Athkatla Mafia - Talassians [mandy] WIN! (and Koesen)

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:09 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:
XGSuperstar wrote:Didn't PCM hammer Cena or something. I better look back for quotes.

[We need a jump to page feature, its annoying finding quotes.]
You should suggest being able to type in a string of characters and the search engine could match it...

That would be badddddd-ass.

I think they're working on that.

Looks like I missed another day... ah well...

And BTW, I didn't hammer cena.

XGSuperstar · Post by **XGSuperstar** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:17 pm

I don't know who did, that's why I am looking for quotes.

Someone did some particularly scummy things, like going up on Mandy's offer to save being killed, when its so obvious that Mandy was the bad person.

I think PCM was the one who went up on Mandy's offer or something... I dunno. I will have a looksee.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:23 am

FOS on all AD voters. We're trying to nail the scum recruiter, Kalish hasn't really made a defense, and you all turn the attention to a potential recruit. I sure as hell hope he didn't get lynched with all those votes.

XG, I think you should out your partner (without saying if him or you have a power role). If all cults had 1 recruiter and 1 member from the start, we're in pretty deep shit, and I'm tired of wasting investigations

We need to reduce the number of suspects as much as we can, because if we screw up today we won't get much more shots.

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:20 am

Don't worry, there's no lynch yet. Unofficial vote count:

kalis - 3 (firth, ga7, xgs)
nark - 3 (josh, neutrino, nark)
6 to lynch.

I'm tempted to vote kalis too, but since the deadline is nowhere near I'll wait for him to defend himself (or to defend skittles really)...

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:41 am

Vote Count
Kalish: ga7, firth (2)
AD: Josh, Neut, AD, XGSuperstar (4)

With 12 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:57 am

Apparently I'm no good at counting a few votes, so I'll leave the vote counts to the mod from now on.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:54 am

Nah, it's OK, I mess up as well.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:17 am

unvote vote PCM

no input at all for too long and when he does show up nothing.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:34 am

ga7 wrote:FOS on all AD voters. We're trying to nail the scum recruiter, Kalish hasn't really made a defense, and you all turn the attention to a potential recruit. I sure as hell hope he didn't get lynched with all those votes.

I can't really put together a defense, to be honest. I was being voted for my believing kwanton was town and for the history of my replcee, then everyone jumped on the wagon, then off again... What the hell am I supposed to say about that?

Sorry I believed kwanton's claim, but his fake logic (town's numbers advantage so he didn't except) made sense and is probably the move I would have made in his situation.

I'm just a plain ol' townie till a certain condition is met, then my role becomes decent (I think, kinda vague wording), but I have no idea how to fulfill said condition.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:35 pm

Well, it's a mix of Skittles being scummy, vote records, and you trusting Kwan and almost leading us to no lynch really... The fact you're claiming townie now makes my vote stay.
After Jnd's death I'm pretty sure that it's really only townies + one power role that each cult can recruit... What you imply by a special WC seems pretty fishy to me too. Based on the previous arguments and the fact that on the odd chance you're not plainly lying, your recruitable role "upgrades" at some point, I'm convinced you're a threat. Plus if we're wrong the vigs/investigators will be able to take more focused action.
In any case, I'd like to hear from PCM, and XG as mentioned before. And see these votes on AD go away

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:47 pm

ga7 wrote:Well, it's a mix of Skittles being scummy, vote records, and you trusting Kwan and almost leading us to no lynch really... The fact you're claiming townie now makes my vote stay.
After Jnd's death I'm pretty sure that it's really only townies + one power role that each cult can recruit... What you imply by a special WC seems pretty fishy to me too. Based on the previous arguments and the fact that on the odd chance you're not plainly lying, your recruitable role "upgrades" at some point, I'm convinced you're a threat. Plus if we're wrong the vigs/investigators will be able to take more focused action.
In any case, I'd like to hear from PCM, and XG as mentioned before. And see these votes on AD go away

That bolded bit about only one power role being recruitable seems like quite a stretch... Unless you have firsthand experience (i.e. you know that because you're in a cult).

So, do you have firsthand experience?

