New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

[got tonkaed]

i mean it does make some sense....but at the same time if it does turn out hes the cop, thats kinda a high price to pay,

but at the same time if he was the cop...in a game this big who knows if that was a smart or dumb thing to do, dumb because hed get killed, maybe smart cause he probably would have been killed without a doc protect tonight anyway....

ak is often serious business for scum in these mafia games.

[Minister Masket]

for what its worth...and this is spam i suppose, i cant believe no one voted for wicked on the sheer principle that she has a dark side icon in a star wars mafia game.

I used the Force, does that count?
Anyway...UNVOTE
Aegnor is no longer random.
My next target is .... Aimless!

VOTE AIMLESS because...he's there!

[freezie]

Well, along of what Mandy said about the fake claims..

Vote: Exile

[ga7]

Would you people stop making 3 pages of interesting points before I have a chance to reread?
A quick thing about Exile, I certainly don't remember any mention of fake claims. Worth checking...

[AK_iceman]

AK you may have tried to attempt a bit of a crazy strategy for the good side, but I think the bottom line is that you are connected to wicked, Moz, and exile with many players having stated an opinion on you one way or the other. Whether you are Han Solo or not, on the good side, independent or whatever....I think we can simply learn the most information by your death. More information, less confusion.

my vote stands.

ML, that doesn't really make a lot of sense. You can most assuredly learn more by keeping me alive and letting me investigate players. Killing the cop on Day 1 won't help you. Moz, exile... I am not 100% sure they are scum. But they're a better bet than me at this point.

[AK_iceman]

for what its worth...and this is spam i suppose, i cant believe no one voted for wicked on the sheer principle that she has a dark side icon in a star wars mafia game.

I used the Force, does that count?
Anyway...UNVOTE
Aegnor is no longer random.
My next target is .... Aimless!

VOTE AIMLESS because...he's there!

Cut the crap MM, we're well past the random vote stage. Start playing the game please, and not just posting to post.

[Minister Masket]

for what its worth...and this is spam i suppose, i cant believe no one voted for wicked on the sheer principle that she has a dark side icon in a star wars mafia game.

I used the Force, does that count?
Anyway...UNVOTE
Aegnor is no longer random.
My next target is .... Aimless!

VOTE AIMLESS because...he's there!

Cut the crap MM, we're well past the random vote stage. Start playing the game please, and not just posting to post.

It's difficult when everytime I log on, 20 pages of confusing logic have been added. As such, I'm having trouble deciding who to side with.
My choice is...no-one. I'm making my own case, I always do. It saves much useless braining.

[moz976]

ML, that doesn't really make a lot of sense. You can most assuredly learn more by keeping me alive and letting me investigate players. Killing the cop on Day 1 won't help you. Moz, exile... I am not 100% sure they are scum. But they're a better bet than me at this point.

That is only the case if we believe your claim of cop. I for one do not. First you lied to the town and claimed to have information that was false and then when that backfired on you, you came up with the cop claim.
Then when claimed Han Solo I knew you were again lying and misleading the town.

You have lied to the town AK and your lynch will prove my insights to be true.

[AK_iceman]

ML, that doesn't really make a lot of sense. You can most assuredly learn more by keeping me alive and letting me investigate players. Killing the cop on Day 1 won't help you. Moz, exile... I am not 100% sure they are scum. But they're a better bet than me at this point.

That is only the case if we believe your claim of cop. I for one do not. First you lied to the town and claimed to have information that was false and then when that backfired on you, you came up with the cop claim.
Then when claimed Han Solo I knew you were again lying and misleading the town.

You have lied to the town AK and your lynch will prove my insights to be true.

Moz, I think I already explained why I faked a claim/investigation. It was never meant to kill wicked, or reveal any pro-town roles. The plan backfired a little, but that doesn't mean it didn't work.
And the reason I claimed cop is because I thought you had dropped the hammer on me. Mandy would have announced it anyway, so why not tell you in advance so you can discuss your options for the night and the following day?

Anyway, I think the majority of players will agree that killing a cop is bad for the town. But yet again you surprise me with your logic.

[The1exile]

where did you come up with bounty hunters=serial killers and lynchers?

