About skyt/danbemp/qstupid

[SkyT]

About skyt
Hi all, I am writing this to clarify a few things that have been bothering me ever since I started playing triple freestyle games. I am sorry if my English isn’t perfect because it is not my first language, I will probably do a much better job with Chinese or Russian.


My first point is: skyt, qustpid and danbemp are different accounts that belong to different people. Danbemp joined the site first and introduced the site to his roommate Skyt (me), we both paid for premium sometime around February 2007. (Admin can verify that payment was made from different cards under different names). We started playing standard at first but later on, we found that we would make a good double team. So we started playing double sequential games. As summer approach, danbemp decided to take a break from conquer club and we stopped playing together. Skyt then, found triple games rather appealing, so I started playing a lot of triple sequential. My 2 major partners back then were JR and dupa, which I am sure, most of you are familiar with. When summer vacation started and we moved out of dorms, I started living together with my girlfriend Qstupid, who showed a great interest at the game and decided to join me to play. (Check the payment she made too) While I continue playing triples, I started playing doubles with her. After winning 14 out of 15 triple freestyle games with howielong and ronc8649 as my 2 partners, I realized that playing at the same time in a triple freestyle game have and huge advantage over the other team, so I called my roommate up and convinced him back in the game. Since then, the 3 of us formed a solid triple team and gained about 700 points from all the triple games we played.

My second point is: though we do take turns for each other from time to time, skyt is not the only one who is playing. The most important part of our strategy is to play at the same time. But, if for some reason, one of us cannot play, his/her turn will be taken by another player. We all know each other’s password. About 50% of the time, the 3 of us, meet up in me and danbemp’s room after class, and play our turns. During weekends, however, if I am in the room, I will play only with danbemp, if I am at home with my girlfriend, I will only play with her, and take turn for the other person. And very rarely, (this happened less than 10 times), I will take turns for all 3 people because of the time conflict (exams etc).
Do people like the way we play? Absolutely not. Especially when I gained about 700 points in the past month and became one of the top scorers. (Not top “players” but “scorer” because most people don’t think I am a top player). A lot of you think that the way we win is cheap, which I agree, it is a cheap strategy that works very well. But if you are good enough player, you should not fear this “cheap” strategy. If any of you play starcraft and zeroclutter map, “muta bomb” on main is also considered cheap, but real pro players put 3 high templars an arbitor and a few cannons around the main, 2 storms mutas are gone. Maybe some of you don’t know what I am talking about, but what I am trying to say is that, however good a strategy is, there is always the weak side of it. The weak side of my triple freestyle strategy is very obvious but I am not going to mention it here. One team beat us 3 times in a roll using a good counter strategy and there is nothing we can do about it, danbemp got so mad that he puts them onto the ignore list. (I apologize for that).
As a result of our “cheap” point gain, we drew a lot of jealousy and unwelcomeness in the conquer club community. I wish I gained my points some other way but I cannot change what we did. Whenever I step into the forum and read what people say about me, I feel the unwelcomeness. That’s why I decided:

1. I will not reply to any other posts in the forum anymore apart to this one.
2. I might be slowly quitting the conquer club community, (unintentionally, one morning when I woke up, I found that I only have 2 active games, I ask myself, am I just too lazy to make new games, or do I feel that if I make more games and win more, people will hate me more?” (I only have about 10 games going on right now)
3. I want to say thank you to howielong and blitzaholic for the encouragement you guys give me.
Good luck.
SkyT

[wicked]

Admin can verify that payment was made from different cards under different names

That is correct for all three accounts.

[GreecePwns]

So (if this is correct) it's just frequent account sitting? I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[Fircoal]

what shame. There should be no shame in being good.

[joecoolfrog]

Account babysitting is allowed in order that people dont miss turns. To do it frequently simply to gain an advantage in freestyle games is cheating !

[GreecePwns]

Account babysitting is allowed in order that people dont miss turns. To do it frequently simply to gain an advantage in freestyle games is cheating !

