Star Wars

Jenos Ridan · Post by **Jenos Ridan** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:56 am

MR. Nate wrote:
lduke1990 wrote:I am unable to read the title of the thread, and am so bullheaded that I refuse to listen when people advise me not to threadjack.
What I don't understand is why is ALL stormtrooper armor white? On hoth, it makes sense. In space, it doesn't matter, so whatever. But for crying out loud, fighting in the forest wearing white. They might as well paint targets on their chests.

Same reason our guys in Mogadishu removed their balistics plates and left alot of their gear back at base, overconfidance.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:23 am

... I prefer the armored chickens.

Jenos Ridan · Post by **Jenos Ridan** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:48 am

lduke1990 wrote:ok I have been away for a while, but I would just like to point out that Picard was NOT the pilot of the Enterprise in any of it's incarnations he was the Captain! Miles O'brein was the battle bridge flight controller in TNG.

Still, did you fail to notice that the defenses of the Death Star were made to repel "Large Scale Assaults"? How is a 600-meter piece of sixth-rate abstract art not going to get mauled by thousands of turbolasers, which if you watch the films, were firing at rates of three shots a second? And each shot being thousands of times more powerful than the piddling Photon Torpedos the E-D carries?

On a side note, who allows civilians, children included, onboard ships that very well could be called into battle at a moments notice? Only the same oppressive government that stiffled capitalism, independant press and designed ships that will explode if you so much as sneeze in the engine room.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:07 am

Jenos Ridan wrote: On a side note, who allows civilians, children included, onboard ships that very well could be called into battle at a moments notice? Only the same oppressive government that stiffled capitalism, independant press and designed ships that will explode if you so much as sneeze in the engine room.

... Interesting side note, there, Jenos. I've often wondered the same thing. Remember DS9, the pilot episode, wherein Cisco loses his wife (who is aboard his ship) as they fight the Borg?

... All I can think of is some manner of throwback to the days of the Civil War, when families traveled with the armies - with their husbands and fathers.... Only, you probably wouldn't have seen too many of them standing around Little Round Top in Gettysburg on the 3rd of July, 1863.

... now... gotta throw some Star Wars thing in here lest we be accused of thread-jacking...

... ummmm ..... Personally, I didn't see much racism in the new episodes, though I recall hearing a lot of folks saying otherwise.

....

MR. Nate · Post by **MR. Nate** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:45 am

If you count Jar Jar's accent as Caribbean, that's about as racist as it gets. Who wants the grinning idiot as a member of their ethnic group? If he had a Midwest non-accent, I'd have moved to the Bronx, just to avoid being associated with him.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:57 am

.... Well, the actor said on the subject, "That's just the way I talk".

... That's good enough for me.

... (Hated JarJar, though)

MR. Nate · Post by **MR. Nate** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:14 am

really? Ahmed Best really talks like that? I don't believe it. He may have a Caribbean accent, but if he has that squeaky of a voice, he had to be younger than 12. And even if that is really his voice, did they have to make him a complete idiot?

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:18 am

... well, idiocy has naught to do with racism I think... just bad writing.

MR. Nate · Post by **MR. Nate** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:32 am

my point is, there are two complete idiots in the series. One is a robot, and the other speaks like a Caribbean islander.

Is it coincidence? Maybe, but it could be racism.

But your right, it's more likely to be incompetent writing.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:51 am

Nate, I appreciate your point, but today (these days) just about anything could be construed as racism.

... And you're right about that robot... Lucas was very insensitive to the feelings of metal people everywhere when he scripted C3Po's lines.

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:26 pm

MR. Nate wrote:It depends on the fight though, doesn't it?

I mean, the ewoks were in their home territory, with ambushes prepared. The storm troopers were not quite as prepared for guerrilla warfare as they might have thought. So in most battles, I think a ewok would be worth less the 1/2 a stormtrooper.

Hmmm, this reminds me of the Vietnam War. Could the Battle of Endor be a metaphor for Vietnam?

Jenos Ridan · Post by **Jenos Ridan** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:04 am

Minister Masket wrote:
MR. Nate wrote:It depends on the fight though, doesn't it?

I mean, the ewoks were in their home territory, with ambushes prepared. The storm troopers were not quite as prepared for guerrilla warfare as they might have thought. So in most battles, I think a ewok would be worth less the 1/2 a stormtrooper.
Hmmm, this reminds me of the Vietnam War. Could the Battle of Endor be a metaphor for Vietnam?

