...*shrugs*

I disagree with you llama. I don't hide my online status or use the foe list but I do think there are reasons for mods to do that. I for one did receive some harrassment from disgruntled player. For what we receive in free membership we should be able to hide our online status if we choose. Depending on the duties of any particular mod I don't think they need to show their online status. On the reverse side I think that are some mod positions that should not hide their status.

[Caymanmew]

I said that something else was the best suggestion I've seen about a week ago.
I lied.

This one takes the cake.

I mean it's like showing up to work but ignoring your whole job.


Not sure which moderator you are calling out for disabling their pms, but they deserved it.


Yeah, I'm gonna go to work and just ignore my boss and the client all day.
Gonna see how that works out when I put tile in the floor that they might not like but I won't know because I'm not gonna talk to them or give them the option to tell me otherwise.....

Yeah, I wouldn't have a client anymore. Nor would anyone else want to let me work in their home or business.



I wanna see moderator response on this one.
Though, I guess it would need to be an admin to set the standards for the moderator teams.

If someone wants to get a hold of me, they can PM me, and I will reply when I have time. If my "boss" has a problem with my work, she can fire me, not like I am getting paid much of anything to do stuff.

Like seriously, how available would you be for 1 cent an hour in site credits?

You don't want to see this site without volunteers, they do a stupid amount of work for basically free, simply because they love this site. Without us, you'll only have admin, and they won't have the time or energy to run all the stuff the mod teams run.

[insaneJB]

I said that something else was the best suggestion I've seen about a week ago.
I lied.

This one takes the cake.

I mean it's like showing up to work but ignoring your whole job.


Not sure which moderator you are calling out for disabling their pms, but they deserved it.


Yeah, I'm gonna go to work and just ignore my boss and the client all day.
Gonna see how that works out when I put tile in the floor that they might not like but I won't know because I'm not gonna talk to them or give them the option to tell me otherwise.....

Yeah, I wouldn't have a client anymore. Nor would anyone else want to let me work in their home or business.



I wanna see moderator response on this one.
Though, I guess it would need to be an admin to set the standards for the moderator teams.

If someone wants to get a hold of me, they can PM me, and I will reply when I have time. If my "boss" has a problem with my work, she can fire me, not like I am getting paid much of anything to do stuff.

Like seriously, how available would you be for 1 cent an hour in site credits?

You don't want to see this site without volunteers, they do a stupid amount of work for basically free, simply because they love this site. Without us, you'll only have admin, and they won't have the time or energy to run all the stuff the mod teams run.

Typically, when I volunteer for something, I don't expect anything in return.
I mean it is the sense of the word, to volunteer. Just Saiyan.

That's like me going to the local school bus shop like I do frequently and volunteering my time, but expecting payment in return.

And you say it's 1 cent a hour in credits? That's pretty cool.
But wouldn't that be considered a perk of volunteering and not "payment"? That's more so an incentive for you assisting the site to run properly.
Payment would be an actual transfer of funds to you weather it be a transfer of some sort or a check.

I mean if the 1 cent a hour in credits isn't enough for you, lemee know. They do have a gift function on here.




And, just to clarify, I withhold the right to troll anyone I see fit, no matter the standing of said person or who they are.


I was going to say that I understand what Semp is saying, and that since KingM is a friend I'd support them.



But now I just wanna.
Meh.
Now I just want it to be interesting somehow.

[Caymanmew]

I said that something else was the best suggestion I've seen about a week ago.
I lied.

This one takes the cake.

I mean it's like showing up to work but ignoring your whole job.


Not sure which moderator you are calling out for disabling their pms, but they deserved it.


Yeah, I'm gonna go to work and just ignore my boss and the client all day.
Gonna see how that works out when I put tile in the floor that they might not like but I won't know because I'm not gonna talk to them or give them the option to tell me otherwise.....

Yeah, I wouldn't have a client anymore. Nor would anyone else want to let me work in their home or business.



I wanna see moderator response on this one.
Though, I guess it would need to be an admin to set the standards for the moderator teams.