My second point is: though we do take turns for each other from time to time, skyt is not the only one who is playing. The most important part of our strategy is to play at the same time. But, if for some reason, one of us cannot play, his/her turn will be taken by another player. We all know each other’s password. About 50% of the time, the 3 of us, meet up in me and danbemp’s room after class, and play our turns. During weekends, however, if I am in the room, I will play only with danbemp, if I am at home with my girlfriend, I will only play with her, and take turn for the other person. And very rarely, (this happened less than 10 times), I will take turns for all 3 people because of the time conflict (exams etc).

Have you read this, joecoolfrog?

[rebelman]

I am commenting as an outsider in that I don't usually play team games and i avoid freestyle like the plague. And I am a low ranked noob so before anyone else makes these points about me I'm putting them out there myself.

I do think what sky said in his first post is correct he is now this sites top scorer to say he is the site's top player is very subjective, and I for one am not going to say he is or he isn't. i'm certain i'm not and i'm arguably on my day this sites worst player lol.

The way he and his team play they are more or less unbeatable unless his opponents do the same thing or a version there of. What they have done is with in the rules although there does seem to be one rule for some and a different rule for others as is evidenced by comic and his Dad not being allowed play together in team games yet no such sanction was imposed on sky and his team when there relationship was outed in the cheating forum.

I'm a fun user of this site as distinct from a competitive one - i realise the two are not mutually exclusive but I have been involved in a lot of sports down through the years and I'm all for useing the rules to your advantage as long as you play fair. Sky and his incredible team have in my opinion not shown at all times that they are willing to play fair. One tactic which they have used that I would put in this category is all 3 of them delibrately miss one turn early in a game so they have double deployments in their next synchrinised go - this is hardly fair even if it is legal.

I have on other threads congratulated sky on his ability to climb the scoreboard but I do think it's important that people know the full story - a story that sky himself openly admits to when it comes to their methodology in climbing the charts. Sky is not the only one to benefit from their rich run of success. his girlfriend is rapidly moving towards being one of the highest ranked female on here ever.

[joecoolfrog]

Account babysitting is allowed in order that people dont miss turns. To do it frequently simply to gain an advantage in freestyle games is cheating !

My second point is: though we do take turns for each other from time to time, skyt is not the only one who is playing. The most important part of our strategy is to play at the same time. But, if for some reason, one of us cannot play, his/her turn will be taken by another player. We all know each other’s password. About 50% of the time, the 3 of us, meet up in me and danbemp’s room after class, and play our turns. During weekends, however, if I am in the room, I will play only with danbemp, if I am at home with my girlfriend, I will only play with her, and take turn for the other person. And very rarely, (this happened less than 10 times), I will take turns for all 3 people because of the time conflict (exams etc).

Have you read this, joecoolfrog?

Yes
He says that in half the games he takes turns for another player in order that the team can always work in sync - that is not account sitting that is abusing the system. Its cheating my friend

[Twill]

That was a very honest "confession" there SkyT. Honesty and openness will get you far in a community like this, have you considered playing a different style rather than quitting - no reason to leave just because you feel guilty over doing this one thing

[alster]

Yes
He says that in half the games he takes turns for another player in order that the team can always work in sync - that is not account sitting that is abusing the system. Its cheating my friend

Hmm... Difficult question, not straightforward.

On the one hand - playing as a team, i.e. two or three persons in the same room or connected via msn etc. is just a good thing to do. That's how to play succesfully. Teams who don't play as a team, well, they deserve to loose. Anyone who questions that is, well, it's a strange thing to say.

