Civil War Day 7. UNION WINS!!!!! Thanks 2 ALL 4 PLAYING

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:59 am

damn it. oh well gg . i will replace if needed

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:10 am

Neutrino wrote:That's a lot of nightkills

Ga7, I'm not really buying your argument. I didn't really notice any more anti-Native sentiment coming from nagerous than from your former body. this is just coming from what I recall of the last few days so I'll re-read soon and check if nagerous was being more anti-Native than your now scalpless corpse.
If he were a native SK, don't you think he'd be a little less vehement in his insistence that all Natives should be hunted down? If you're playing that role, you don't want to be too convincing, or you might succeed.

Now, don't get me wrong here, I'm as anti-Native as the next person (who would want a group of SK's running around?) but most certainly there are bigger fish to fry.

Well as far as I recall I was not really vehement against them. If I was I would have actually searched for them

My point is Nag would never be discovered if he was, because he didn't make any slip ups related to not being confed or union.

nagerous wrote:Well your crazy theory is wrong lol. Since firth has already outed me, I'm guessing this is last ditch union attempt to get rid of some confederate officials as the confeds are easily winning the war at the moment.

When did Firth out you? The only hint I saw at you being confed is that you didn't want to vote MM10. But that doesn't mean much as anyone would have wanted to appear confed at this point, and not voting for a claimed confed (even if he was lying) was a pretty good way to do so.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:20 am

firth4eva wrote:and i dont think you are confed. i know you are 100%.

firth was a converter. He obviously tried to convert me and couldn't because he was told I was a confederacy.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:33 am

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Firth4eva aka Harriet Tubman the Union Converter had left the camp in hopes of meeting a contact that would possibly join the Union in their fight against the confederacy. Firth walked into the meeting expecting to walk out with a companion, but instead found themselves one on one with a confederate. With a grin, the Confederate took out their pistol and shot Firth.

This strongly suggests that if a converter tries to convert someone who's already on the other side, he dies.

Which raises the question of how Firth could have been so certain you (Nagerous) are confed.

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:35 am

nagerous wrote:firth was a converter. He obviously tried to convert me and couldn't because he was told I was a confederacy.

The more you try to explain that you are confed, the more I think you're actually third-party.......

FOS nag

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:37 am

Wow that makes me sound bad, if necessary I will claim early so no unions can quickly hammer me if you all suddenly start voting.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:37 am

nagerous wrote:
firth4eva wrote:and i dont think you are confed. i know you are 100%.

firth was a converter. He obviously tried to convert me and couldn't because he was told I was a confederacy.

Koesie has a point, it looks like the converter works as cult leader. I don't think he had a real way to know.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:41 am

10. Day scenes I write will be fun and comical, don’t read too far into them. No clues or game information will be hidden in the text.

here you go. There is no sustenance in the facts in the death scenes. One scene suggested that a priest was reviving NES, which is not what a priest role does. Also, another scene said that tonka and pancakemix killed one another as they were both vigs. That was probably unlikely that they were both so accurate that they shot each other. There is no guarantee that firths role worked that if he tried to recruit confederates he was killed. He was a converter not a recruiting mason.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:45 am

That's not really an argument. It seems obvious that if an union tries to recruit a confed he would get screwed and die. Plus we already had many examples of how the mods end up making that rule wrong *cough*Super mario mafia*cough*

For the vigs I think they either really targeted each other ending in a cross kill or they were also acting as PGOs.
How do you know about the priest's role then?

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:46 am

I still don't buy it, frankly. It wouldn't be the first time someone copied and pasted a standard ruleset and forget to change a few relevant bits, would it, nagerous?

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:47 am

fine I'll claim then if people still think I'm a native

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:52 am

I was thinking about this and since I'm probably a big union target now anyway I'll share the details of my role to prevent confederates being manipulated into their plan and voting me. I am General Braxton Bragg - Confederate deputy.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:54 am

If you read the dayscenes, there is so much information in them, it hardly seems possible they're entirely meaningless.

Each deathscene is written in such a way it gives strong indications of how it happened. Take the numerous references to Native actions (scalping, arrows) versus the white men's bullets. So far, all of us have assumed that really meant the scalping kills etc. were carried out by Natives.

Jake, the Union assassin, was found dead with a photo of Jefferson Davis and the word 'kill'. Meaningless? I don't think so.

Two vigs targetting each other is a bit of a coincidence, but hardly impossible.

All in all, I am very much inclined to take the death scenes seriously enough to assume that if the converter targets someone in the opposite faction, he dies. Which would hardly be an unusual role.

Ergo, I don't know how Firth's converting attempts could have told him you're confed, and therefore I'm not all that sure that you are what you claim to be. In other words, I am beginning to suspect you of having lied.

Which is as good a reason as any to

Kill nagerous

I think you may indeed be one of those Native killers.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:56 am

Well, since you seem to know a lot about the civil war you could have made that up but I won't bother checking as it sounds credible. How many generals were in that damn war anyway

Unvote
Anyone else has a crazy theory while we're at it?

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:57 am

I got fastposted by your roleclaim. I'll think about it for a bit before making my next move.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:58 am

All I can tell you about my guy is he was a complete racist and not that great a general either and not someone I particularly would like to be associated with lol.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:06 am

From Wikipedia:

Bragg had a reputation for being a strict disciplinarian and one who adhered to regulations literally. There is a famous, perhaps apocryphal, story about him as a company commander at a frontier post where he also served as quartermaster. He submitted a requisition for supplies for his company, then as quartermaster declined to fill it. As company commander, he resubmitted the requisition, giving additional reasons for his requirements, but as the quartermaster he denied the request again. Realizing that he was at a personal impasse, he referred the matter to the post commandant, who exclaimed, "My God, Mr. Bragg, you have quarreled with every officer in the army, and now you are quarreling with yourself!"

I think being a racist is probably a bit of a requirement for a Confed general

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:52 am

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:You can send it in during the day or night. If I don't get one at all though, you'll be killed off if you belong to either the confederate or union factions.

LSU, I don't get what you are asking for?

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:58 am

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:72 hours for actions. During the next scene, everyone that has joined a union or confederate side needs to send me a number between 1 and 6 for the night battle. Failure to send in a number will result in a modkill death.

That.

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:59 am

The roles mean nothing. Clouded are your minds, like a musket's shot.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:25 pm

ga7 wrote:
LSU Tiger Josh wrote:72 hours for actions. During the next scene, everyone that has joined a union or confederate side needs to send me a number between 1 and 6 for the night battle. Failure to send in a number will result in a modkill death.
That.

So, then, if we haven't joined a side, but have been on the same side the whole time, then we DON'T need to send in a number, right?

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:32 pm

From what I understood all union and confed members need to send one. Will you need to?

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:11 pm

ga7 wrote:From what I understood all union and confed members need to send one. Will you need to?

You already know... I claimed a LONG time ago.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:00 pm

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Mandy 2.0 aka Major General Joseph Hooker the backup Union converter got up during the night to go take a pee. While he was stumbling in the darkness, an arrow was shot at him and nailed him in the heart killing him instantly.

Whew. Thank God the arrow didn't hit anything vital.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:00 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Mandy 2.0 aka Major General Joseph Hooker the backup Union converter got up during the night to go take a pee. While he was stumbling in the darkness, an arrow was shot at him and nailed him in the heart killing him instantly.
Whew. Thank God the arrow didn't hit anything vital.