If someone wants to get a hold of me, they can PM me, and I will reply when I have time. If my "boss" has a problem with my work, she can fire me, not like I am getting paid much of anything to do stuff.

Like seriously, how available would you be for 1 cent an hour in site credits?

You don't want to see this site without volunteers, they do a stupid amount of work for basically free, simply because they love this site. Without us, you'll only have admin, and they won't have the time or energy to run all the stuff the mod teams run.

Typically, when I volunteer for something, I don't expect anything in return.
I mean it is the sense of the word, to volunteer. Just Saiyan.

That's like me going to the local school bus shop like I do frequently and volunteering my time, but expecting payment in return.

And you say it's 1 cent a hour in credits? That's pretty cool.
But wouldn't that be considered a perk of volunteering and not "payment"? That's more so an incentive for you assisting the site to run properly.
Payment would be an actual transfer of funds to you weather it be a transfer of some sort or a check.

I mean if the 1 cent a hour in credits isn't enough for you, lemee know. They do have a gift function on here.




And, just to clarify, I withhold the right to troll anyone I see fit, no matter the standing of said person or who they are.


I was going to say that I understand what Semp is saying, and that since KingM is a friend I'd support them.



But now I just wanna.
Meh.
Now I just want it to be interesting somehow.

I mean, I'm volunteering at the pace I wish to do so. I don't answer to clients or whatever. I do what I can do when I can do it. If the admin doesn't like that, they can replace me. I am not so attached to the idea of being a mod that I need to be one. I do it to help out my friends and those who love clans. If someone else wants my "job", go talk to my boss, they are welcome to fire me if someone better is an option to replace me.

[groovysmurf]

Yeah, I'm gonna go to work and just ignore my boss and the client all day.
Gonna see how that works out when I put tile in the floor that they might not like but I won't know because I'm not gonna talk to them or give them the option to tell me otherwise.....

Yeah, I wouldn't have a client anymore. Nor would anyone else want to let me work in their home or business.

So, you're at the client's house putting down the tile and you get 50 messages from OTHER clients while doing so and based on what you're saying, you MUST anwser all of those messages immediately, even if they can wait. Doesn't constantly being interrupted simply make it harder to complete the task at hand, and increase the chance you make mistakes?

If I'm closing out an event or issuing medals or whatever and I stop to answer someone's question that does not need to be answered immediately, it could distract me and make it harder to finish what I am already doing. Plus, sometimes I'm actively working with a member, trying to teach them how to create games for a tournament or anything really. It would be incredibly rude and disrespectful to keep making them wait while I answer other random queries. I can't imagine your "client" would hire you back if you stop tiling their floor multiple times to do other things that are not pertinent.

[insaneJB]

Yeah, I'm gonna go to work and just ignore my boss and the client all day.
Gonna see how that works out when I put tile in the floor that they might not like but I won't know because I'm not gonna talk to them or give them the option to tell me otherwise.....

Yeah, I wouldn't have a client anymore. Nor would anyone else want to let me work in their home or business.

So, you're at the client's house putting down the tile and you get 50 messages from OTHER clients while doing so and based on what you're saying, you MUST anwser all of those messages immediately, even if they can wait. Doesn't constantly being interrupted simply make it harder to complete the task at hand, and increase the chance you make mistakes?

If I'm closing out an event or issuing medals or whatever and I stop to answer someone's question that does not need to be answered immediately, it could distract me and make it harder to finish what I am already doing. Plus, sometimes I'm actively working with a member, trying to teach them how to create games for a tournament or anything really. It would be incredibly rude and disrespectful to keep making them wait while I answer other random queries. I can't imagine your "client" would hire you back if you stop tiling their floor multiple times to do other things that are not pertinent.

See this is all perspective.
It's what you deem important.

But I don't just volunteer at a bus shop weekly, or just work on home remodeling, or actively give my time to 8000+ followers across multiple forms of social media in advocation of positive mental health and support, or pick up and reply every time I get a message, or take care of my 15 year old and newborn sons.

No, I do it all.
And I do it all with all the extra weight added to my shoulders accepted and owned.
Through my lack of sleep, the sheer tiredness of my body, and the pure pain of pushing myself too far every single day.