On the other hand - there's a fine line between account sitting and de facto having multiple accounts. Personally, I would say that account sitting is always fine (and should be encouraged) if one lets an outsider take the turns (an outsider being a person whose account isn't in the same game). However, when people let another player already in the game work as an account sitter, that's not good. If it happens now and then, well, maybe just a matter of bad taste and bad sportsmanship. (Although I admit that I myself have done such things, although only in team games. Nonetheless, I acknowledge that this past practice, no matter how sporadic and never in a singles game, has been wrong.) But if making it a habit letting team mates take each others turns, well, that seems pretty bad to me, eventually bordering having multiple accounts (i.e. three players having three accounts, albeit sharing them) since it removes the factor that a team mate being away during the best time to move. That do indeed give a team a pretty big advantage.

[rebelman]

or do I feel that if I make more games and win more, people will hate me more?

If anyone hates you and your team for what you have done thats a million times worse than any rules manipulation. I genuinely think that is not the case some are jealous of your success others like me would have issues linked to equity and fairness, but nobody hates you over this I believe and if they do then that are very sad people and are not any bit sporting. As twill said leaving the site is a very drastic road to go down and you have other options open to you if you want to consider them.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Admin can verify that payment was made from different cards under different names

That is correct for all three accounts.

this prooves nothing. in this case it is 1 player using 2 other accounts that are valid and than setting up games so he can make moves for all 3 players in which he continues to admitt.

and anybody can get 3 seperate credit cards and set up accounts. there is no 100% way to determine if it is 1 or 3 different players. the only thing that can be checked is the IP address and if it is the same, well than it needs to banned or blocked. its not that tough of a procedure.

I know players have stated in the past that its a $ thing. I hope this is not the case on why certain players are being permitted to do this.

account babysitting is OK. I even done it once in the past for another player. he said he was gone for a week and asked me to move in the games for him since it was triples and we were partners. at no time did I set up games using both accounts to gain an advantage. and it is a HUGE advantage to have control of mulitiple accounts.

[wicked]

it is a HUGE advantage to have control of mulitiple accounts.

Agreed. We're currently discussing it and are open to suggestions on how to prevent "de facto multiple accounts" while still being fair to people who have legit account-sitters. We allow account babysitting when someone is unable to access their account, but this situation goes beyond that and into the realm of unfairness.

[DiM]

it is a HUGE advantage to have control of mulitiple accounts.

Agreed. We're currently discussing it and are open to suggestions on how to prevent "de facto multiple accounts" while still being fair to people who have legit account-sitters. We allow account babysitting when someone is unable to access their account, but this situation goes beyond that and into the realm of unfairness.

the easiest method of doing this would be to implement a sitter function where a player logs in on another account with his own password and has limited access. (no starting or joining games no pms feedback or posting in forums) just taking turns.
also besides this siting function there can be added several additional rules like:
no sitting for more than 1 account at a time.
no sitting for more than a week.
etc.

[joecoolfrog]

it is a HUGE advantage to have control of mulitiple accounts.

Agreed. We're currently discussing it and are open to suggestions on how to prevent "de facto multiple accounts" while still being fair to people who have legit account-sitters. We allow account babysitting when someone is unable to access their account, but this situation goes beyond that and into the realm of unfairness.

Thank you for clarifying that Wicked.
Sky you are a good player anyway so dont quit,simply play sequential games with your team mates and there will be no need to take their turns. At the end of the day a heap of points is not much good if the community views them as gained improperly.

[wicked]

the easiest method of doing this would be to implement a sitter function where a player logs in on another account with his own password and has limited access. (no starting or joining games no pms feedback or posting in forums) just taking turns.
also besides this siting function there can be added several additional rules like:
no sitting for more than 1 account at a time.
no sitting for more than a week.
etc.

Interesting ideas. I like the limited functionality of a sitter's access. I remember seeing this proposed before here. Although I'm sure there'd be ways to circumvent the retrictions, it would definitely be a step in the right direction. And if implemented with or after the vacation button, we could even impose a shorter time period, e.g. if you're gone for the weekend, have an account-sitter if you'd like to not use the vacation setting, but if gone for longer than say 3 days, use the vacation setting or a combination of both. Would this be fair?

