Super Mario Mafia - TOWN WIN!

willis · Post by **willis** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:53 pm

Talapus wrote:Are you sure of your sanity?

How can I be sure of my sanity?

there is no way to be sure today, so you can trust me and lynch confirmed scum, or a possible godfather. The choice is up to you

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:53 pm

Cop evidence > 2 claims equally unverifiable. That's more like it.

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:57 pm

ga7 wrote:
The1exile wrote:Anyone else think that we might have found the scum in kwan, serbia and tappy?
Right now I find more credible that side than you being the GF. Of course I could be wrong, but again the argument of not lynching a proven scum because you might be the GF is non-sense. We can't pick which claim is the more convenient just like that, there is no proof.
For that reason I'll fight till we lynch Serbia

I've played in quite a few mafia games over the last several months. Rarely if ever, do players counterclaim a role. kwantons arguement for a bus driver is far more believable then exiles roleclaim as a tracker. Also, exile claimed first and a main character I might add for what real reason? It wasn't needed at the time.

In the rare cases I do see a counterclaim, it's because the player that originally claimed was lying. Also, how is lynching the possible and probable GF nonsense? You are supposedly bulletproof so they can't kill you at night, but they may jump on the "vote ga7 bandwagon" tomorrow and hang you. Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch the GF now?!?

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:58 pm

willis wrote:
Talapus wrote:Are you sure of your sanity?
How can I be sure of my sanity?

there is no way to be sure today, so you can trust me and lynch confirmed scum, or a possible godfather. The choice is up to you

THAT'S THE PROBLEM....If you aren't sane, how do we know he is confirmed scum. With ga7 backing this up it's not helping us either. Unless we can confirm your sanity there isn't a way to know Serbia is 100% scum.

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:00 pm

We don't have the luxury of making another mistake tonight. Two players were convinced exile was the GF. Others thought it was likely and I agree. He's our best option tonight...

willis · Post by **willis** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:02 pm

Talapus wrote:
willis wrote:
Talapus wrote:Are you sure of your sanity?
How can I be sure of my sanity?

there is no way to be sure today, so you can trust me and lynch confirmed scum, or a possible godfather. The choice is up to you

THAT'S THE PROBLEM....If you aren't sane, how do we know he is confirmed scum. With ga7 backing this up it's not helping us either. Unless we can confirm your sanity there isn't a way to know Serbia is 100% scum.

Do you have any reasons for me to be insane? If not, then trust me about serbia. If you do, then i question your sanity as a person

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:09 pm

Oh, I fondly remember those relaxed minutes of relative clarity when it was just Exile vs. Kwanton...

Talapus wrote: Ok I see that sort of. I totally buy willis' claim becas=use kwatons right, it's hard to coordinate a cooberating story like that if he was lying.

I don't know what to think anymore, but this bit I disagree with. We essentially had two nights in a row with no real day to mess up any scum plans. If ever scum had an opportunity to set up a nice scam, it would be in the past two nights.

Going to reread and see if I am suddenly enlightened...

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:19 pm

Reread and enlightenment did not come.

The1exile wrote:Anyone else think that we might have found the scum in kwan, serbia and tappy?

Could be. One of several theories going through my head now. But it seems everybody is focusing on one mafia group now. We had two night kills in most nights, and I'm worried we're overlooking something.

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:23 pm

Koesen wrote:Reread and enlightenment did not come.

The1exile wrote:Anyone else think that we might have found the scum in kwan, serbia and tappy?
Could be. One of several theories going through my head now. But it seems everybody is focusing on one mafia group now. We had two night kills in most nights, and I'm worried we're overlooking something.

Yeah, I saw that too. There could be an SK in here as well.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:29 pm

Talapus wrote:
willis wrote:
Talapus wrote:Are you sure of your sanity?
How can I be sure of my sanity?

there is no way to be sure today, so you can trust me and lynch confirmed scum, or a possible godfather. The choice is up to you

THAT'S THE PROBLEM....If you aren't sane, how do we know he is confirmed scum. With ga7 backing this up it's not helping us either. Unless we can confirm your sanity there isn't a way to know Serbia is 100% scum.

Your whole point resides in the fact that Mario could be an insane cop. The situation in Exile vs Kwan resides in one claim against the other. I prefer to trust that Nag would never make Mario insane. He's the hero FFS!

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:30 pm

Yes I think there is a SK out there. But lynching scum won't make him have the upper hand either I think

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:32 pm

There must be something.

Our best case scenario is a trigger happy vig who finally grew a brain and stopped offing people at random. A serial killer or even a second mafia faction is more likely, though I'm not sure which would be worse.

If there is a second mafia faction, I wonder if we're witnessing a gang war here

Willis and Ga7 are either both okay or rotten to the core. Exile still looks suspicious to me. Kwanton, Serbia, Talapus: all for one, one for all? Might be, might not be. Kalishnikov is quiet, but he gave a reason for it, so that will have to do. Wicked seems okay for now, or rather I don't really have an impression at all, hehe.

