Re-Inquisition Mafia - Heretics win!

[pancakemix]

pancake, you're getting lynched today, not me, but nice try.

You'll still get lynched. Because you're wrong. And not even putting up a fight.

[wicked]

and furthermore pancake, you claimed for NO REASON WHATSOEVER! It's quite easy to say, "well in the last game so&so turned into this" instead of "in this game i'm the little girl roleblocker!" I gave a little info into my role just to explain why you're scum.

there was NO reason for you to claim... surely you've moved beyond noob status at this point?!?

I wanted people to know that I wasn't making crap up. WHY WOULD I PUT THAT OUT THERE IF I WAS SCUM!?!

oh puhlease! you can point to the other game to show you weren't making it up, it's been done enough this game. there was no reason for you to claim.

[pancakemix]

and furthermore pancake, you claimed for NO REASON WHATSOEVER! It's quite easy to say, "well in the last game so&so turned into this" instead of "in this game i'm the little girl roleblocker!" I gave a little info into my role just to explain why you're scum.

there was NO reason for you to claim... surely you've moved beyond noob status at this point?!?

I wanted people to know that I wasn't making crap up. WHY WOULD I PUT THAT OUT THERE IF I WAS SCUM!?!

oh puhlease! you can point to the other game to show you weren't making it up, it's been done enough this game. there was no reason for you to claim.

Funny how you cut out the more important half of the post...

[wicked]

pancake, you're getting lynched today, not me, but nice try.

You'll still get lynched. Because you're wrong. And not even putting up a fight.

I see no reason to "put up a fight", b/c I don't feel in danger of being lynched. I'm the one who brought this "heat" on me, so why would I care when it got a little hot? I'm not worried. In fact, I'm going to bed. Night.

[pancakemix]

pancake, you're getting lynched today, not me, but nice try.

You'll still get lynched. Because you're wrong. And not even putting up a fight.

I see no reason to "put up a fight", b/c I don't feel in danger of being lynched. I'm the one who brought this "heat" on me, so why would I care when it got a little hot? I'm not worried. In fact, I'm going to bed. Night.

I'm not worried either. Anyone who reads this argument should be thoroughly convinced of your scumminess, and unless XenCobra OMGUS votes (Which, BTW, would cement your lynch Xen, just thought you'd like to know.) I feel very safe, even though I am at lynch -1.

[Skoffin]

Well even if we do happen to die, hopefully they will see sense and knock those two out tomorrow.

[mandalorian2298]

yes, please go do read that page Mandy linked, as it shows I didn't claim "not to get" anything. thanks for proving my point.

No, you claimed not to get anything before that:

I'm not getting the rhyming. Are the only rhymers in the Robin Hood stories on the merry men side?

Page 20 something.

All over page 37, about 4-5 questions for Nag.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... &start=540
game over, I was town.
Can we finally end this?

Yes and look how smart you were. You made the previous Night (in that game) alive with your deduction!

Too bad that being scum messes with your brain and makes you not get stuff. It must be horrible for you.

Denounce Xen.

I know I'm not scum, and I doubt pancake is. I think either Xen or Wicked could be though, so why not just lynch all four of us? Instead of 'waiting for tomorrow', saves times really.

I love that idea. That's how we won the last time. denounce Xen Cobra. I suggest that nobody hammers Skoffin today, just so that she can win if her strategy bears fruit. Tommorow, should there be tommorow, we can lynch her for precaution. This way, we make it harder for the scum recruitor to choose her night action.

[Neutrino]

Hm. with the lack of anything else to go on, denounce neutrino/autoload, pancakemix and skoffin

Care to explain your logic? If I'm going to be voted for, I would at least like to know why.

[nagerous]

Ok well work has calmed down for now and I have been online reading the game from front to back trying to figure out what is going on.

