Civil War Day 7. UNION WINS!!!!! Thanks 2 ALL 4 PLAYING

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:54 pm

i think the townies must be recruitable or as someone said choose a side. it would be stupid otherwise

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:56 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Sorry all, but I still think Goop is not to be trusted...

Kill: MGoop

fortuantly for you he died last night then eh....

Read the game much?

just messin bud.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:24 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:Sorry all, but I still think Goop is not to be trusted...

Kill: MGoop

fortuantly for you he died last night then eh....

Read the game much?

just messin bud.

Apparently, I have just shown myself to be a dumbass...

Sorry, I'm at work and I'm trying to participate and not get busted...

*grin*

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:25 pm

firth4eva wrote:not wasting a bullet on you nark but are you stupid or blind?
you gonna shoot his corpse?

Both... And I wouldn't mind shooting his corpse.

spurgistan · Post by **spurgistan** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:29 pm

Unless there's only one native, I feel like we can safely assume they're not all SK's, now, seeing as 1/2 of us aren't dead. Could they simply be a third faction figting for control, same as North and South?

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:37 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Mandy 2.0 will be rejoining the game.
Who's he replacing exactly?
maybe hes just reviving him lol.

Well, due technical difficulties, I haven't recieved my role, yet. This being said, there is only one logical course for me to follow: vote Fircoal.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:37 pm

spurgistan wrote:Unless there's only one native, I feel like we can safely assume they're not all SK's, now, seeing as 1/2 of us aren't dead. Could they simply be a third faction figting for control, same as North and South?

i really feel like it would make the most sense in the context of the game for them to be a recruitable side....somewhat more unlikely that they could be fighting for control....however without further information that may come later in the game, we are more speculating.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:38 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Mandy 2.0 will be rejoining the game.
Who's he replacing exactly?
maybe hes just reviving him lol.
Well, due technical difficulties, I haven't recieved my role, yet. This being said, there is only one logical course for me to follow: vote Fircoal.

due to greater technical issues mando has forgotten the voting semantics of this game...

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:56 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
spurgistan wrote:Unless there's only one native, I feel like we can safely assume they're not all SK's, now, seeing as 1/2 of us aren't dead. Could they simply be a third faction figting for control, same as North and South?
i really feel like it would make the most sense in the context of the game for them to be a recruitable side....somewhat more unlikely that they could be fighting for control....however without further information that may come later in the game, we are more speculating.

But townies and natives are a different faction altogether. There was some pondering on day 1 about the fact there is 4 factions total, one being Europe. Now it seems clear that there is a townie faction, either recruitable or having to choose a side (or stay as they are and look like sitting ducks), and also one or several Natives, one being a SK. I can't say I know much about the civil war, but a lonely native doesn't seem to fit well, hence my thinking about it being a whole faction, albeit in reduced numbers compared to our armies of course.

spurgistan · Post by **spurgistan** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:27 pm

Yeah, if you think about this in a historical perspective..

Natives were NOT fighting for either side (at least, not in any significant numbers) in the American Civil War. Both the North and South were completly numb to the plight of the Natives expelled from their ancestral lands, and had the same designs for kicking the Indians off the land they had already been removed to. Therefore, Natives had little to gain from any sort of alliance of convenience with the North or South, and they did not represent any sort of deciding factor in the war, unlike what would have happened if England or France had come in on the side of the Confederacy, which I remember England considered doing until the tide turned against the Confederates (England would have benefited from an independent South, as the raw materials produced by the South would have enriched Engllsh factories)
So, I'm guessing Natives are survivors, with a SK, while the Europeans can be recruited into the North or South.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:13 pm

Has Willis posted at ALL?

gimpyThewonder · Post by **gimpyThewonder** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:15 pm

i still don't have a home connection to catch up on this game, if you want to replace me go ahead since i can't promise when i'm going to get my ducks in a row

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:18 pm

Agreed with Spurgistan here. The possibility of native americans being able to be recruited would demonstrate a lack of knowledge historically. They were not interested in integrating with either side. Europeans on the other hand were constantly flirting with either side and were close to joining the South at one point except for when they got beat at Antietam and also had moral quams regarding the slavery issue.

dominationnation · Post by **dominationnation** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:22 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Has Willis posted at ALL?

