Questions the mods refuse to answer:

OwlLawyer · Post by **OwlLawyer** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:31 pm

Admittedly, I am unsure of the forum this belongs in, but I trust it will be moved when the time comes if it is appropriate to move it.

First, I am not here to flame, I will not engage in a flame war in this thread, and I will not be baited into one.

The subject of this email refers to an email that was sent by a moderator. We were told, for no specific reason, that all Staches would be banned. I was sent an email explaining that, if I had an issue with this, I could address it via email. I did. I received no answers.

I PMed the mods. I received no answers.

So, I now will address it here, this being the only forum I know in which to do so.

Here are my questions, and they are the text of the email I sent:

So you will hold all members of the community to the same standard [to which members of the Stache are held] I assume?

And you will ban them, right?

And explain why you banned my girlfriend (stache hag) when she has done nothing, and A Mans Part when he also has done nothing?

Oh, and if it is so clear, dear moderator, the difference between a flame and a troll, please explain it to me in clear English so I can avoid crossing that line that you claim is so clear.

Oh, and why have you not banned any of the other trolls in the forum?

Just curious.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:37 pm

Twill will respond to your emails when he can ... he's currently busy in real life. Rest assured your emails are not being ignored, sometimes real life just gets in the way.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:24 pm

The difference between flaming and trolling has been explained numerous times in the Flame Wars forum.

Evidence One

To clarify, a troll is someone who is here to push buttons for the sake of pushing buttons. A troll is someone who's purpose is to destabilize the community and kill its morale.

Flaming is apart of the competitive nature of Conquer Club. Get a bad beat, don't like someone's tactics, Flame away.

--Andy

OwlLawyer · Post by **OwlLawyer** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:28 pm

So to translate: It's whatever the hell you feel like it is.

I know I am not here to "destabilize the community." Generally my flaming occurs when people make ridiculous or just plain dumb statements.

But more specifically, and more importantly, why were people who did not participate in any of that banned?

Bozo · Post by **Bozo** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:30 pm

Just so you know by posting this you are "destabilize the community" and trolling the mods, just so you get the irony in your posts

gfunkbooty · Post by **gfunkbooty** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:30 pm

i love iroby!

Bozo · Post by **Bozo** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:32 pm

ya i know stupid typos

OwlLawyer · Post by **OwlLawyer** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:33 pm

No, I am posting this to get some answers that were not given when I tried to contact the mods in private. What you are trying to do is stir shit, and make me flame you.

Really, I just want people to be treated fairly. If there are standards, hold everyone to them. You say that your definition of trolling and flaming is clear... well, I see things differently, it seems pretty arbitrary considering some of the constant comments that come from other members where no action is ever taken. Review, just as an example, hendy's posts and tell me that he should not be banned if members of the Stache are.

Bozo · Post by **Bozo** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:37 pm

I am not trying to stir the pot, i have no personal problem with you or any of the the other staches so i'm sorry if you toke offence to my post.

OwlLawyer · Post by **OwlLawyer** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:54 pm

Here is another question that should be addressed:

Someone was banned, who was neither a multi, nor had even EVER posted in this forum. How can the mods justify that?

qeee1 · Post by **qeee1** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:46 pm

I'd have to question the morality of banning the stachewhackers as a group. (They were banned as a group right?)

That includes banning people such as Pedronicus and others who have done nothing wrong here.

If you want to ban them individually that's fine, but don't ban them all.

The only justification for banning them as a group would be if the entire group could be seen as simply a trolling group. I don't think as a group their soul purpose was to subvert the administration here, or else why would they buy premium and play so many games. Many of them have contributed to conversation here.

Keltik · Post by **Keltik** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:50 pm

A Mans Apart was banned? I just finished up a game with him. Interesting.

So what are they banned from, the forum or joining games?

OwlLawyer · Post by **OwlLawyer** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:52 pm

From the forum.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:55 pm

OwlLawyer wrote:Someone was banned, who was neither a multi, nor had even EVER posted in this forum. How can the mods justify that?

Who?