So, how you handle the extra responsibilities you decided to put on your shoulders is a show of your character and who you are. How you decide to prioritize is up to you.

And trying to find excuses as to why you can't do something that you openly accept responsibility of just shows a lack of self accountability.
And sorry, but as adults, not having self accountability and holding yourself responsible for everything in your life that you must handle is just this new age thing that I can't get behind.



I've got two discord servers that I run just for advocation of positive mental health and support that I have licensed therapist and psychiatrist assist me with.
Ignoring a message from one of them or missing a call could mean someone taking their own life because they feel alone.

And being someone that's wanted to end their own life for 20 years now I decided long ago I'd never let anyone be alone in that dark place if I can help it.

And yes, if I'm on a job and another client calls, I'm going to answer.
Because you can't just satisfy one person, you must satisfy them all in the line of work I'm in.


Now, I don't know how you knew I was putting in a tile shower and floor in a bathroom and a tile floor in a kitchen today, but I'm gonna get ready for it to get done, and ready for all the phone calls and messages I may end up getting.
Because I decided to accept that responsibility and me not owning it would be my shortcomings.
And the only thing I'll fall short on is my turns on CC as it's a game and everything I've listed is more important to me.


I originally commented on here in support of the original poster to troll mods that may decide their responsibility they've accepted isn't as important as it truly is..
And I'm sorry but it seems you've taken the bait.


Like I said before if the payment Wham gives you for volunteering isn't enough just let me know. I've got 11 different forms of which I can send you payment to make it more "worth" your time since volunteering isn't volunteering anymore.

[groovysmurf]

You don't even know me. I've been a mod for 10 years now and I BUST MY ASS for this site. You think CC is the only thing in my life!? It sadly holds a much higher priority in my life than it probably should...and I wish I could quit. I've wanted to for years, but I don't handle my duties with any less aplomb than I ever have. I don't quit because no one else wants my job! I would hand it over in a heartbeat to someone able and willing.

Perhaps I'm taking this harder than I normally would because this week is the anniversary of my mother's suicide. Ever since that day, many years ago, I have suffered with suicidal ideation, among other things. I made the decision to kill myself 10 years ago and I literally credit Conquer Club with helping to save my life. THAT is why I am here volunteering my time and energy to help this site and the people on it. If you honestly work with suicidal people you should know damn well that trolling anonymous people and forums online is pretty much the lowest of the low. You don't know what people are dealing with on a daily basis, you don't know what will push them over the edge! Some people are hanging on by VERY thin threads.

[groovysmurf]

You don't even know me. I've been a mod for 10 years now and I BUST MY ASS for this site. You think CC is the only thing in my life!? It sadly holds a much higher priority in my life than it probably should...and I wish I could quit. I've wanted to for years, but I don't handle my duties with any less aplomb than I ever have. I don't quit because no one else wants my job! I would hand it over in a heartbeat to someone able and willing.

Perhaps I'm taking this harder than I normally would because this week is the anniversary of my mother's suicide. Ever since that day, many years ago, I have suffered with suicidal ideation, among other things. I made the decision to kill myself 10 years ago and I literally credit Conquer Club with helping to save my life. THAT is why I am here volunteering my time and energy to help this site and the people on it. If you honestly work with suicidal people you should know damn well that trolling anonymous people and forums online is pretty much the lowest of the low. You don't know what people are dealing with on a daily basis, you don't know what will push them over the edge! Some people are hanging on by VERY thin threads.

I originally commented on here in support of the original poster to troll mods that may decide their responsibility they've accepted isn't as important as it truly is..
And I'm sorry but it seems you've taken the bait.

[Apatheist]

I don't agree that mods should have to show their online status - wouldn't that just make people more angry if they didn't get an immediate response? I would however hope that they could be a bit more responsive in the Suggestions thread - other than being locked, I don't ever see anything that indicates that a suggestion has been noted, allocated to someone, dismissed or progressed in any way. Cheating and Abuse threads show the initials of the mod dealing with it - it would be helpful and more encouraging to people making suggestions if they knew that it had registered in some way.
I also think volunteering as a mod should come with free play, especially given the abuse they get from some people. There should be some sort of assessment from the boss to ensure that they're doing the job well though.