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:52 pm

Maybe you didn't notice me trying to get lynched people from all the cults (except Cena, though that was pretty random)

It's a stretch ok, but that's the only way to explain Nes' role that makes sense to me. Especially with what XG told us about his group starting with one member... And the fact I wasn't recruited and I doubt the ones I investigated were.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:17 pm

ga7 wrote:Well, it's a mix of Skittles being scummy, vote records, and you trusting Kwan and almost leading us to no lynch really... The fact you're claiming townie now makes my vote stay.
After Jnd's death I'm pretty sure that it's really only townies + one power role that each cult can recruit... What you imply by a special WC seems pretty fishy to me too. Based on the previous arguments and the fact that on the odd chance you're not plainly lying, your recruitable role "upgrades" at some point, I'm convinced you're a threat. Plus if we're wrong the vigs/investigators will be able to take more focused action.
In any case, I'd like to hear from PCM, and XG as mentioned before. And see these votes on AD go away

First, how am I leading you to a no lynch?

Second, where does this "cults can only recruit one power role" come from?

Third, you said "if my recruitable role upgrades at some point," thus admitting that I am unrecruited? And who said anything about my role upgrading upon recruitment? My role's power has nothing to do with recruitment. Instead of outing me here (and painting an even bigger bullseye on my head), why don't you just investigate me?

Fourth, why are you so adamant in defending AD when almost everyone else thinks he's scum?

Fifth, I don't have a special win condition (what I assume WC stands for). I never said that either.

Sixth, since I claimed town your vote stays? So if I'd have claimed scum you'd unvote?

To be honest, other then Skittles 'sketchy' voting record, every point you've made has been false/an assumption.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:44 pm

First, I was obviously talking about the previous day. Considering we almost had a no-lynch on a talos recruit, it's only logical the ones who avoided voting him have the most suspicion.

Second, this is not only an assumption as it has been pretty much proven by facts, with Nes' Paladin of Lathander (Elite bodyguard) role, that there were some power roles that had a god, but weren't part of the cult itself. If all power roles could be recruited, I or the 2 power roles that I investigated would have had a high chance of being recruited. The 2 cult members that we lynched were townies. 2+2+3 = 7

Third, I said if you are not plainly lying, then the townie role that could change upon a certain condition seems dangerous to me. We're in the middle of cults, so unless you have a link to another character, the possibility your role changes if you're recruited comes naturally to mind, no? As for investigations, last night showed me that even when I investigate someone he can turn cult in the same damn night without me knowing it. So I'd rather avoid wasting time on claimed townies really...

Fourth, AD is an exception as he would be a likely target for investigation at this point. But Sierra & me have already pointed out that we badly need to nail the Cult Leader, not Recruits. And whether AD is lying or not, which I'm inclined to think is the latter considering the ultra quick wagon on him as a mean of distraction, there's no way he's the leader. At worse he's lathander.

Fifth, true. I read your explanation about condition and thought WC. Anyway the point remains the whole thing is fishy. I can't count how many times scum claimed townie (locked role) to save their asses.

Sixth, since you claimed townie and you and Skittles have both provided pretty solid reasons to have my suspicion, as with Kwanton's case, I see no cons to your lynch. If you're really the townie you claim to be, we'll know what to do tonight. But I still think you're the most likely to be cult at this point.

Seventh, just wanted a seventh. Night scummies

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:46 pm

Vote Count
Kalish: ga7 (1)
AD: Josh, Neut, AD, XGSuperstar (4)
PCM: firth (1)

With 12 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

XGSuperstar · Post by **XGSuperstar** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:10 pm

Ok... Unvote No speed lynches here.

Also, my mason partner might be better off revealed. In the beginning we were unsure if we acted like a cult [due to vague win condition making us look like some sort of weird cult, no specifics allowed due to rules], so he wanted to keep his identity a secret. However, I asked Exile last night, and we are pro-town.

Like in the beginning [reposting the quote.

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Hmm, I would reveal my mason partner, but what if ga7 was recruited the night after lynching nag... Meh, Firth is my mason partner. Might make things a wee bit easier.

XGSuperstar · Post by **XGSuperstar** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:11 pm

EBWOP

[reposting the quote. ]

I was GOING to repost it, but I decided 3 times was too much.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:24 pm

firth4eva wrote:unvote vote PCM

no input at all for too long and when he does show up nothing.

I was under the impression that 4 votes on a person following a vote count that said 4 with 6 to lynch meant Day over.

I could be wrong though...