I was thinking...one of the possibilities is that AK is a lyncher. Perhaps in the realm of star wars a lyncher could be the equivalent of a bounty hunter where the hunter has a specific target. This would make sense. Maybe AK saw that wicked was in question and his roleclaim would be enough to get her lynched pretty quick. So maybe AK is a bounty hunter (lyncher).

sorry slightly confused, whats the difference between bounty hunter and lyncher?

We're thinking none, bounty hunter merely fits with the Star Wars theme.

[AK_iceman]

Anyway, I'm off for awhile. I might be back in 12 hours after I get home from work. That'll be around 11pm for those of you that don't understand how to figure out Alaska time.

[Anarkistsdream]

for what its worth...and this is spam i suppose, i cant believe no one voted for wicked on the sheer principle that she has a dark side icon in a star wars mafia game.

I used the Force, does that count?
Anyway...UNVOTE
Aegnor is no longer random.
My next target is .... Aimless!

VOTE AIMLESS because...he's there!

Cut the crap MM, we're well past the random vote stage. Start playing the game please, and not just posting to post.

It's difficult when everytime I log on, 20 pages of confusing logic have been added. As such, I'm having trouble deciding who to side with.
My choice is...no-one. I'm making my own case, I always do. It saves much useless braining.

I agree with AK... Stop screwing around.

[The1exile]

exile what say ye?

I don't know. I am 100% sure that mandy put it somewhere (probably when he first posted the fact that he would make name claims somewhere) but if people are really hell bent on it, i'll try and find the post. Just seemed like too much work for too little benefit.

[The1exile]

Hmph. OK, I really can't find the post, though I have a sneaking suspicion it mighyt have been in his original (now deleted) announcement, since it's not in the last yuuzhan vong mafia.

[wicked]

And the reason I claimed cop is because I thought you had dropped the hammer on me. Mandy would have announced it anyway, so why not tell you in advance so you can discuss your options for the night and the following day?

Nah a real cop would've claimed before the hammer was dropped. You were probably hoping there was a mayor type that could save a lynch so fake claimed after the lynch in a last ditch effort to save yourself. And probably hoping someone would counterclaim to out the real cop. Then of course you'd say, well there can be two cops in a game this big. The fact you only roleclaimed after you were dead and took an awful long time while at lynch-1 to produce a name is why I'm leaving my vote where it is.

[ga7]

Sigh... Halfway through. I saw something strange, a question for Exile: are you familiar with this NJO setting?

[The1exile]

Not hugely. A bit of wiki research on the subject, especially after the last mafia. I'm also pretty sure I've had a conversation with mandy on the subject of the books at some point, but my star wars trivia is lacking in many areas. I can still crack bad SW related puns though

[The1exile]

For those that don't know, the last mafia's on this theme we had are hereand here

[kwanton]

ugh I really do hate endless days.....

So now our choices are:

AK: I think this is our best choice. He lied about his role the first time and that's scummy enough. Then again, he claimed a very prominent name. If he isn't the real Han, then will the fake one not counterclaim please. If he lied about his name it's probably a ploy to get another town claim. I don't trust AK at all, but there might turn out to be a better choice amongst the muck.

Moz: A good second choice. He claimed unnecessarily IMO. And the role he claimed even seems a little far-fetched. The thing is, what he did doesn't seem out of the norm for him. He didn't post much in other game(s) I've played with him and it sounds like he doesn't post much in other games that I haven't been in. Considering this, I don't disbelieve he just didn't have the time and skimmed over the vote count and whatnot and thought he had to claim. The fact that he has an odd claim is still there however, so I wouldn't be against lynching him either.

Wicked: She's pretty much cleared by now no? I believe her claim since she seems to know some info only jedi would know and AK did say he lied about his investigation completely. I still wouldn't be against lynching wicked though because......well because it's wicked

Exile: he doesn't really seem extremely scummy to me. I might just be missing something but his slip up isn't condemning IMO. Some people seem dead-bent on lynching him (i.e. AK the liar) and who am I to argue with the rest of the town? i just think there are better choices at this point in the game.


Anyone else hasn't been acting scummy enough to deserve my attention. i'm leaning towards either AK or moz right now but I'm not gonna vote yet. Mostly because I have to leave for class soon. Please someone resolve this I don't like the reading.........

[Koesen]

I've been thinking about it, and I still think AK is the most suspicious one. Let's go over what happened:

1. AK, out of the blue, says he investigated Wicked and got a scum result, 100% garantueed. He then disappears.

2. A bandwagon develops against Wicked, which AK later claims he didn't expect, or at least not to that extent. Yeah right.

