Cat. Mafia Pain Killer & Kwanton WIN

[Koesen]

I'LL BANDWAGON FOR FOOD!

You should be happy to finally be in a game with me where I'm not getting you killed. Don't push your luck

[Koesen]

Hmmm...

Right now, I think The1exile is the best target remaining, unless he claims. His lack thereof is fishy in the extreme.

So why not vote for him? He's had several days to join the mass role claim, he's been on this forum more than once and yet he hasn't claimed or even bothered to say something like 'I prefer no to'.

[Aimless]

Hmmm.

Well, I had been holding off because I wanted to see him claim; but, you're right. He's had plenty of time.

Vote: The1exile

[The1exile]

Hmmm.

Well, I had been holding off because I wanted to see him claim; but, you're right. He's had plenty of time.

Vote: The1exile

Missed this game today. Sorry.

I'm a one shot vig. I haven't used the power yet (I was going to use it tonight on you aimless - no offence intended, but like I said, you pinged my scumdar).

Not that I expect it to save me, but meh.

I understand mandy's suspicions of a godfather, but actually I think kalish has a different role, so I'm confident of his townieness, for now.

Anyone know where incans went?

[kwanton]

unvote vote exile for same reasons as fircoal.(too many vigs/useless role now)

[kalishnikov]

Oh and 1 more thing, I'm town dammit. Let me live till tomorrow and investigate me tonight, not to mention I may be the closest thing to a doc that we've got left.

I smell a Godfather.
unvote
vote Kalish

Understandable thought because your a smart player. I'm not though. If I was I wouldn't have made the statement you quoted. I've got nothing to hide, and my role may be an asset to the town at the moment.

If at some point you (the own in general) feel I'm the next who should die, feel free, but make sure you get the scum afterward.

[kalishnikov]

EBWOP (*town in general).

sorry, missed the 't'.

[kwanton]

On second though unvote

At first this many vigs seemed superfluous but I forgot catastrophe was a bloodbath. We alread lynched fircoal. I wonder if there's any reason to lynch another one.

kalish seems the most useless now that I actually went back and researched incan's role.

vote kalish(again)

On a related note Skoff and incan aren't posting as much as the rest of us so if either are lying and scum (I doubt it but there is a chance) then they pretty much have a free pass since we're ignoring them.

So can one of the cops (koesen or skoff) investigate mandy tonight? I made this point a while ago and I dunno if I was responded to. Bomb is a pretty damn good claim for mafia.

Only two who I think should not be lynched are koesen and mandy. Everyone else is fair game far as I'm concerned.

[Aimless]

Hmmm...

I'm not sure how I feel about you, kalishnikov. Unfortunately, it could go both ways, and "investigate me, damnit!" is exactly the type of post a Godfather (knowing that he's cop-immune) would make.

I'm seriously considering trying to end this game right now; I think I have a good enough handle on the setup to say that mandy and Koesen are both town. Lynch everyone else, and we should have a town win. (Of course, you guys only have my word and his regarding mandy's role, so I can understand if you're hesitant in this regard.)

However, in lieu of that, leaving seven alive seems fair; it should give us one more day, no matter how the night goes.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Vote count is accurate through Incan's vote on this page further down.

Takes 5 to lynch

3 Kalish (Mandy, Kwanton, Incan)
2 The1Exile (Koeson, Aimless)


mandalorian2298
skoffin
kwanton
Aimless
Incan
Koesen


Day 2 Lynched:
7 ga7 (Mandy, Incan, Koeson, Kalish, Pain Killer, Kwanton, Aimless)
6 Pain Killer (Pancake, Mandy, Exile, Fircoal, Kwanton, Koeson)
6 PancakeMix (Kwanton, Aimless, Fircoal, Kalish, Pancake, Koeson)
5 Fircoal (Mandy, Aimless, Kwanton, Koeson, Kalish)

[Skoffin]

Well I've pretty much said my piece already, didn't have much more to say after that. I seriously do not trust Mandy, as I said before he had ample opportunity to say he wasn't a cop while that confusion was up and Ga was lynched, and just because he didn't make a move during the night doesn't mean we are completly certain he's not one of them and someone else did the action, so he could be a scum who took a good opportunity to mislead us while still looking like town.
I'm not saying we should lynch him today, I'm just saying be wary >>

[Koesen]

I haven't bothered to figure out Incandenza, since I'm wasting too much time here as it is, but Skoffin's 'night cop' claim sounds convincing to me if only because she brought up the 'night' part.