Been a while since I was this clueless on Day Four, hehe.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:36 pm

Kalish might be incarcerated right now.

And I'm for me and the town.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:43 pm

ga7 wrote:
kwanton wrote:
willis wrote:I was recruited night 2. I voted exile firs because LSU said he was going to recruit him last night. GF turn up town when investigated. Recruiter dies when recruiting scum. I thought exile was GF. After a while i realized he wasn't, so i went to my number 2 target
How did you come to realize he wasn't? Because if you investigated him and found town then I think he is, or we have some role that messes up investigations.
Serbia voted Exile. I realized instantly that, but I understand why you wouldn't. It does puts you in a bad position

But at the time, how could you know Serbia was scum? Willis investigated him last night. Most mods give cops their results at daybreak. How could you have known about Serbia at the time he voted exile?

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:49 pm

wicked wrote:OK I've verified with the scum wiki site that a rec. mason will die if recruiting scum. so if we're at LYLO tomorrow, let's have someone claim if you stopped a kill last night. If no kill was stopped last night, it'll be obvious which side of this to pick.

of course, there is a possibility that scum targetting LSU.

Going way back, I found this, almost forgotten by me in the chaos.

It worries me that this question has not been answered yet by anybody.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:58 pm

Since there wasn't really a question in that quote, let me clarify by saying that I would really like to know if there's anybody other than Kwanton who claims responsibility for preventing a death.

Based on what was said so far:

ga7 claims bulletproof townie
Willis claims cop
Exile claims tracker
Wicked says she stayed home
Serbia claims mayor
I said it wasn't me

Kwanton says he busdrove someone to safety, if memory serves.

That leaves...
Talapus? He was here but didn't claim one way or the other.
Kalishnikov? Question mark until he shows up, but I have reason to believe it wasn't him. Unless... Aargh! Riddles in mysteries in enigmas.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:01 pm

1. Serbia - claim mayor
3. The1exile - claim tracker
4. Kalishnikov
7. ga8 - claim unkillable townie / recruited mason
8. kwanton - claim bus driver
12. Talapus
13. willis - claim cop /recruited mason
14. koesen
16. wicked

well, serbia can prove his role by saving who we lycnh today, if we can find a probable scum.

the rest of us might as well claim. obviously the scum will go after willis tonight (provided he is mario), so even if there is a nurse, no need to keep it quiet b/c nurse will protect mario tonight and die b/c of it, or with no nurse we lose mario. the scum have plenty of targets, why not give them more instead of mario, they still won't go after the others and with the sides clearly being taken today, we'll figure out scum pretty quick once we see the alignment of who gets lynched today.

So Kozy, Tappy and Kalish, please claim. I get to go last b/c mine is the most believable and I can prove it easily.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:05 pm

Before I claim: are you sure the nurse dies if he protects Mario? If haven't seen any nurses yet, I think, so I don't know the role very well.

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:09 pm

wicked wrote:So Kozy, Tappy and Kalish, please claim. I get to go last b/c mine is the most believable and I can prove it easily.

This seems strange. If your claim is so believable then why wouldn't you claim right away? Am I missing some reason for you not to claim?

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:13 pm

in case someone tries to claim the same thing, of course.

if someone claims nurse, that person will be killed tonight by the scum b/c the nurse will protect mario, and scum can't get to mario until nurse is gone. so basically, if there is a nurse, we're sacrificing you to save mario.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:17 pm

wicked wrote:in case someone tries to claim the same thing, of course.

You are not particularly high on my suspect list, but this can be said by everybody. It would be quite convenient for scum to be the last to claim, so they know what they should stay away from.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:19 pm

The1exile wrote:
Serbia wrote:VOTE: Exile

The1exile wrote:Dang...
This is his only quote of the day, responding to the night kills. He's been around, posting elsewhere, but not here, so his submarining looks scummy to me.
Frankly, I forgot about this game, and I got nothing to go on. Though I understand your vote.

This lends credibility to exile's claim of why he didn't track night one. I assume the "dang" was more like "aww f*ck I forgot to send in my role"??

Also exile goes after kwan first thing "yesterday".

I'm believing exile at this point.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:19 pm

Koesen wrote:
wicked wrote:in case someone tries to claim the same thing, of course.
You are not particularly high on my suspect list, but this can be said by everybody. It would be quite convenient for scum to be the last to claim, so they know what they should stay away from.

yes I realize that. I wouldn't be doing it if I wasn't confident in being able to prove my role w/o a shadow of a doubt.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:20 pm

so kozy, out with it. your role? or are you thinking?

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:23 pm

Well, what the hell... I'll play.

I'm a watcher. Sort of like a tracker, except that I see who the people I target are visited by, as opposed to who they visit.

First night, I watched LSU but got roleblocked.

Second night, I watched Serbia, who wasn't visited by anybody.

Third night, I watched Kwanton, who was visited by Kalishnikov.