One could also say Mogadishu. In fact, I did on the previous page. But when you look at the big picture, Star Wars could be a warning to us all about 'wolves in sheep's clothing' so to speak.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:24 am

Jenos Ridan wrote: One could also say Mogadishu. In fact, I did on the previous page. But when you look at the big picture, Star Wars could be a warning to us all about 'wolves in sheep's clothing' so to speak.

... I think Lucas isn't quite that deep.

... could be wrong though

Jenos Ridan · Post by **Jenos Ridan** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:37 am

Nobunaga wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote: One could also say Mogadishu. In fact, I did on the previous page. But when you look at the big picture, Star Wars could be a warning to us all about 'wolves in sheep's clothing' so to speak.
... I think Lucas isn't quite that deep.

... could be wrong though

Given how ROTJ was released long before the events of Mog in the early ninities, yeah.

And if the warning isn't there, then so what?

MR. Nate · Post by **MR. Nate** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:07 am

I think this is something like the 1st rule of Warfare (Never get involved in a Land war in Asia). Don't fight someone on their own turf, unless you really know what your doing. If the little guy ever wins (which isn't often in real life) it's because he's smarter and has home field advantage. So, it could be Viet Nam, or it could be Afghanistan, or the British in the colonies, or Mogadishu or the Germans in Russia, or the French at Agincourt. (oh, wait, never mind, that's totally different.)

I don't know if you could say Lucas isn't that deep. Episodes 4-6 did a fairly good job of making Lucas' Buddhism palatable for the general public.

Jenos Ridan · Post by **Jenos Ridan** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:01 am

MR. Nate wrote:I think this is something like the 1st rule of Warfare (Never get involved in a Land war in Asia).

Or be Germany invading Russia (Land War) during the winter. But then, the Soviets had the numerical superiority and other than weather, not a lot else in their favor.

Just remember what Stalin said:

"History shows that there are no invincible armies."
"Sincere diplomacy is no more possible than dry water."

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:11 am

MR. Nate wrote:my point is, there are two complete idiots in the series. One is a robot, and the other speaks like a Caribbean islander.

Is it coincidence? Maybe, but it could be racism.

But your right, it's more likely to be incompetent writing.

A caribbean islander with adenoids and learning difficulties.
I heard a story that C3PO was originally cast with a whiny brooklyn accent. but that lucas dug anthony daniels' british voice in the nick of time. Can you imagine?

Jenos Ridan · Post by **Jenos Ridan** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:49 am

heavycola wrote:
MR. Nate wrote:my point is, there are two complete idiots in the series. One is a robot, and the other speaks like a Caribbean islander.

Is it coincidence? Maybe, but it could be racism.

But your right, it's more likely to be incompetent writing.
A caribbean islander with adenoids and learning difficulties.
I heard a story that C3PO was originally cast with a whiny brooklyn accent. but that lucas dug anthony daniels' british voice in the nick of time. Can you imagine?

Praise (insert name here) that it never came to pass!

A mentally-challedged caribbean islander from a whole race of caribbean islanders. What is that saying, really? To me, nothing more than bad writting. It happens all the time, just look at Trek for the part two decades.

lduke1990 · Post by **lduke1990** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:32 pm

hey, I take offense to the Caribbean cracks, I'm half islander, they don't all talk like Jar Jar Binks

Jenos Ridan · Post by **Jenos Ridan** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:40 am

lduke1990 wrote:hey, I take offense to the Caribbean cracks, I'm half islander, they don't all talk like Jar Jar Binks

Never said you did. The Binks accent is in all reallity a gross exaggeration. Or, at least I hope so for their sake.

lduke1990 · Post by **lduke1990** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:52 pm

There was a petition that went around recently on St. Vincent (small island near the south end) they wanted a "talk like Jar Jar day", there was a riot and most of the people in the pro holiday group died. We take offense to the comparison

Jenos Ridan · Post by **Jenos Ridan** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:54 am

lduke1990 wrote:There was a petition that went around recently on St. Vincent (small island near the south end) they wanted a "talk like Jar Jar day", there was a riot and most of the people in the pro holiday group died. We take offense to the comparison

As well you should. Good riddince to those idiots, but did you really have to kill them all?

lduke1990 · Post by **lduke1990** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:17 am

I wasn't there, but my cousin said that it was more like a get petition signed/suicide thing than kill them all.