Yet Another Terror Plot

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:47 am

... "People are being warned to stay vigilant after a "massive" car bomb, which could have killed hundreds of nightclub revelers, was defused in London's West End".

... They (terrorists) just keep at it.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,, ... 10,00.html

.... seems a bit second rate, though...

jnd94 · Post by **jnd94** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:49 am

wow....its like right before it blew up he jumps in, defuses it, then has sex with the driver, like James Bond?

but seriously, the terrorists never stop, do they?

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:54 am

Not when they're being encouraged.

sam_levi_11 · Post by **sam_levi_11** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:07 pm

at the time i was about 1000 metres away(a guess, its prolly a bit less), just hanging with freinds....i cant beleive it

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:16 pm

.... Something like 1 camera per 14 people in London?

... They got a shot of this guy? (these guys?)

... and would they show it to you if they did? Probably not, for fear of a run on Pakis living in London.

...

Hitman079 · Post by **Hitman079** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:32 pm

the bomb didn't sound like it could kill or seriously injure hundreds or whatever. it was an explosion that was supposed to propel nails in all directions like shrapnel.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:38 pm

Nobunaga wrote: ... and would they show it to you if they did? Probably not, for fear of a run on Pakis living in London.

...

You do realise that the statement you just made was intensely racist... I'm hoping you don't know the real connotations of the word as your an American living in Japan (from what I've read) but if you do then my opinion of you has just plummeted.

To answer the general thrust of your post whilst ignoring the racism, yes of course they would you dick. We've all seen CCTV of the failed London plot from July 21st... The vast majority of the British public are tolerant, accepting and moderate and would never consider a 'run' on the Muslim elements of our communities. We didn't after 7/7 and we won't now, whatever vengeful spite people like the BNP and the Daily Mail like to spit.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:44 pm

... Paki is a racist term?

... Heard it a million times, used by ... well, by people from Pakistan, as well as Brits.

... Anyway, no offense was intended.

... "stan" means "nation"... Afghanistan being the nation of Afghans... Turkemistan being the nation of Turkmenis, ... what might have been Kurdistan (had things gone differently in Iraq), would have been a nation of Kurds.

... But... if anybody was offended, I do apologize.

... seriously.

... that "dick" was a bit much, though.

...

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:53 pm

Nobunaga wrote:... Paki is a racist term?

... Heard it a million times, used by ... well, by people from Pakistan, as well as Brits.

... Anyway, no offense was intended.

... "stan" means "nation"... Afghanistan being the nation of Afghans... Turkemistan being the nation of Turkmenis, ... what might have been Kurdistan (had things gone differently in Iraq), would have been a nation of Kurds.

... But... if anybody was offended, I do apologize.

... seriously.

... that "dick" was a bit much, though.

...

I know what stan means. I know what the Paki part means too. The stan in this case actually comes as part of Baluchistan, with the previous letters standing for Punjab, Afghan proince, Kashmir and Sindh. In the UK Paki is very much a racist term for anyone from the Indian subcontinent. Pretty much similar to Nigger in its connotations and acceptability. But I realise you may well have not come across it used in that way.

My anger about the point of your post stands, however. How many lynchings or violent anti-Muslim mobs have you heard about in recent British history? It seems a ridiculous assertion to cast upon a people you clearly have no clue about.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:06 pm

Guiscard wrote: My anger about the point of your post stands, however. How many lynchings or violent anti-Muslim mobs have you heard about in recent British history? It seems a ridiculous assertion to cast upon a people you clearly have no clue about.

... Well, I've no doubt you know what you're talking about, so my apology stands.

... I have seen numerous reports of instances of racial violence in the UK, usually acts committed by white youth (often drunk) against blacks, against Indians, etc... Which was the reasoning behind my comment.

... Notice, I made no claim that such an abhorrence (racial attacks) would not have at least an equal probability of occurrence, if indeed not greater, in my home country.

... Back on topic, it seems AL-QA'EDA is suspected in this plot. Seems a bit low-tech for them, but it's got to be a bit unnerving for Londoners all the same.

...

Iz Man · Post by **Iz Man** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:13 pm

Wait a minute......

I thought there wasn't any terror threat..... hmmmmm

Oh, and Nobunaga,
forget "debating" that guy. For he knows absolutely everything about absolutely everything.
We are but mere mortals in comparison......

You'll see....

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:14 pm

Iz Man wrote:Wait a minute......