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:57 pm

qeee1 wrote:I'd have to question the morality of banning the stachewhackers as a group. (They were banned as a group right?)

That includes banning people such as Pedronicus and others who have done nothing wrong here.

If you want to ban them individually that's fine, but don't ban them all.

The only justification for banning them as a group would be if the entire group could be seen as simply a trolling group. I don't think as a group their soul purpose was to subvert the administration here, or else why would they buy premium and play so many games. Many of them have contributed to conversation here.

to quote ucabears, if one person in a group does it they are all guilty(unless of course it is talking about his group)

qeee1 · Post by **qeee1** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:21 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:
qeee1 wrote:I'd have to question the morality of banning the stachewhackers as a group. (They were banned as a group right?)

That includes banning people such as Pedronicus and others who have done nothing wrong here.

If you want to ban them individually that's fine, but don't ban them all.

The only justification for banning them as a group would be if the entire group could be seen as simply a trolling group. I don't think as a group their soul purpose was to subvert the administration here, or else why would they buy premium and play so many games. Many of them have contributed to conversation here.
to quote ucabears, if one person in a group does it they are all guilty(unless of course it is talking about his group)

So you're agreeing with me?... or did I pick that up wrong.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:51 pm

qeee1 wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:
qeee1 wrote:I'd have to question the morality of banning the stachewhackers as a group. (They were banned as a group right?)

That includes banning people such as Pedronicus and others who have done nothing wrong here.

If you want to ban them individually that's fine, but don't ban them all.

The only justification for banning them as a group would be if the entire group could be seen as simply a trolling group. I don't think as a group their soul purpose was to subvert the administration here, or else why would they buy premium and play so many games. Many of them have contributed to conversation here.
to quote ucabears, if one person in a group does it they are all guilty(unless of course it is talking about his group)
So you're agreeing with me?... or did I pick that up wrong.

I was agreeing with you, and exposing uca's hypocrisy.

tanar · Post by **tanar** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:11 am

qeee1 is right. Banning of stachewhackers as a group is overreacting.

Moreover, if you have a problem with their posts in flame wars (so as to complain about them) , just why do you even read flame wars anyway?

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:17 am

that and a few subjects that have been moved by mods to off topics are the only places they post for the most part.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:22 am

**Smells the air as it follows Kyle around**

Ah...nothing like smell of dissent in the morning...

--Andy

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:25 am

AndyDufresne wrote:**Smells the air as it follows Kyle around**

Ah...nothing like smell of dissent in the morning...

--Andy

Its amazing how angry I can get over the internet

but i'm not supposed to be posting.. so I'm not.

Master Bush · Post by **Master Bush** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:16 am

wicked wrote:
OwlLawyer wrote:Someone was banned, who was neither a multi, nor had even EVER posted in this forum. How can the mods justify that?
Who?

Budltgrl. You can look it up. Not a single post. Yet Twill saw her name on my clan's member list, and banned her for it being on there. That's pure discrimination by one of your higher up Mods. Here's the PM she sent me at another site, asking about it:

Apparently I'm banned on conquer club...even though I've never posted....lol. I was going to see if you guys were playing risk tonight or tomorrow night but I don't have either of you on msn. It's ************ if you want, otherwise I can try and communicate on here.

Now you tell me if that was right or wrong on Twill's part?

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:18 am

Master Bush wrote:
wicked wrote:
OwlLawyer wrote:Someone was banned, who was neither a multi, nor had even EVER posted in this forum. How can the mods justify that?
Who?
Budltgrl. You can look it up. Not a single post. Yet Twill saw her name on my clan's member list, and banned her for it being on there. That's pure discrimination by one of your higher up Mods. Here's the PM she sent me at another site, asking about it:

Apparently I'm banned on conquer club...even though I've never posted....lol. I was going to see if you guys were playing risk tonight or tomorrow night but I don't have either of you on msn. It's ************ if you want, otherwise I can try and communicate on here.
Now you tell me if that was right or wrong on Twill's part?

It was wrong.. how did owllawyer skip most the ban?