wicked wrote: you guys are assuming everything is the exact same as last time, when Aim pretty much came out and said it wouldn't be. I'm not assuming it's the same at all.
Then what's with the assuming that specific survivor roles do the same thing when recruited?
*brain frazzles*
Well when pancake and I die for purely being 'potential recruits', then it only makes sense that you guys kill Xen and Wicked tomorrow to cover your bases.
Ahhh I hadn't seen that, no no we need to lynch Xen today definitely. If you guys don't want me to hammer you, you should denounce him
Anyway, scum being able to recruit any roles and not only survivors is an interesting idea, assuming it works differently than last game. Anyway, we won't know till we get more BBQ.
wicked wrote:ok, so if recruited, I will just use my power for evil? in that case, if there's a role that'll stop recruiting, go ahead and use it on me tonight... as long as death isn't the only way to stop being recruited! in that case, no thanks!
oh wait, so we're back to there being a recruiter now? you guys seem to argue both for and against it, whichever helps your case at that particular time.
Ohh, you were recruited after all. I'm glad I denounced you
pancakemix wrote:In other words, lynch me on a speculation.
umm, have you played this game before? we don't KNOW anything until someone is dead, and even then, maybe not. everything is speculation. I went after you b/c you would be a roleblocker if recruited and I was blocked.... sorry, I mean "my action was stopped" (I.E. BLOCKED!)... THAT is why I originally denounced you. this other stuff about you being a threat to the town either way is just more reason for others to lynch you.
No one has come forward with another role (in general, not asking for any claims!) that could "stop a night action" or "not allow an action to go through" or whatever else you want to call BEING ROLE BLOCKED, so it stands to reason I was blocked, as I originally said (except I came to that conclusion much quicker than you seem to want to).
The Watchman is far to powerful a role to come forward. It stops all actions regarding that player. If that role came forward, the town would be screwed.
You DON'T have a good defense. You haven't come out with a claim that's believable besides that you have a power role. Facts are better than speculation any day.
Let's say for the moment that this speculation of the scum being able to recruit still is, in fact, true. If you do have a power role, like you claim, are you not just as likely now to be recruited as I am? Or you could be roleblocked by the Watchman (If he's out there, which I think he is) and be a useless townie.
wicked wrote: you guys are assuming everything is the exact same as last time, when Aim pretty much came out and said it wouldn't be. I'm not assuming it's the same at all.
Then what's with the assuming that specific survivor roles do the same thing when recruited?
*brain frazzles*
Well when pancake and I die for purely being 'potential recruits', then it only makes sense that you guys kill Xen and Wicked tomorrow to cover your bases.
Ahhh I hadn't seen that, no no we need to lynch Xen today definitely. If you guys don't want me to hammer you, you should denounce him
Anyway, scum being able to recruit any roles and not only survivors is an interesting idea, assuming it works differently than last game. Anyway, we won't know till we get more BBQ.
wicked wrote:
oh wait, so we're back to there being a recruiter now? you guys seem to argue both for and against it, whichever helps your case at that particular time.
I'm only arguing it because the whole basis of me being lynched is because of me possibly being recruited. What's not to get?
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wicked wrote:ok, so if recruited, I will just use my power for evil? in that case, if there's a role that'll stop recruiting, go ahead and use it on me tonight... as long as death isn't the only way to stop being recruited! in that case, no thanks!
oh wait, so we're back to there being a recruiter now? you guys seem to argue both for and against it, whichever helps your case at that particular time.
Ohh, you were recruited after all. I'm glad I denounced you
wicked wrote:
oh wait, so we're back to there being a recruiter now? you guys seem to argue both for and against it, whichever helps your case at that particular time.
I'm only arguing it because the whole basis of me being lynched is because of me possibly being recruited. What's not to get?
no, it's b/c if you're recruited, you become a butcher, which does NOT sound good to me!
wicked wrote: you guys are assuming everything is the exact same as last time, when Aim pretty much came out and said it wouldn't be. I'm not assuming it's the same at all.
Then what's with the assuming that specific survivor roles do the same thing when recruited?
*brain frazzles*
Well when pancake and I die for purely being 'potential recruits', then it only makes sense that you guys kill Xen and Wicked tomorrow to cover your bases.
Ahhh I hadn't seen that, no no we need to lynch Xen today definitely. If you guys don't want me to hammer you, you should denounce him
Anyway, scum being able to recruit any roles and not only survivors is an interesting idea, assuming it works differently than last game. Anyway, we won't know till we get more BBQ.
Uhhh generally recruiters can recruit anyone except other scum(in which case they die), unless it has been specifically changed for this game.
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wicked wrote:
oh wait, so we're back to there being a recruiter now? you guys seem to argue both for and against it, whichever helps your case at that particular time.
