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tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:33 pm

the poll has spoken

Kaplowitz · Post by **Kaplowitz** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:35 pm

upload your image onto imageshack.us or tinypic.com or something.

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:51 pm

k sorry I'm new to this

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:11 am

is it up yet?
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tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:12 am

good so you can see what I have as continents
just need help filling in the territory names

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:19 am

and hopefully there some Islands to add a little spice

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:20 am

and the way to win would be hold jeruselam for ten turns

Kaplowitz · Post by **Kaplowitz** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:20 am

It is very linear.

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:26 am

what did you say

Kaplowitz · Post by **Kaplowitz** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:32 am

It is too much like a line. Are there any islands in the Mediterranean that you could add? Maybe you could make it like gimil's Portugal map. Also, (like gimil's map) you might want to put it on more of an angle, this way you dont have to scroll down to see the map.

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:45 am

or I cold make it with Jordan that way it's not a line, not like portugal and it adds a whole new twist

then of course it would be hold damascus and jerusalem

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:40 am

not damascus amman

VanCleef · Post by **VanCleef** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:35 am

Stop this provocing project now. Most of world find israels neverending wars for more lebensraum discusting, and making a map of israel including occupied land is to push it beyond dignity. Keep your country and at least be smart enough to not throw it in everyones faces over and over

Kaplowitz · Post by **Kaplowitz** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:40 am

VanCleef wrote:Stop this provocing project now. Most of world find israels neverending wars for more lebensraum discusting, and making a map of israel including occupied land is to push it beyond dignity. Keep your country and at least be smart enough to not throw it in everyones faces over and over

I think he voted "no"

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:09 pm

I'll give it two more days kaplowitz do you have any Ideas

Kaplowitz · Post by **Kaplowitz** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:17 pm

tim02 wrote:I'll give it two more days kaplowitz do you have any Ideas

first of all, i think that you whould make it look a little nicer, i noticed that more people seem to respond to nicer looking maps even if the creator has stated that they area going to make the map look better later on.

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:27 pm

Kaplowitz wrote:
tim02 wrote:I'll give it two more days kaplowitz do you have any Ideas
first of all, i think that you whould make it look a little nicer, i noticed that more people seem to respond to nicer looking maps even if the creator has stated that they area going to make the map look better later on.

ok I'll need a little help but I will do what I can

d.gishman · Post by **d.gishman** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:44 pm

Dont' do the map that way -- the map is too weddingcake like, with one layer attacking another layer and so forth, which makes it really boring. You should make the West Bank a continent, and Golan Heights is own separate entity. Basically, I don't really like this map for geographical/political and gameplay issues, and I would redraft this one.

Also, to VanCleef, i have no idea what you are saying

jasnostj · Post by **jasnostj** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:58 am

I do understand very well what Van Cleef means, but I unlike him I do think it is interesting to make CC maps of politically charged regions (see my Caucasus map http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22031), as long as the existence, rights and struggles of all peoples it engulfs are respected on the map. In this earliest draft that is not the case, since Gaza, Westbank and Golan are represented as integral parts of Israel, thus sparking Van Cleef's anger.

I think it could be interesting to place this map in a wider historical and geopolitical context, and include parts of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. The continent bonuses could then be set to represent the political cases: Syria (incl. Golan), Egypt (incl. Sinai and Gaza), Jordan (incl. Westbank), Palestinian Authority (Gaza and Westbank), Israel 1948 (excl. Gaza, Westbank and Golan), Israel 1967 (incl. Gaza, Westbank, Golan and Sinai), Israel 1979 (incl. Gaza, Westbank and Golan), some kind of Jerusalem bonus, Lebanon, Lebanon under influence of Syria (extra bonus), etc.

I use this sytem of overlapping bonuses in my Caucasus map, a region also riddled with several overlapping territorial claims and aspirations. Besides the system of overlapping bonuses will ensure ongoing battle, keeping the game interesting throughout (in contrast to games where everybody is slowly building up first). I haven't seen this sytem on any other map, and nobody has given any feedback on it. Instead people are indeed only going on about the way a map LOOKS.

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:34 am

ok i'll add what I can I just don't have very mutch time

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:50 am

didn't get time to stay on long but i managed to do this in a rush is this what you mean

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:53 am

I'm thinking one or two continents in egypt 2 or 3 in jordan

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