I understand this doesn't prove anything to anybody who isn't a cop, but it convinces me.

Incandenza is surfing along on my trust of Aimless.

Kwanton: I'm perfectly willing to investigate Mandy. I've been hesitating between him and Aimless as cases where I expect and hope to find town, and somebody else I'm not so sure of.

So far, I've essentially based my entire game on Aimless, and I pray I'm not wrong about him, which is why I'm considering him. But Mandy is a good target too.

Also, the tiny voice of doubt in my mind regarding Aimless is the main reason why I don't want to finish it all today (that is, if the next lynch doesn't end it, I want to know who's who before the next round.)

Something that just came to mind: is there a chance that one the mafia people has a one time extra night kill ability? Sort of like a mafia vig? That might screw up the math.

[kwanton]

Something that just came to mind: is there a chance that one the mafia people has a one time extra night kill ability? Sort of like a mafia vig? That might screw up the math.

This is why I'm torn about how many we should lynch.

The original purpose behind the roleclaim was to endgame it before night. But we still can't be sure about everyone. So scum may have anywhere between 1 and 3 NK's tonight. (Max is 2 mafia factions and koesen's theory. Any more and I think that would be pushing it for a 17 player mafia. Min is just 1 or 2 scum from a single faction). Heres how I think it will happen.

1.We leave 8 alive(what we have now) worst case scenario: 3 die, maybe 4 if exile kills, and we have 4-5 alive and mafia would outnumber town. Endgame. Best case scenario: There's just one mafia and exile gets lucky. Endgame.

2. We leave 7 alive. Worst case: Mafia kill 3. 4 town left. Endgame. Best case: same as above but there's also less options for investigation with 7 so we have a higher chance of an investigative role catching scum.

3. We leave 6 alive. Worst case: Same as above. Best case: Same as above. Even higher chance of investigative catching scum. Also there is a higher chance that we caught scum during the day.

4. We leave 5 alive. Worst case: Mafia kill 2 (not three cuz then it would endgamed before night). Mafia outnumber town. Best case: We took out at least one mafia during the day (by day I mean since we've had 8 remaining). Night all the remaining mafia can do is kill one. Next day we have it since with 4 left we will have a good grasp of who is what.

Leaving four alive is the point of no return IMO. If we end up leaving only four then there is definitely one mafia member. Even if we let it get to night with only four left mafia will kill one leaving three alive. LYLO situation. If we get to 4 then we might as well keep going. This was the original plan but the thing is, I highly doubt anyone is gonna want to lynch mandy without an investigation. (I'm assuming bomb goes off when lynched too). So if mandy is scum we've lost. Skoff and Incan aren't being suspected either from what I gather so unless either screws up, we just lost.


Pretty long I know. Anything I overlooked? I think the best course of action would be the middle ground. Leave 5-6 alive. Leaving 7-8 has the possibility of not catching enough mafia during the day. Leaving any less than 5 and we can't let it get to night.

[Incandenza]

First off, an apology. I haven't been as active in this game as I should have. It's a combo of too many games, RL side gigs, and (to be quite honest) sheer laziness on my part.

That being said, I find it immensely entertaining that kalish dedicated an entire post to adding a 't' to 'own'... like he knows that any last mistake is going to be seized upon, and as a potential mafia knows he can't even attract the barest amount of suspicion given how many people were going after him before. Thus he makes a big deal out of making sure we know he was talking about the town, so no one has any sort of perceived Freudian slip to exploit.

So unvote VOTE kalish

I'm sorry if you're a townie.

On a related note, I've been characterized as "surfing on Aimless' credibility", and while that is pretty much true, let me say this: if aim turns out to be mafia, I will find that bucolic landscape depicted in his avvy and light it on fire and then piss on the ashes.

I'm also going to make somewhat of a cryptic comment: if this game turns out like MB's Aqua Teen game, I may be forced to stab forty people at random.

[Aimless]

Well, Incan, I'm pretty sure I know what you are (at least, I know what you claimed you are), but I'm not sure enough of it to be willing to leave you alive at the end of the game - unless one of the cops investigates, and there are probably better investigation targets than you. Otherwise, for insurance sake, both you and I should probably die before the game ends.

I pretty much agree with kwanton's assessment of things; that's just about how I'm reading the possibilities as well. If we intend on letting the game go to night, then I think we ought to leave seven alive. Assuming two night kills (the most likely, IMHO), that gives us five in the morning, and odd numbers are better odds for the town.

