Super Mario Mafia - TOWN WIN!

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:58 am

Minister Masket wrote:
Serbia wrote:Is this a vote for today MM?
No I just felt like voting for him... [/sarcasm]

WTF?! That was a legitimate question. YOU VOTED AT NIGHT!!!!! He was trying to make sure it was a definite vote instead of a reiteration. No need for sarcasm on your part. Defensive much?
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Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:01 pm

kwanton wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:
Serbia wrote:Is this a vote for today MM?
No I just felt like voting for him... [/sarcasm]
WTF?! That was a legitimate question. YOU VOTED AT NIGHT!!!!! He was trying to make sure it was a definite vote instead of a reiteration. No need for sarcasm on your part. Defensive much?
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Yes, I did let my anger carry away with me. I apologize for doing that, it t'will not happen again.
HOWEVER, I then posted the same post in today's game day.
My vote stands, unless Koesen can explain why he voted for a townie twice, and in doing so, started a bandwagon.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:14 pm

I already said everything I can say about it.

My first vote was so random I had forgotten about it until you brought it up again.

My second one was in response to the attack he mounted against me. An attack that was misguided and in my opinion went beyond justifiable townie suspicion.

I did not organize a bandwagon against him. I reacted to the bandwagon he tried to organize against me.

I was wrong about him, evidently, which makes me look bad. However, I wasn't the only one who was mistaken about him and my second vote for him did not come out of thin air.

If you are town and somebody launches a wild attack on you based on a misinterpretation, don't you defend yourself?

Your main bit of evidence seems to be that my second vote was not random. Of course it wasn't. I never said it was. In fact, I went on at some length to explain why it was not random. What's so scummy about a motivated vote? Why are you making such a big deal of something that is blatantly obvious to absolutely everyone? You talk about it as if you have uncovered some kind of elaborate conspiracy, when in reality you're just making a lot of noise over nothing.

Since I was wrong yesterday about counterattacking the guy who attacked me, I'll refrain from voting for you now. I don't know you very well and I'm not sure how to judge your playing style. But I do think you are suspicious.

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:21 pm

Hmmmm.
UNVOTE...for now...
It's a good thing you didn't vote for me, otherwise that would be considered a retalitory vote.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:30 pm

Minister Masket wrote:Hmmmm.
UNVOTE...for now...
It's a good thing you didn't vote for me, otherwise that would be considered a retalitory vote.

You have a bit of a habit of stating the obvious, don't you?

Of course voting for you because you voted for me would be retaliatory.

Anyway, I appreciate the unvote. Frankly, I didn't expect it, as you seemed pretty determined to kill me. Guess I misjudged you too, though this time nobody got killed (so far). I'm making progress

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:39 pm

MM your logic is dumber than Sheepofdumb. I would of voted you, but you did unvote.

Koesen is right, what's scummya about having a reason to vote someone, except if it's MAndy. WE lynch him without thinking.

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:42 pm

Fircoal wrote:MM your logic is dumber than Sheepofdumb. I would of voted you, but you did unvote. Koesen is right, what's scummya about having a reason to vote someone, except if it's MAndy or fircoal. WE lynch them without thinking.

Fixed it for ya

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:57 pm

kwanton wrote:
Fircoal wrote:MM your logic is dumber than Sheepofdumb. I would of voted you, but you did unvote. Koesen is right, what's scummya about having a reason to vote someone, except if it's MAndy or fircoal. WE lynch them without thinking.
Fixed it for ya

HEY! That's not nice.

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:47 pm

Fircoal wrote:MM your logic is dumber than Sheepofdumb. I would of voted you, but you did unvote. Koesen is right, what's scummya about having a reason to vote someone, except if it's MAndy. WE lynch him without thinking.

My logic is faultless!
Delete!
DELETE!

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:55 pm

Serbia was very willing to try and attack Aimless earlier in the game- around page 10 or so- but continued to back off. It seems like he was trying to get a bandwagon started without even voting, then, when he saw that wouldn't work, began trying different tactics...

Unvote

Vote: Serbia.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:15 pm

VOTE COUNT

Serbia (1) AnarkistsDream
Minister Masket (1) Freezie
Koesen (1) LSU Tiger Josh
Not Voting (10) Gimpy, Kwanton, Talapus, Fircoal, Pancakemix, Koesen, Exile, MM, Kalishnikov, Serbia

with 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

gimpyThewonder · Post by **gimpyThewonder** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:07 pm

right now you are all looking rather scummy to me

Koesen admits that his vote on GA7 was retaliatory in nature yet we just let that go? seems pretty scummy to me.