I dont think so. He might of just forgoten about this game though. He should be prodded. I think he would post at least once if he was gonna submare.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:23 pm

willis was rplaced by kalashnikov in another game.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:32 pm

nagerous wrote:Agreed with Spurgistan here. The possibility of native americans being able to be recruited would demonstrate a lack of knowledge historically. They were not interested in integrating with either side. Europeans on the other hand were constantly flirting with either side and were close to joining the South at one point except for when they got beat at Antietam and also had moral quams regarding the slavery issue.

i agree with history you guys present, but i find it really hard to believe that the indian faction is anymore than a cult at best and seems much more likely to be some kind of recruitable side...but i could be wrong.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:33 pm

Well they are killing. I think they are a separate mafia of 3 or 4 people and we should be hunting them.

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:01 pm

i'm dead

it seemed like it would have been a good game

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:17 pm

nagerous wrote:Well they are killing. I think they are a separate mafia of 3 or 4 people and we should be hunting them.

it certainly is possible....though id almost have to wonder in a game of this size if it isnt just as likely that either a union shooter guessed wrong or that there was one of the other groups making a kill.

jnd94 · Post by **jnd94** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:46 pm

Im assuming there are many killing roles, and maybe a roleblocker got lucky this night.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:55 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
nagerous wrote:Agreed with Spurgistan here. The possibility of native americans being able to be recruited would demonstrate a lack of knowledge historically. They were not interested in integrating with either side. Europeans on the other hand were constantly flirting with either side and were close to joining the South at one point except for when they got beat at Antietam and also had moral quams regarding the slavery issue.
i agree with history you guys present, but i find it really hard to believe that the indian faction is anymore than a cult at best and seems much more likely to be some kind of recruitable side...but i could be wrong.

I also argee with the history but I think the indians can kill. I may be reading too much into the death scene, but it's likely that they killed Mandy. (And should kill Mandy 2.0

)

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:10 pm

Fircoal wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
nagerous wrote:Agreed with Spurgistan here. The possibility of native americans being able to be recruited would demonstrate a lack of knowledge historically. They were not interested in integrating with either side. Europeans on the other hand were constantly flirting with either side and were close to joining the South at one point except for when they got beat at Antietam and also had moral quams regarding the slavery issue.
i agree with history you guys present, but i find it really hard to believe that the indian faction is anymore than a cult at best and seems much more likely to be some kind of recruitable side...but i could be wrong.
I also argee with the history but I think the indians can kill. I may be reading too much into the death scene, but it's likely that they killed Mandy. (And should kill Mandy 2.0 )

Firstly, thinking that anybody did any killing outside of the Uion Jacks or the Confederacy is fallacious.

Assuming that any other faction had anything to do with it could lead to trouble down the road. Who is to say that the soldiers weren't killed by bullets from their own side? Or from bullets from the opposing side?

None of us know who else is on our side. It is easy for people to use past games to help guide their actions through this one.

Not to mention, there are the exact same roles for both the North and the South. So, we know that for whoever gets killed on one side, the other side had that same role.

Any outsiders are acting out, but I don't see how they would have any knowledge about which side is which, or who is on what side.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:11 pm

Oh, and again... We are Native Americans- meaning my real heritage..

Indians are from India.

gimpyThewonder · Post by **gimpyThewonder** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:15 pm

ok, i'm all better. I'll try and get the 30 pages read later today

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:22 pm

ga7 wrote:
Neutrino wrote:
Serbia wrote:tough to get any leads from this, and the Union and Confederacy seem to be randomly shooting each other right now. Interesting that Anark lived on after claiming though.
I assume there was a doctor involved somewhere. A role-claim that obvious would have attracted a lot of nightactions.
Why? Did you target him?
Don't you think 3 kills is already a fair bit and seems right for 3 factions? Except if there's a PGO involved, I don't really see a doc involvement there.

What makes you think all factions get one nightkill apeice? If only 3 kills take place every night, then it's going to take quite a while to kill everyone off. And what happens when the killer for that faction dies? They would have no means to strike back (outside of voting, of course) and would probably be taken down pretty quickly. Of course, there could be a system whereby when the killer dies, they are replaced by a formerly powerless role. It would certainly stop the 'all the eggs in one basket' scenario.