Holders who want to play against Holders.

ElDangerouso · Post by **ElDangerouso** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:32 pm

I have received a lot of flack about my tendency to hold. I'd like to compile a list of fellow holders or people who don't mind holders and play games against each other. I think the double turn hold move is a cool twist to an already awesome game. The less narrow minded player recognizes all the new strategy that comes along with this new twist and has embraced it. Seems like people get pretty pissed off at us holders so i stopped joining games and started my own games in hopes that people who hate holders and recognize me as a holder wouldn't join and then wouldn't have a reason to whine. FELLOW HOLDERS UNITE AND MEET ME ON THE BATTLEFIELD!!!

SprCobra · Post by **SprCobra** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:36 pm

I only hold when the next moves really count or if someone else is holding as to make them stop as they know theyll die slower but i dont mind holders if 1.they cant do much damage 2.they are in a shitty position and need to move fast

Aladriel · Post by **Aladriel** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:53 pm

As a twist, I want to say that I never join a game. I always start my own. So, I'm going on record as saying please don't join my game if you want to hold. Especially since most of my games don't allow double turns. There are plenty of other games waiting for you. You're more than welcome to play in my game if you refrain from holding.

Of course, now some brat will decide to join my games and hold anyway.

Darkfire001 · Post by **Darkfire001** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:29 pm

lol, a game consisting entirely of holders

what you'll end up with is just about everyone taking their turns with minutes till the next round lol, negating the effects of it lol.

ElDangerouso · Post by **ElDangerouso** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:36 pm

Thanks for your input, Aladriel. I normally start my own games too, so me joining your games is not something you should worry about.

ElDangerouso · Post by **ElDangerouso** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:40 pm

Darkfire, i'm just trying to avoid people like you who whine about it. Since you know i hold i find it odd that you joined a game that i started and then chose to whine about it afterward. But i respect your opinion and right to whine...and crackers.

Aladriel · Post by **Aladriel** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:26 pm

ElDangerouso wrote:Thanks for your input, Aladriel. I normally start my own games too, so me joining your games is not something you should worry about.

Heh.. wasn't necessarily directed at you personally. Just toward all of you "evil holders"!

Darkfire001 · Post by **Darkfire001** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:17 am

Since you know i hold i find it odd that you joined a game that i started and then chose to whine about it afterward.

Already stated, it was an oversight. Failed to see who was hosting when I joined.

But i respect your opinion and right to whine...and crackers.

Crackers? What?

Its not like my bitching is unjustified, like I'm complaining about my rolls or the turn of my game. However, I dont want to butt in on your topic and stray too far off course. So keep holding on.

KoolBak · Post by **KoolBak** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:50 am

wine and crackers.....my sister uses that on me!

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:56 am

... Holding is a "tactic" used by folks who cannot compete in a fair game. Dress it up in any verbal decoration you choose, but it's still just a cheap and underhanded way to play.

... In my most humble opinion, anyway.

ElDangerouso · Post by **ElDangerouso** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:32 am

Nobunaga wrote:... Holding is a "tactic" used by folks who cannot compete in a fair game. Dress it up in any verbal decoration you choose, but it's still just a cheap and underhanded way to play.

... In my most humble opinion, anyway.

if it's within the rules it's fair. i'd be happy to compete against you in a no double turns game or a sequential game.

Chiater · Post by **Chiater** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:22 pm

What really annoys me are those "holders", if this can count as a holder, that start their turn, attack one place, and then sit there and don't do anything for like an hour or maybe even the whole day! and its not even like they're the last person to play before the next round or anything... I just want to see what the hell they'll do.. In this game I'm playing now I already finished my turn but this guy's annoying me cuz he just wont' end his damn turn! if you're gonna start your turn then end it too!

ElDangerouso · Post by **ElDangerouso** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:50 pm

ah yeh, i was afraid of this. i guess the title of this thread wasn't obvious enough for anyone other than clear thinking adults. i'd be happy to join all of you in the "pros & cons of holding" thread, or the "i hate holders" thread, or the "ooh, i can tell you held b4" thread, or "holders have feelings too" thread, or darkfire's fav "just hold me you big hairy bear of a man" thread.... all kidding aside, at least darkfire was able to see that this thread was veering off course.

Chiater · Post by **Chiater** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:04 pm

ha, well I mean some people just want to let off some steam or get their thoughts out about this and since the topic started you might as well add your 2 cents here as opposed to starting some new discussion or talking about it in an unrelated discussion...

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:14 pm

... I mean, think about it - WHY hold? The resons are obvious.

<holder scenario>

... I just played my turn and I control all of Africa... barely. If that guy up in Europe should want to place armies in Southern Europe and invade, I'm basically screwed. But if that player in Brazil gets ambitious I'll be in trouble there, too. What to do? What to do?

... I know! I'll just go to bed and come back in the AM when I KNOW everyone will be chompin' at the bit to play, since I never ended my turn. Then I'll click End Fortifications, wait about 20 seconds for the first sucker to start playing and WHAM! I got the European bonus plus my norm to kick their butts!

.... Cause I can't play a straight game.

</ holder scenario>

... It's an abuse of the system? Well, a lot of people do it and Lack has more or less stated that it IS a strategic choice. So no, I wouldn't call it abuse. Anybody who wants a real game can always go with sequential.

... Sad, though, that the ranks of Conquer Club's Majors (highest ranking players) are rife with Double Turns Allowed Game Holders (with very notable exceptions, mind) who play newbies who don't know any better. Pity the new guys.