[insaneJB]

You don't even know me. I've been a mod for 10 years now and I BUST MY ASS for this site. You think CC is the only thing in my life!? It sadly holds a much higher priority in my life than it probably should...and I wish I could quit. I've wanted to for years, but I don't handle my duties with any less aplomb than I ever have. I don't quit because no one else wants my job! I would hand it over in a heartbeat to someone able and willing.

Perhaps I'm taking this harder than I normally would because this week is the anniversary of my mother's suicide. Ever since that day, many years ago, I have suffered with suicidal ideation, among other things. I made the decision to kill myself 10 years ago and I literally credit Conquer Club with helping to save my life. THAT is why I am here volunteering my time and energy to help this site and the people on it. If you honestly work with suicidal people you should know damn well that trolling anonymous people and forums online is pretty much the lowest of the low. You don't know what people are dealing with on a daily basis, you don't know what will push them over the edge! Some people are hanging on by VERY thin threads.

I originally commented on here in support of the original poster to troll mods that may decide their responsibility they've accepted isn't as important as it truly is..
And I'm sorry but it seems you've taken the bait.

You are correct, I don't know you.
And I don't know anything you've been through other than what you say.

But, I do apologize for your loss, that is something that not even time helps, and I know there are no words I could say to make that any easier for you.
I'm glad that CC has helped you through those hard times.

And yes, you are correct. Me trolling anyone anywhere isn't helpful at all, nor is it any type of positive reinforcement...

But I'm not even the one that made the suggestion in the first place, and I was replied to in a manner in which demanded me to reply accordingly. I may have stepped out of line, and I may have went too far. I'm human, and I tend to do that a lot.


And trust me, I understand being stretched too thin and being close to that breaking point. It's the closest thing to endless pain there is that isn't actual physical pain.

But the topic on the matter was moderators hiding their online status.

Yes, there will be issues with people getting upset because a mod doesn't reply quick enough for them.
They can get over it and learn patience.

But players should be able to know which mods are online to be able to decide who to message about what issue.

I understand multi hunters, and some other cases where people throw nothing but hate.

But in the end, how can you properly serve a community that you are hiding from?


I understand your perception of me is most likely distorted due to my sense of replies. And I accept the responsibility of that due to it being because of my own words and actions.

[insaneJB]

Look, I'm not saying all moderators should always have their active status showing.

But there has to be some sort of standard.
There should always be someone for the community to turn to and they should know who is available then.

I understand someone needing a break, or to just back off here and there.

But that should be a part of acceptance on both sides. The moderator teams should communicate with each other adequately enough to know who needs to step back and who can step up.
At the same time, the masses should understand that none of us are superheros. We are all human and need time to ourselves, and everyone needs to catch up in life on their own time every now and then.

All I'm saying is there should be some sort of standard.
There should at least be one to two moderators in every group that isn't hiding their online status and can respond in a semi timely manner.

And for those that don't understand that.....
A semi timely manner means you can at least give them up to a day to reply to you without getting upset, sometimes more in some cases.

I mean I messages KA about not being able to sign into the beta server almost 3 weeks ago and haven't gotten a reply yet and I'm not mad about it.
Life happens to us all.


And groovy, I appreciate all you've done to help keep this site going in the past 10 years, even though I'm just returning to CC now.

[xroads]

Are you really this fucking stupid?

Who the f*ck cares if a volunteer doesnt want to be bothered with your shit.

They are VOLUNTEERS, who volunteer their time for free. It's not like they are getting paid you dumbass.

[insaneJB]

Are you really this fucking stupid?

Who the f*ck cares if a volunteer doesnt want to be bothered with your shit.

They are VOLUNTEERS, who volunteer their time for free. It's not like they are getting paid you dumbass.

My apologies for taking so long to respond to you, but your ignorance wasn't worth prioritizing replying to.