I have a hunch that ga7 is mafia

First off looking back at day one he was against a vote on n8 although he kept saying "I do see how he looks scummy" Kos was doing the same thing. Seems to me like they were trying to avoid loosing a member early but try not to be to obvious about it.

Second ga7 voted for Kos after Kos started saying that he was going to die anyways because of the cough that he got from LSU. If ga7 thought that Kos was going to die anyways this would present a good opportunity to look clean by voting for someone he knew would be confirmed as mafia.

Thirdly ga7 has been after me quite a bit during this game even when I was confirming info from willis. I think he thinks I am an easy target because of my low posting.
And on day one he was pushing for a lynch of me instead of n8 who was later found to be mafia.

Anyways these are my suspicions and I am going to conclude them with a
denounce of ga7

you guys are assuming everything is the exact same as last time, when Aim pretty much came out and said it wouldn't be. I'm not assuming it's the same at all.

Then what's with the assuming that specific survivor roles do the same thing when recruited?

*brain frazzles*

Well when pancake and I die for purely being 'potential recruits', then it only makes sense that you guys kill Xen and Wicked tomorrow to cover your bases.

Ahhh I hadn't seen that, no no we need to lynch Xen today definitely. If you guys don't want me to hammer you, you should denounce him

Anyway, scum being able to recruit any roles and not only survivors is an interesting idea, assuming it works differently than last game. Anyway, we won't know till we get more BBQ.

I've yet to vote and I've deliberated a lot as to who is really scummy in this game and I have come to the conclusion to denounce ga7 I've personally found the argument to denounce pancake and skoffin weak yet I've found the argument to denounce xencobra and wicked even weaker. This is frankly because both of these arguments are purely based on who is likely to be the most possible recruit into a scum group and not associated with looking for actual scum tells within the game. Now the reasons I've denounced ga are mainly based on the same argument moz has developed which is in my view the strongest argument yet. This opinion is enhanced by the second quote from the man ga7 himself. Here, this is what I call playing an argument. He is trying to use the argument between pancake and wicked to bring more denunciations to the table and somehow has brought xencobra into the equation also. This I find uber-scummy. Thats my two cents on all thats happened

[ga7]

Well as you could see with the 6 votes on both Skoffin and PCM, the consensus reached is that we must lynch the potential recruits. Why? Because the scum remaining is amongst them!
It started to bug me that people were so focused on them that they forgot about XC. I had no reaction to my case on him either. So yes, I totally fished for votes on him, because that's how we can win this, by lynching all the people that either Koesen or the possible next recruiter recruited.
Now, you say the second argument on PCM & Skoffin stronger than the previous one. I say BS, because you see, we know that Koesen was there. We know there was no kills Night 1. We know someone was recruited that night. What we don't know is if that recruit stepped up to be a second recruiter. What I'm trying to do here, is to close all possibilities for a scum to survive and to bring forth a town win. I'm convinced this plan will work.

[Syzygy]

Here's my case on XC. As you all know, he claimed "Normal Townie" at the end of Day 1. Here's what happened day 2:

Bugger, I was just beginning to believe I might escape LSU's cough of doom. Well, at least I took him down with me and had you all fooled with my roleclaim

First of all, because it brings insight on the rest, this was Koesie right after his day kill. Now let's rewind a bit...

I'm willing to participate in another lynch, since we're almost garantueed to have caught scum with the first one. But who?

I already denounced Jake for drawing attention away from LSU. He may be scum, or he may just be thick.

I think ga7 was slow to catch on to LSU, but not necessarily suspiciously so. For now, he is not high on my list.

Wicked's suggestion for a replacement instead of a modkill doesn't look particularly scummy to me.

I still have a fos on Exile for his unwavering defense of LSU. He and Jake are my Top Two now.

Talapus? I don't know. I don't really see it.

Fircoal, I expect to be modkilled. No need for a lynch.

Mos really needs to shpw up and say something useful. Regardless of what he is, his contributions to this game amount to zero.nothingmuch. I guess he's my number three.