Freezie pops out of nowhere to vote MM for not having enough evidence for his vote. seems like scum logic to me. 'you vote w/out evidence so now i shall do the same, mu-hu-ha-ha-ha'

MM also looked kinda scummy for caving to pressure on his Koesen vote. Once some of the heat got put on him he backed off. maybe its just me but when i'm sure of someone being scum i hold onto that vote like a pitbull.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:18 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Serbia was very willing to try and attack Aimless earlier in the game- around page 10 or so- but continued to back off. It seems like he was trying to get a bandwagon started without even voting, then, when he saw that wouldn't work, began trying different tactics...

Unvote

Vote: Serbia.

Interesting logic... I was never interested in voting for Aimless however. He voted for me, I think I MAY have put a FOS on him, don't rightly remember for sure, (80% says I did, more I think of it) but I never REALLY thought of him as scum. Which is why I never voted him. He started off with a vote for me, kind of random, but he did post what passed for Day 1 as an ok reason. But as I do remember posting at some point, I was always more suspicious of ga7 than I was of Aim. I was off base, of course, but that's that.

And I will put down a FOS on MM, woulda been a vote, for reasons mentioned above, except that he unvoted. But he's standing out right now as the scummiest, IMO.

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:26 pm

Minister Masket wrote:
freezie wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:UNVOTE
VOTE KOESEN
Don't be fooled by his "apparant" despair, he voted for ga7 twice.
Perhaps the first vote was random, but the second? Unlikely.

There was 9 votes against ga7. And you only go on koesen, for the simple fact he voted twice? Day 1 is always rather clueless, there was no way for him to kow he was town if koesen was town.

I do NOT clear him, but MM, that's not the greatest reason to vote IMO.

Vote: MM Unless you got more evidences? I will be happy to unvote if you can show some thing else, too..
But the fact remains he was the one of the first to vote for him. He practically started the bandwagon against ga7. And that just aint right.

Serbia wrote:Is this a vote for today MM?
No I just felt like voting for him... [/sarcasm]
Koesen wrote:No shit, Sherlock. My second vote had about a page worth of motivation. Of course it wasn't random. It was based on what I perceived to be a scummy attack.

Do you realize you are making a lot of noise here without actually saying anything that isn't blatantly obvious?
Yeah well, you "percieved" wrong. The fact that you lynched a townie and I didn't kind of points the finger at yourself. Remember, you were the first to vote for ga7...

In general I don't buy it. In fact, my scumdar is beeping loudly. It looks good on paper, but then again that's the point. You're trying to draw the attention away from yourself. And on top of that, the unvote?!? Why? If you thought he was scum for voting that way then your vote should have stayed. Removing it only makes you look more suspicious.

So, Vote - - - MM

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:33 pm

You got most of that bolded Tal

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:06 pm

gimpyThewonder wrote:
Freezie pops out of nowhere to vote MM for not having enough evidence for his vote. seems like scum logic to me. 'you vote w/out evidence so now i shall do the same, mu-hu-ha-ha-ha'

NO evidences? MM voted for a guy, simply because that guy did in fact vote for a townie. How often does that happen in a game? Countless times.

In fact, MM voted him because he started a bandwaggon against ga7. Shouldn't the bandwagonners be scummier? Yea.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:39 pm

gimpyThewonder wrote:right now you are all looking rather scummy to me

Koesen admits that his vote on GA7 was retaliatory in nature yet we just let that go? seems pretty scummy to me.

Freezie pops out of nowhere to vote MM for not having enough evidence for his vote. seems like scum logic to me. 'you vote w/out evidence so now i shall do the same, mu-hu-ha-ha-ha'

MM also looked kinda scummy for caving to pressure on his Koesen vote. Once some of the heat got put on him he backed off. maybe its just me but when i'm sure of someone being scum i hold onto that vote like a pitbull.

Other then bit about Freezie (his actions seem justified in my opinion), I agree completely.

Weak accusations with no follow-through looks scummier then anything, in my opinion.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:45 pm

kalishnikov wrote:
gimpyThewonder wrote:right now you are all looking rather scummy to me

Koesen admits that his vote on GA7 was retaliatory in nature yet we just let that go? seems pretty scummy to me.

Freezie pops out of nowhere to vote MM for not having enough evidence for his vote. seems like scum logic to me. 'you vote w/out evidence so now i shall do the same, mu-hu-ha-ha-ha'

MM also looked kinda scummy for caving to pressure on his Koesen vote. Once some of the heat got put on him he backed off. maybe its just me but when i'm sure of someone being scum i hold onto that vote like a pitbull.
Other then bit about Freezie (his actions seem justified in my opinion), I agree completely.

