Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

thegeneralpublic · Post by **thegeneralpublic** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:21 pm

What are the pale gray dots? Are they just rooms without bonus?

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:26 pm

This map looks un-mibi-esque.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:07 pm

Loving the play on this one Mibi - can't wait for your superb GFX to finish it off.

Defs agree that weapons should have names... if not names then icons (-> key)?

C.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:38 pm

Mibi...fantastic map....great concept....the names are fabulous. Great work.

This'll be something that everyone will love playing I'm sure.

cena-rules · Post by **cena-rules** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:34 pm

Im looking forward to playing this

Night Strike · Post by **Night Strike** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:50 pm

Dang this looks crazily confusing.......I don't know if I like it. Anyway, how do you attack?? Can you attack members from the same gang? neighboring circles? what?

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:56 pm

Night Strike wrote:Dang this looks crazily confusing.......I don't know if I like it. Anyway, how do you attack?? Can you attack members from the same gang? neighboring circles? what?

It's my understanding you can attack anything in the same room and connected rooms.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:31 am

changes:
1. gang leaders are more visible
2. weapons are named
gun
baton
shank
shiv
wire
hammer
syringe
blade
club

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:35 am

Perhaps think about making the Leaders neutral?

That way no-one gets a bonus straight up?

Also - don't like the new fish rule... to get the bonus then you already have to have a leader - which probs means you might be well in with the bonuses...

I reckon - Make it a collect as many as you can - but worth less than a proper gang...

C.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:36 am

If all the guards and weapons are still going to be neutral ? could be another guard themed weapon, like taser (tazer?). You have to dig through 2 or in some cases 3 guards to get to it and the baton, so it doesn't seem imbalanced. Plus if you own one of those prisoners you're getting a negative bonus from the hole anyway.

I agree that you shouldn't need a gang leader for new fish. The rule itself I don't have a problem with.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:38 am

have the new fish count as part of any gang dependign where your getting the bonus form.

for exaple 3 fish get a +1 onto your gang bonus. so you still need to get a leader to execute there bonus

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:40 am

gimil that's going to be really hard in the xml. Or at least it has broken my mind at the moment. It's easier if new fish are their own set of collections and aren't a part of every gang's collection.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:40 am

Coleman wrote:gimil that's going to be really hard in the xml. Or at least it has broken my mind at the moment. It's easier if new fish are their own set of collections and aren't a part of every gang's collection.

Concur - would be mega tricky!!!

C.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:43 am

simple program the fish gang 5 times each with a diffirent leader.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:50 am

gimil wrote:simple program the fish gang 5 times each with a diffirent leader.

Doesn't quite work like that I'm afraid!!!

C.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:52 am

how would it be done then?

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:08 am

gimil wrote:how would it be done then?

Well this is just theoretical but I would probably need to do each gang on it's own first, probably 5 or 6 times with overrides. Then I'd need to do them all again with new fish mixed in, but the problem becomes how the overrides work and what should be the top set. You shouldn't be able to fulfill the complete gang bonus with new fish, which creates a whole new set of problems, how do I guarantee that the complete gang is being fulfilled only by gang members and not be the new fish portion of the collection.

I still say it would be best to have the new fish be how they are now but without a gang leader requirement. This would have the added effect of you not being completely screwed by losing a leader if you have a small group of new fish, which I think is a good thing.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:10 am

i understand now.

It would make more sence to have the fish as a seperate gang

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:20 pm

Ok ill remove the leader requirement for the new fish.

all the bonuses are up for discussion. its hard to say how easy or hard it will be to unite 13 or 15 members.

with 33 guards its a possible bonus of +16 but it would be next to impossible to hold all the guards especially in the cell blocks.

coleman, what are saying about the weapons? the only guard weapons are in the guard areas.

also maybe if you hold the gas chamber (?) you can attack any gang leader. i dunno, im still looking for some good ideas for that space. if i cant come up with something i wil just fill it in.

too bad it can't be a lock down switch and make all the cells one ways or something.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:24 pm

mibi wrote:also maybe if you hold the gas chamber (?) you can attack any gang leader. i dunno, im still looking for some good ideas for that space. if i cant come up with something i wil just fill it in.

too bad it can't be a lock down switch and make all the cells one ways or something.

I was saying that the ? should be another weapon with a guard theme (tazer or taser, still not sure on spelling) but if you already decided something else for it nevermind.

Molacole · Post by **Molacole** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:55 pm

this looks like th eultimate terminator map!

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:19 pm

here is a version with the neutrals

im not so sure about making the gang leaders neutral. I think it would be extremely rare that a player would start with 7 members including the leader in order to get a +4 bonus. a start with a +1 isnt a big deal. also i need to remove one new fish since there are 16 which makes the total starting areas 91, not a good number. so i need to reduce it to 90. if each gang leader were neutral wit would bring it down to 95 which isnt divisble by anything useful.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:19 pm

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:20 pm

My only concern is that a player could start with 3 or more in the hole. I can program to make sure it isn't negative numbers, but having none to deploy for a while could potentially suck. A lot.

Actually now that I've done the math in my head with 90 you couldn't go negative first turn unless you lost territories.

fireedud · Post by **fireedud** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:22 pm

I think the gang leaders should be the ones who are in the hole. Or maybe if you have all the guards and the warden the hole -1 bonus will stop.

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