I thought there wasn't any terror threat..... hmmmmm

Oh, and Nobunaga,
forget "debating" that guy. For he knows absolutely everything about absolutely everything.
We are but mere mortals in comparison......

You'll see....

Who said their wasn't any terror threat?

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:22 pm

Guiscard wrote: Who said their wasn't any terror threat?

... It's an American thing.

... The terror threat is being denied by many politicians, claiming that such is just a tool being used to scare the public and to keep the Patriot Act in place. It became a big thing when the film maker, Michael Moore said as much, and shortly thereafter by John Edwards (running for Pres in 2008, maybe).

... You probably knew that. I just typed it out for the benefit of anybody who might not.

... Back on topic, I thought at first, upon hearing about these car bombs, that this might have something to do with theRushdie Knighthood ... as there were rather large protests as a result, and not only in Britain... "Death to the Queen", etc...

...

Jehan · Post by **Jehan** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:52 pm

the article said one car had 60 litres of petrol, wouldn't that just burn? not explode? just wondering.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:02 pm

... Yeah.. low-tech.

... There was gasoline, pressurized cans of gas (like you hook up to BBQ), and many boxes of nails (obvious reasons).

... The second car bomb is suspected to have been placed to kill people fleeing the first explosion (this technique has been used a lot in Iraq, I read).

... A fertilizer explosive (like in Oklahoma, years back) might have a lot more explosive power.... I think. (no scientific knowledge... just guessing - seen the Fed building in Oklahoma?)

...

Jehan · Post by **Jehan** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:11 pm

ok i can get the gas, but petrol will only burn, only petrol vapours explode.

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:12 pm

The heat from the petrol flame that is really hard to put out would set off the canisters.

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:21 pm

Iz Man wrote:Oh, and Nobunaga,
forget "debating" that guy. For he knows absolutely everything about absolutely everything.
We are but mere mortals in comparison......

You'll see....

You just put into words what I've suspected for awhile now.

Jehan · Post by **Jehan** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:30 pm

2dimes wrote:The heat from the petrol flame that is really hard to put out would set off the canisters.

fair enough.

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:33 pm

Jehan wrote:
2dimes wrote:The heat from the petrol flame that is really hard to put out would set off the canisters.
fair enough.

However, I suspect they probably just thought it would explode like in the movies.

Jehan · Post by **Jehan** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:35 pm

jumangi!
doesn't anything in the movies actually work?

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:40 pm

Jehan wrote:jumangi!
doesn't anything in the movies actually work?

Not much, movies would be too boring if they were realistic.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:45 am

It seems they were attempting to make a gas-air mix bomb, or something. I saw the theory and it looked pretty deadly. A smaller amount of petrol was lit through a remote fuse attached to a mobile phone, and this disperses the gas vapour by perforating the gas cylinder or whatever. Then this will catch and explode with fairl nasty results, especially when combined with the nails and shrapnel and whatever else they'd left on the back seats to maim and injure. It sounds like a fairly hard thing to do and luckily they didn't pull it off, but it could have been pretty awful.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/fae.htm is the theory I think.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:46 am

luns101 wrote:
Iz Man wrote:Oh, and Nobunaga,
forget "debating" that guy. For he knows absolutely everything about absolutely everything.
We are but mere mortals in comparison......

You'll see....
You just put into words what I've suspected for awhile now.

Luns, you're mixing me up with God again...

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:03 am

Nobunaga wrote:
Guiscard wrote: Who said their wasn't any terror threat?
... It's an American thing.

... The terror threat is being denied by many politicians, claiming that such is just a tool being used to scare the public and to keep the Patriot Act in place. It became a big thing when the film maker, Michael Moore said as much, and shortly thereafter by John Edwards (running for Pres in 2008, maybe).

Is the terror threat being used to manipulate the populace? Undoubtedly. The Iraq invasion wouldn't have had the original level of support it had in the US otherwise.

... Back on topic, I thought at first, upon hearing about these car bombs, that this might have something to do with theRushdie Knighthood ... as there were rather large protests as a result, and not only in Britain... "Death to the Queen", etc...

But the muslims in Pakistan and elsewhere who shake their heads in disgust at Rushdie's knighthood don't make it onto our screens - we only see the effigy-burning lunatic fringe instead. It's not representative, just like the thankfully few race reprisal attacks in the UK were not at all representative of national feeling.