3. Wicked offers a convincing roleclaim, and the bandwagon switches to AK. Another thing he says he didn't see coming. Sure. That's only the second most likely thing to happen after an accusation like that.

4. Just before dying, AK promises a big post, then disappears for most of the day.

5. AK confesses to lying about his role and Wicked, saying he wanted to see who jumped on the bandwagon, claiming he didn't expect his 100% garantueed remark would nearly kill either Wicked or himself.

6. AK presents us with a vote count, putting himself at lynch -1.

7. Moz, we all believe, hammers.

8. AK says he's really the cop, and since we all believe he's dead, we all believe he's telling the truth.

9. Oh, looky, AK's votecount was incorrect and he's not dead after all. Immediately the bandwagon dissolves, although the question rises if AK perhaps realized all along he wasn't really dead, and perhaps created the misunderstanding to gain some badly needed credibility. From this point on, people still believe he's the cop, because he somehow hangs on to the credibility gained from his supposed death.

10. More discussion, leading to what amounts to roleclaims from Moz and Nagerous. Now, thanks to AK, four people have essentially claimed, even though Mandy clearly stated this would be bad for town.

So what did we gain from this stunt?

- One self confessed liar
- Four roleclaims
- Dozens of pages of confusion
- One vague lead againt Exile, whose main crime seems to be that he isn't a jedi.

And what will we get tomorrow?

I bet there will be another post from AK, saying he investigated Soandso and he turned out scum! Really! No, honestly, no lies this time around!

Sound farfetched? Perhaps, but would anybody have believed it if you had been told AK would pull a stunt like this on Day One and live this long?

I'm not sure just what AK is, but I am sure what he's not, and that's credible. It might be a mistake, but I just don't find myself willing to lynch anybody on his say so.

[nagerous]

I would highly reccomend now that we do not lynch Iceman today. If we do lynch him and hes not lied then there is the potential for disaster for the town, exemplified by something that else is happening. Come day two we'll know a lot more about whether Iceman is lying or not. Please have faith in this plan of mine.

[Anarkistsdream]

I would highly reccomend now that we do not lynch Iceman today. If we do lynch him and hes not lied then there is the potential for disaster for the town, exemplified by something that else is happening. Come day two we'll know a lot more about whether Iceman is lying or not. Please have faith in this plan of mine.

But if he's NOT scum, then wouldn't they kill him soon enough anyway, due to his powers?

[Selin]

AK you may have tried to attempt a bit of a crazy strategy for the good side, but I think the bottom line is that you are connected to wicked, Moz, and exile with many players having stated an opinion on you one way or the other. Whether you are Han Solo or not, on the good side, independent or whatever....I think we can simply learn the most information by your death. More information, less confusion.

my vote stands.

ML, that doesn't really make a lot of sense. You can most assuredly learn more by keeping me alive and letting me investigate players. Killing the cop on Day 1 won't help you. Moz, exile... I am not 100% sure they are scum. But they're a better bet than me at this point.

The more i read your posts the more i believe that you are lying. Either was it a very bad strategy from the beginning on (which I believe less considering your experience in mafia games), or you have been lying all/most of the time. And I agree with MM, lynching you will reveal the most information to us. Based on the info we will get we can make most conclusions about other players like moz ( i assume he is saying the truth), wicked ( i'm pretty sure she is what she claimed) and exile (as i posted before he is most probable mafia). And with a much smaller probability, if you are really a cop, you deserved to be lynched with that kind of play.

For mandy: I posted my corrected vote for AK_iceman before, but saw you didn't count it, so again

Unvote
Vote: AK_iceman

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[nagerous]

I would highly reccomend now that we do not lynch Iceman today. If we do lynch him and hes not lied then there is the potential for disaster for the town, exemplified by something that else is happening. Come day two we'll know a lot more about whether Iceman is lying or not. Please have faith in this plan of mine.

But if he's NOT scum, then wouldn't they kill him soon enough anyway, due to his powers?

heard of doc protection?

[nagerous]

Also, if the mafia lose the duel I read that they will lost their night kill and therefore he will be safe for that night at least. Then the record can be set straight on day two. Lynching him day one is just playing with fire when there could be un-necessary risk, which I guarantee would be to the detriment of the town.