Everybody else... I have no particular impression of you

Of those two, I find Moz most suspicious. After a slow start, Xen is definitely outposting him by a mile and his posts tend to have more content too.

Of course, it's hard to get something out of the first post as he did it not long after LSU's lynch; the second, however, was pretty close to his own death.

Then, on the impulse of Kwan, XC is put on the grill for his claim :

I said normal to let everyone know, I don't have a power role. That I'm a plain and old boring townie.

are you a survivor then? or just a normal townie?

I am a survivor yes. I didn't it since, I never knew that everyone eles was that. And I saw claiming survivor proved as a disadvantage since, I'm not on any side, and would be an easy lynch that wouldn't hurt the game.

There is no detriment to claiming survivor in this mafia game. Most vanillas are survivors. I remember someone said aimless made it that way to even the odds since the town has multiple lynches.

Also, it seemed like you slipped up here. I said it before: TOWNIES HAVE NO REASON TO LIE! It seems to me that you fake claimed vanilla and now that everyone is accusing you because of the whole survivor thing you change it up.

I never knew most vanillas are survivors, and I must of missed that post that says that. I said why, I claimed townie and not a survivor.

So could Willis, Talapus, Skoffin, Auto, etc. Anyone of them could of been a good recruit, not just me.

I didn't really agree with Kwan there, but this defense was obviously a pretty weak after-the-fact catchup; then he simply did his best trying to throw the heat to other people.

In short, I see the usefulness of a PCM & Skoffin lynch, to cover the hypothesis that the cult scum still has recruiting powers. However, there is absolutely no reason to let XC pass yet again through the net, as he deserves it even more for his previous actions IMO.

This argument has convinced me to denounce: XenCobra.

The slip up in regards to normal townie vs survivor townie looks like just that - a scummy slip up.

I'm reading the rest of the thread in the meantime and will post something more now.

[ga7]

Unofficial Denunciation Count

• XenCobra (5) - ga7, pancakemix, Skoffin, mandalorian, Syzygy
• wicked (4) - ga7, mandalorian, pancakemix, Skoffin
• pancakemix (6) - wicked, mandalorian, Syzygy, Neutrino, The1exile, willis
• Skoffin (6) - mandalorian, wicked, Syzygy, Neutrino, The1exile, willis
• moz (2) - XenCobra, wicked
• Talapus (1) - wicked
• Neutrino (1) - The1exile
• ga7 (2) - moz, nagerous
• Yet to Denounce (1) - Talapus

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

The deadline for Day 3 is at Midnight, US EDT, Thursday, August 16th.

[Syzygy]

I honestly didn't think about being recruited by the other side. I just saw an opportunity to out you as likely scum and took it.

Should've thought of that before you told the world your role.

hmm.,... didn't see where I told people my actual role like you did.

Nonetheless, you are contradicting yourself.

[Talapus]

Wow.... , There are an awful lot of arguements going on right now! So, sorry I've been away, I'm moving to Vegas tomorrow and have been slammed with packing and cleaning. Anyway, Time to denounce!

PCM and skoffin, I understand the arguement against you both, but I don't buy it. It's weak at best and quite honestly not our best option at the moment.

wicked and ga7 are pushing the arguement on PCM and skofin very hard. But for all the supposed "evidence" I'm less then convinced. I understand you want to get rid of a possible recruit, but it really just sounds like you both want to lynch the rest of the self proclaimed townies. At this point in the game, not the best idea.

So, here it goes:

Denounce ga7, Denounce wicked for reason stated above.

Denounce moz...you could very well be absent scum, I just can't tell at this point. I'm busy too, but from your arguements, I don't know what to think of you.

Denounce XenCobra - How you ever suvived through yesterday is beyond me. We've all been through the arguement with you and now we need to know.

Denounce Autoload - I've not trusted you from day one and you by far have the least amount of activity in this thread. You're hiding something. Also, the fact that wicked is pushing a weak arguement against PCM so hard and rarely if ever mentions your name makes me even for suspicious.