Thus, we should probably lynch one more. I'm torn between Exile and kalish, though. There's a good case to be made against both of them; but, I think we ought to chose Exile for the following reasons :

1) Assuming they are both telling the truth, a bus driver is more valuable to us than a vig.

2) Fircoal claim vig as well; that sounds extremely fishy.

3) Exile wants to kill me. (j/k)

And, one last thing before I'm done - I think this is a good point to make a quick assessment of the remaining players and their claims :

Aimless - Tracker
kwanton - Hider
Koesen - Night Cop
Skoffin - Night Cop
Incandenza - Withheld
kalishnikov - Bus Driver
The1Exile - One-shot Vig
mandalorian - Bomb

With four supposed investigative roles (this is including kwanton's Hider role, since he can confirm townies), hopefully we can put this game on ice.

[Koesen]

Gone today and tomorrow, back on Sunday!

[kalishnikov]

First off, an apology. I haven't been as active in this game as I should have. It's a combo of too many games, RL side gigs, and (to be quite honest) sheer laziness on my part.

That being said, I find it immensely entertaining that kalish dedicated an entire post to adding a 't' to 'own'... like he knows that any last mistake is going to be seized upon, and as a potential mafia knows he can't even attract the barest amount of suspicion given how many people were going after him before. Thus he makes a big deal out of making sure we know he was talking about the town, so no one has any sort of perceived Freudian slip to exploit.

So unvote VOTE kalish

I'm sorry if you're a townie.

Fair enough, whoever I'd say it's kind of a weak argument as to why I'm scum. "He likes proper spelling, get him!"

I personally think we need to take care of Exile before this goes any farther, he's been too quite for too long at this point, having never claimed. So I'll add Vote: the1exile.

Again, if you guys really think that I should die, that's fine. I just recommend you make damn sure you're right about who's who before you lynch me, because from what I gather I'm the only one with any sort of protective powers at the moment (I'll be it a weak one, but none the less).

[The1exile]

I personally think we need to take care of Exile before this goes any farther, he's been too quite for too long at this point, having never claimed. So I'll add Vote: the1exile.

Skim much?

[kwanton]

because from what I gather I'm the only one with any sort of protective powers at the moment (I'll be it a weak one, but none the less).

Actually......

[kwanton]

Stupid post reply button. EBWOP. There may actually be a doc left. Go back. Read old posts. I dunno if I'm sposed to say this outright but the role is there.

[Incandenza]

Given the fact that we lynched fircoal for being a 'vig', I'd say it's only fair to lynch the one-shot vig.

And looking at the current voting, I might be a bit hasty in going after kalish. He's still at the top of my list, but it looks like we've got a better chance at exile.

unvote VOTE exile

The kalish-as-GF thing doesn't work for me, really, unless this is one of those games where cops only get alignments and not roles. i.e., the GF would come up as vanilla townie, not a bus driver.

And I wasn't just being anal-retentive when I pointed out the 't'own thing. Today's intelligent, on-the-go mafia knows to be very careful about how they phrase things. Loose typos sink ships.

[The1exile]

I'm not going to try and defend myself, as town's role is cat is to go happily to the grave. But I would ask that if you lynch me, you lynch Aim as well; simply because I find him suspicious and I was gonna kill him anyway.

kalish is skimming, but I do think he might be a townie role.

[Aimless]

I'm not going to try and defend myself, as town's role is cat is to go happily to the grave. But I would ask that if you lynch me, you lynch Aim as well; simply because I find him suspicious and I was gonna kill him anyway.

kalish is skimming, but I do think he might be a townie role.

I've said all along that I think it's a good idea that I be lynched before the end.

I'm more aware than anyone of the way I've been domineering this game; letting me get away with it a live would be too much.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Takes 5 to lynch
4 The1Exile (Koeson, Aimless, Kalish, Incan)
2 Kalish (Mandy, Kwanton, )



mandalorian2298
skoffin
kwanton
Aimless
Incan
Koesen


Day 2 Lynched:
7 ga7 (Mandy, Incan, Koeson, Kalish, Pain Killer, Kwanton, Aimless)
6 Pain Killer (Pancake, Mandy, Exile, Fircoal, Kwanton, Koeson)
6 PancakeMix (Kwanton, Aimless, Fircoal, Kalish, Pancake, Koeson)
5 Fircoal (Mandy, Aimless, Kwanton, Koeson, Kalish)

[Skoffin]

Might as well get this overwith >>

vote Exile