Weak accusations with no follow-through looks scummier then anything, in my opinion.

What type of follow-through do you want with weak accusations? A vote? Best follow-through I can think of!

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:39 pm

freezie wrote:In fact, MM voted him because he started a bandwaggon against ga7. Shouldn't the bandwagonners be scummier? Yea.

I don't agree with this. If someone actively tried to start a bandwagon then I think that person would be much scummier than the people that got hoodwinked.

I was under the impression that we lynched because the deadline was fast approaching. That was why I voted at least.... So even if that was a bandwagon, I don't see how anyone was at fault for a day one random lynching.

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:37 am

gimpyThewonder wrote: MM also looked kinda scummy for caving to pressure on his Koesen vote. Once some of the heat got put on him he backed off. maybe its just me but when i'm sure of someone being scum i hold onto that vote like a pitbull.

Serbia wrote:And I will put down a FOS on MM, woulda been a vote, for reasons mentioned above, except that he unvoted.

What the frikken HELL!?
gimpy hates me for backing off.
Serbia likes it that I backed off!

How the blip am I supposed to please you people!

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:42 am

Minister Masket wrote:What the frikken HELL!?
gimpy hates me for backing off.
Serbia likes it that I backed off!

How the blip am I supposed to please you people!

I like that you backed off. I didn't like why you backed off. You caved into pressure and probably would have held the vote otherwise, and that was a really bad reason to vote someone. So pretty much you screwed yourself over by voting for him in the first place.

Vote MM

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:23 am

pancakemix wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:What the frikken HELL!?
gimpy hates me for backing off.
Serbia likes it that I backed off!

How the blip am I supposed to please you people!
I like that you backed off. I didn't like why you backed off. You caved into pressure and probably would have held the vote otherwise, and that was a really bad reason to vote someone. So pretty much you screwed yourself over by voting for him in the first place.

Vote MM

QFT

I'm thinking the exact same thing. I'm still holding off on voting for you, because I'm just not totally convinced, but (due in part to the lack of activety here

) you're the best option today for lynch.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:38 am

kwanton wrote:
freezie wrote:In fact, MM voted him because he started a bandwaggon against ga7. Shouldn't the bandwagonners be scummier? Yea.
I don't agree with this. If someone actively tried to start a bandwagon then I think that person would be much scummier than the people that got hoodwinked.

I was under the impression that we lynched because the deadline was fast approaching. That was why I voted at least.... So even if that was a bandwagon, I don't see how anyone was at fault for a day one random lynching.

I agree with you, and see why you're sayign this.

However, it's not this way I intended what I said to be seen. He hasn't PURPOSEDLY made a bandwaggon. He voted for who he thought was scummy, and people followed. I doubt it was his fault.

And I know saying this, it makes him all his fault..I am always way off...hmm.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:29 am

Minister Masket wrote:
gimpyThewonder wrote: MM also looked kinda scummy for caving to pressure on his Koesen vote. Once some of the heat got put on him he backed off. maybe its just me but when i'm sure of someone being scum i hold onto that vote like a pitbull.

Serbia wrote:And I will put down a FOS on MM, woulda been a vote, for reasons mentioned above, except that he unvoted.
What the frikken HELL!?
gimpy hates me for backing off.
Serbia likes it that I backed off!

How the blip am I supposed to please you people!

Well I hate you for making the case in the first place. The fact that you backed off isn't bad, because you had all reason too.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:26 am

Serbia wrote:
kalishnikov wrote:
gimpyThewonder wrote:right now you are all looking rather scummy to me

Koesen admits that his vote on GA7 was retaliatory in nature yet we just let that go? seems pretty scummy to me.

Freezie pops out of nowhere to vote MM for not having enough evidence for his vote. seems like scum logic to me. 'you vote w/out evidence so now i shall do the same, mu-hu-ha-ha-ha'

MM also looked kinda scummy for caving to pressure on his Koesen vote. Once some of the heat got put on him he backed off. maybe its just me but when i'm sure of someone being scum i hold onto that vote like a pitbull.
Other then bit about Freezie (his actions seem justified in my opinion), I agree completely.

Weak accusations with no follow-through looks scummier then anything, in my opinion.
What type of follow-through do you want with weak accusations? A vote? Best follow-through I can think of!

Admit that your scum, repent, then we'll lynch you.

Thats the kind of follow-through I'm talking about...

But seriously, that comment was mostly directed at MM because of the accusation, then dropping of the vote. When you think someone's scum, you don't drop the vote. But I'm still on the fence about him.

No one really stands out at the moment as scummier then anyone else other then maybe MM and a few of the regs who have been far more quite then usual.