But, please do keep showing us the mindset of a selfish person in their 50s who's never donated their time for anything without some sense of compensation.
Don't even know what a volunteer is. That's kinda sad.


Anywhere in the world you go, if you look at a volunteer position, it's someone that helps within their title as much as possible. Someone who takes their position serious enough to properly handle situations and assist anyone who needs it.

How you are trying to explain it seems to just be some self projecting from some type of resentment towards someone who, I don't know, maybe tried to help you in the past and wasn't completely able to?
Or someone you admired that completely fell short and disappointed you??

Either way it goes, if you believe in a god you should really talk to them or talk to the "religious" cult leader that guides you for some moral assistance asap.

Thanks for your stained input though. Really shows that some people are just stuck in the days that they started to learn the world.

[Apatheist]

Are you really this fucking stupid?

Who the f*ck cares if a volunteer doesnt want to be bothered with your shit.

They are VOLUNTEERS, who volunteer their time for free. It's not like they are getting paid you dumbass.

Disagree with an opinion if you wish, but there's no need to insult the person who has it.

If they choose to keep the costs down by using volunteers instead of paid employees, that's up to them; and, as JB quite rightly says, users do have to bear that in mind and be tolerant; but anyone paying a subscription to play here is entitled to expect a certain level of service. It's just a matter of where one draws the line as to what that level should be.

[insaneJB]

Are you really this fucking stupid?

Who the f*ck cares if a volunteer doesnt want to be bothered with your shit.

They are VOLUNTEERS, who volunteer their time for free. It's not like they are getting paid you dumbass.

Disagree with an opinion if you wish, but there's no need to insult the person who has it.

If they choose to keep the costs down by using volunteers instead of paid employees, that's up to them; and, as JB quite rightly says, users do have to bear that in mind and be tolerant; but anyone paying a subscription to play here is entitled to expect a certain level of service. It's just a matter of where one draws the line as to what that level should be.

Honestly, the subscription promises nothing of the sort of communication from the moderation or administration teams.

Banish the annoying ADS!
Play UNLIMITED simultaneous games
Play thrilling real-time SPEED games
Play massive BATTLE ROYALE games
Take multiple armies into battle in POLYMORPHIC games
Create password-protected PRIVATE games
Send game invitations to RESERVE spots in games
Have a GOLDEN rank icon next to your name

That's all that is promised when it comes to a yearly premium membership.
So there should really be no entitled expectations for any type of extra service just because one pays for the membership.

Honestly, a proper level of service and self accountability in one's position should be expected for all, to a point.
With tolerance of course.

All do have lives out of CC, and not always will there be someone available to handle a situation the way it should be handled.


That doesn't mean there shouldn't be someone available to at least attempt to help or get someone that can help.


That's the whole point of the belief that there should be at least a few mods from each group that deal with certain things have to have their online status on so the community knows they are here to serve them and help however possible..


Look, no matter how anyone tries to phrase it, when you accept the responsibility of a position of such you should be held to certain standards.

If I hire someone and they take the job they better damn well know how to read a tape measure.
I can teach most things. But if someone doesn't know that they would be a waste of the position I'm offering them. I mean cutting boards too short cost money that shouldn't be sacrificed and that comes out of my pocket and destroys my overhead.
And to me that's one of my expected standards for someone to work for me.


There should always be a certain set of standards and requirements. And the expectations of having the ability to know which team members on the moderator and admin team may be available at that time should be part of the basic standard.
Honestly, finding out that the moderators that volunteer get so little for their time is increasingly saddening.
And I'm sure they do a lot to help the community stay running and safe for everyone.
But I'm also sure the expectations for the position are listed before they take the position as well as what they get for their time.
Though it may not exactly be fair the transparency is most likely there to make it right if it's agreed upon.
Just Saiyan. Super Saiyan.

I do appreciate all that the mods and admin team do to keep the site running and available for us all.

Either way, it is what it is.

I know 15 years ago I had certain mods id communicate with for assistance with just about everything.
But they aren't even on the site anymore sadly.
But it run way different back then. And there wasn't as much on the site either.
CC has come a long way.