[firstholliday]

I can't believe that 2 of the worst players arround. (JR and Alstergen) are complaining about sky his ways. They are PROVEN cheaters.

Either they don't have friends OR
They can't afford 3 premier acoounts OR

They did not think of it themselves.



Sigh

[joecoolfrog]

I dont like the freestyle loopholes but Lack seems to find them acceptable so we must just put up with them,therefore Alster and JR are not cheating and presumably dont care if others find their tactics cheap.Taking the majority of turns in a team game however is a different story,that really is cheating and it seems that admin intend to put a stop to it if possible.

[Danbemp]

congrats on no1 dude, and if they dont like the way we play, THEY CAN GO f*ck THEMSELVES, lets quit this shit and find some other game to play

[Visaoni]

the easiest method of doing this would be to implement a sitter function where a player logs in on another account with his own password and has limited access. (no starting or joining games no pms feedback or posting in forums) just taking turns.
also besides this siting function there can be added several additional rules like:
no sitting for more than 1 account at a time.
no sitting for more than a week.
etc.

Interesting ideas. I like the limited functionality of a sitter's access. I remember seeing this proposed before here. Although I'm sure there'd be ways to circumvent the retrictions, it would definitely be a step in the right direction. And if implemented with or after the vacation button, we could even impose a shorter time period, e.g. if you're gone for the weekend, have an account-sitter if you'd like to not use the vacation setting, but if gone for longer than say 3 days, use the vacation setting or a combination of both. Would this be fair?

Or there could be a way to say you are going to be gone x number of days, and that a certain person is going to account sit for you during that time. During that period you yourself cannot login. Also your account sitter may not be in any games with you currently, and while they are your account sitter they are on your ignore list.

I also think DiM's ideas about limited access for the account sitter would be a great idea.

[firstholliday]

I dont like the freestyle loopholes but Lack seems to find them acceptable so we must just put up with them,therefore Alster and JR are not cheating and presumably dont care if others find their tactics cheap.Taking the majority of turns in a team game however is a different story,that really is cheating and it seems that admin intend to put a stop to it if possible.

It does not matter if lack finds it acceptable. it is still cheating.

Try to do it at a map with your friends at home........

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

I dont like the freestyle loopholes but Lack seems to find them acceptable so we must just put up with them,therefore Alster and JR are not cheating and presumably dont care if others find their tactics cheap.Taking the majority of turns in a team game however is a different story,that really is cheating and it seems that admin intend to put a stop to it if possible.

yeah 20 games out of 850 I used the double turn tactic to win. I abuse it all the time and im still down now 300 points in 1 vs 1 's. look at my score 2450 points and im still abusing it now if i used the tactic 850 times and had 4,000 points than I guess thats a legit complaint. but 2,450 points and only using it 20 times is far from abuse. if Lack changes the freestyle system, than I guess im forced to use it. I havent used the double turn tactic in a month anyways.

[stringybeany]

a couple observations:

some people are here for the top score.

others are here to play risk.

I'm here to play risk. In a way I'm happy that there is a high scoring method that exists that doesn't interfere with my singles sequential games. Take away freestyle and triples and the people that are all hyped about finding a way to the top of the heap no matter what will then be mucking around screwing up the singles games.

Leave them their reward and leave the risk lovers alone.

Let's have a little perspective people. It's a meaningless number stashed on a rather obscure server somewhere in a server farm. It ain't gonna make you rich or famous . . . not even close.

It's a great system just the way it is.

[joecoolfrog]

congrats on no1 dude, and if they dont like the way we play, THEY CAN GO f*ck THEMSELVES, lets quit this shit and find some other game to play

Good idea,go and cheat elsewhere

[stringybeany]

congrats on no1 dude, and if they dont like the way we play, THEY CAN GO f*ck THEMSELVES, lets quit this shit and find some other game to play

Good idea,go and cheat elsewhere

yep...and someone else will immediately replace them...if been watching it happen on other rated game sites for many years...it's an endless cycle