[Talapus]

Neutrino, I know you're trying with the role that you're filling in for Auto. But I didn't trust him before you ever came on board. However, if you'd care to convince me otherwise at this point you are more then welcome too. Any arguement would be more then what I've heard from him...

[wicked]

guys I presented a clear cut case against pancake, complete with several slipups. I can't believe no one's dropped the hammer yet.

[willis]

I'm not going to even defend my self for a 3rd day.

I saw this while reading back. Why would someone not want to defend themselves after doing it poorly the first 2 days.

So I will Denounce XC

[Skoffin]

I believe xen has just been hammered...

guys I presented a clear cut case against pancake, complete with several slipups. I can't believe no one's dropped the hammer yet.

There are many words that could be used for yesterday's argument, 'clear' is not one of them.
Guys you can hammer me, you could hammer pancake, just hammer those two at the same time while you're at.

[ga7]

Well as you want out I'll hammer you. I'll leave it to someone else's opinion to hammer or not PCM. It's funny to read that I pushed so much for the argument against you both when I didn't even vote you and kept supporting the XC lynch instead
Denounce Skoffin

[Syzygy]

guys I presented a clear cut case against pancake, complete with several slipups. I can't believe no one's dropped the hammer yet.

That is not true. The argument is flimsy at best, though your 'lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong' does help.

Anyway, again. It has been speculated that wicked could be a recruiter, roleblocker please roleblock Wicked for some extra sexurity.

[Syzygy]

EBWOP: I meant security. Sorry.

[wicked]

guys I presented a clear cut case against pancake, complete with several slipups. I can't believe no one's dropped the hammer yet.

That is not true. The argument is flimsy at best, though your 'lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong' does help.

Anyway, again. It has been speculated that wicked could be a recruiter, roleblocker please roleblock Wicked for some extra sexurity.

heh heh sexcurity

anyway, flimsy? I don't think so. but here's a way to prove it. lynch pancake today. I doubt I'll be blocked tonight when he shows up as the scum roleblocker. I don't care at this point if I'm blocked tonight, but I'd like to ask the doc's protection as well. If it is that combo role, fine. if there's another role that wants to "check me out" tonight, go for it.

even if you don't think he was recruited day 1....
1. he freely gave out his role name, then pushed me for mine - no townie would be so forthcoming with this info and want others to be also
2. he was "100% sure" of the game setup on day 1 (or was it 2?)
3. he made a couple slip-ups, the one that stands out the most is when he pleaded with the town not to hammer him... if he was town, he'd be worried about scum hammering him, not town.... how did he know if scum already voted him?

[wicked]

speculated I'm a recruiter? ok missed that one. but here's why that doesn't make sense at all for me being a recruiter, or scum... if I was, why would I want pancake and skoffin lynched today for our security? If I was a scum recruiter, or just plain scum, I'd want to recruit those roles, not lynch them.

[mandalorian2298]

speculated I'm a recruiter? ok missed that one. but here's why that doesn't make sense at all for me being a recruiter, or scum... if I was, why would I want pancake and skoffin lynched today for our security? If I was a scum recruiter, or just plain scum, I'd want to recruit those roles, not lynch them.

But, if you lynch both of them and recruit a third guy, your profit will be maximized.

[Neutrino]

speculated I'm a recruiter? ok missed that one. but here's why that doesn't make sense at all for me being a recruiter, or scum... if I was, why would I want pancake and skoffin lynched today for our security? If I was a scum recruiter, or just plain scum, I'd want to recruit those roles, not lynch them.

But, if you lynch both of them and recruit a third guy, your profit will be maximized.

Hmmm?

Wouldn't it be better to recriut them and lynch someone else? No-one else has given any hints as to their recriutability, so it would be wisest to recruit those who will give power roles and lynch those that don't, not the other way around.