I'm only arguing it because the whole basis of me being lynched is because of me possibly being recruited. What's not to get?
no, it's b/c if you're recruited, you become a butcher, which does NOT sound good to me!
You seemed to of missed what I'm saying.
Now if there is not a recruiter, then me being a butcher doesn't matter at all. I have to argue as if there is a recruiter though because it's the *only* reason people are coming after me.
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wicked wrote:oh wait, so we're back to there being a recruiter now? you guys seem to argue both for and against it, whichever helps your case at that particular time.
No, that's in the case of a Night 1 Recruitment, because you're just as likely to have been recruited on Night 1 as anyone else. Nice skimming.
Oh, wait. I'm more likely to have been recruited on Night 1 than you because I claim a recruitable role on Day 2, after the cult leader was dead. It all makes sense now!
Skoffin wrote: You seemed to of missed what I'm saying.
Now if there is not a recruiter, then me being a butcher doesn't matter at all. I have to argue as if there is a recruiter though because it's the *only* reason people are coming after me.
No, I know what you were saying and it makes sense. It also makes sense we're scared of you being a butcher!!!
It was for the previous Inquisition. Basically only the survivor roles could be recruited by scum. The problem is that there were too few survivor roles and scum failed to recruit several times if I recall well. Since in this game the number of survivors seem to have raised (at least I recall reading something like that) I'd think it works the same way.
Wicked, that was referring what you said about "unrecruiting", it didn't make much sense to me either way
ok I'm too tired for this and I won't be on tomorrow until late late late maybe. I'll try to check in to make sure you guys haven't done anything silly.
Skoffin wrote: You seemed to of missed what I'm saying.
Now if there is not a recruiter, then me being a butcher doesn't matter at all. I have to argue as if there is a recruiter though because it's the *only* reason people are coming after me.
No, I know what you were saying and it makes sense. It also makes sense we're scared of you being a butcher!!!
'In the event of' there still being a recruiter, we're far more likely to actually snag a scum if we took people down based on events before the recruiter died, we have better odds then. So why go for TWO people based on events after? Hell it'd even be better to pick one person from each instead of going one sided.
And a question for you: How is pointing out that you have a significant town role better then openly claiming what you are? 1. Scujm would still see you as a threat, and 2. Since you won't tell us what you have it makes you useless.
Basically if you're telling the truth you're putting yourself at risk without even helping us.
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wicked wrote:I honestly didn't think about being recruited by the other side. I just saw an opportunity to out you as likely scum and took it.
wicked wrote: Should've thought of that before you told the world your role.
hmm.,... didn't see where I told people my actual role like you did.
The point is you put it out for everyone to see that you have a power role and could be recruited.
Of course, that's just hypothetical. There may or may not be any recruiters left, but that's your basis for trying to get me lynched. You've dug your own grave.
I know I'm not scum, and I doubt pancake is. I think either Xen or Wicked could be though, so why not just lynch all four of us? Instead of 'waiting for tomorrow', saves times really.
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and furthermore pancake, you claimed for NO REASON WHATSOEVER! It's quite easy to say, "well in the last game so&so turned into this" instead of "in this game i'm the little girl roleblocker!" I gave a little info into my role just to explain why you're scum.
there was NO reason for you to claim... surely you've moved beyond noob status at this point?!?
Thank you PCM and Skoffin. Now, the thought crossing my mind is that I should hammer you both because I'm a mean bastard. But I might be lacking sleep, so bye for now
wicked wrote:and furthermore pancake, you claimed for NO REASON WHATSOEVER! It's quite easy to say, "well in the last game so&so turned into this" instead of "in this game i'm the little girl roleblocker!" I gave a little info into my role just to explain why you're scum.
there was NO reason for you to claim... surely you've moved beyond noob status at this point?!?
I wanted people to know that I wasn't making crap up. WHY WOULD I PUT THAT OUT THERE IF I WAS SCUM!?!
Now, can we lynch you yet or can we see a feeble attempt to defend yourself against your own logic? There's no reason to resort to name calling.
wicked wrote:I honestly didn't think about being recruited by the other side. I just saw an opportunity to out you as likely scum and took it.
wicked wrote: Should've thought of that before you told the world your role.
hmm.,... didn't see where I told people my actual role like you did.
The point is you put it out for everyone to see that you have a power role and could be recruited.
Of course, that's just hypothetical. There may or may not be any recruiters left, but that's your basis for trying to get me lynched. You've dug your own grave.
I'm wondering if any of these guys actually do think it's highly likely there's a recruiter left, or if it's more just a case of 'oh no butchers and little girls could be dangerous on the offchance they're recruited!'
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