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:26 pm

pancakemix wrote:
firth4eva wrote:unvote vote PCM

no input at all for too long and when he does show up nothing.
I was under the impression that 4 votes on a person following a vote count that said 4 with 6 to lynch meant Day over.

I could be wrong though...

There were 4 votes on kalish when 4 people voted AD, if that's what you mean. Since they don't have linked roles about getting voted, he's not lynched.

Feel free to prove me wrong though.

XGSuperstar · Post by **XGSuperstar** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:54 pm

pancakemix wrote:AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Now that I've got that over with...

Smite protection and get rid of a cult leader or... nothing?

Vote Cena

Smite protection is obviously not that believable.

Of course, the getting rid of the cult leader thing kinda made sense, as you did not truely know his role.

Nag wrote:I'm surprised cena hasn't been lynched yet. Its clear as day that hes recruiting a cult to destroy everyone else. Lynching XG will just give cena another day to recruit another member and is detrimental to the town. If by a very small chance hes not scum of sorts we know we can never trust mandy in this game again.

He should have obviously been noticed as scum. He wanted to lynch Cena, instead of me, because I was less important.

All I could find, nothing truely worthy... Mr.Incrediball hammered Cena.

XGSuperstar · Post by **XGSuperstar** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:59 pm

pancakemix wrote:AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Now that I've got that over with...

Smite protection and get rid of a cult leader or... nothing?

Vote Cena

Smite protection is obviously not that believable.

Of course, the getting rid of the cult leader thing kinda made sense, as you did not truely know his role.

Nag wrote:I'm surprised cena hasn't been lynched yet. Its clear as day that hes recruiting a cult to destroy everyone else. Lynching XG will just give cena another day to recruit another member and is detrimental to the town. If by a very small chance hes not scum of sorts we know we can never trust mandy in this game again.

He should have obviously been noticed as scum. He wanted to lynch Cena, instead of me, because I was less important.

All I could find, nothing truely worthy... Mr.Incrediball hammered Cena, that was the one.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:18 pm

The1exile wrote:
pancakemix wrote:
firth4eva wrote:unvote vote PCM

no input at all for too long and when he does show up nothing.
I was under the impression that 4 votes on a person following a vote count that said 4 with 6 to lynch meant Day over.

I could be wrong though...
There were 4 votes on kalish when 4 people voted AD, if that's what you mean. Since they don't have linked roles about getting voted, he's not lynched.

Feel free to prove me wrong though.

Wow. I'm not sure how many times I read that vote count wrong...

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:37 pm

Thanks XG, that actually helps a lot. Couldn't get a read on Firth at all... And if what it takes for you guys to believe I wasn't recruited is to behead the Talos cult, that's exactly what I intend to do

FOS PCM worried that the speed lynch on AD didn't work?

XGSuperstar · Post by **XGSuperstar** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:04 pm

I KNOW its a longshot, but chances are very high that the cult members are debating, and the cult leaders are lurking. SOOO, I have quoted the list of the alive.

1. kalashnikov (replaced Skittles!)
2.Neutrino
4.pancakemix
8.LSU Tiger Josh
9.muy_thaiguy (replaced XenHu)
11.Sierra_Leon
13.firth4eva
14.XGSuperstar
16.Koesen
18.ga7
20.Syzygy
21.Anarkistsdream

Where has LSU been all game? He posted some, but not that often, he should be more aggressive... Oh, looked back...

Vote AD Kwan claimed to be a neutral character that somehow had a choice between 2 different groups as well as to remain townie which is unheard of in mafia. I could see why you wouldn't on nag early on, but acting how you did with Kwanton tells me that you may not be a simple bar wrench.

he did post, but it was to attack AD...

I know lurker is not automatically scum, but still. Nothing too great, might be bored, and I can't find any scum tells... And maybe he did post more, he attacked Kwanton at one point.

LSU Tiger Josh · Post by **LSU Tiger Josh** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:13 pm

and I still maintain that AD is more then he pretends to be. I find it quite scummy that he was perfectly willing to keep a lynch from happening when Kwan was that close to lynch and he refused to change his vote. In regards to where I've been, we gave out interval assessments at school this past week and I'm in the process of reading 71 miniessays to grade from 9th graders. Not that much fun which is why you may have also noticed that the game I'm modding has been having a little extended time the last couple of days in regards to when I am able to post the information concerning deaths.