A territory bounse at start!

LiL_Ly · Post by **LiL_Ly** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:38 am

I've played a couple games, and it just makes me upset because the other player already holds a territory. And to top it off, they start first too! So, in a other words their getting their regular 3 and bonus! what is that all about? I think if the other player starts off with a territory, the other player (without the territory bonus) should be able to go first!

Visaoni · Post by **Visaoni** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:51 am

All of it is random. The chances of A) starting with a bonus and B) going first really aren't that good...

oVo · Post by **oVo** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:58 am

Good drops happen.

insomniacdude · Post by **insomniacdude** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:05 am

Visaoni wrote:All of it is random. The chances of A) starting with a bonus and B) going first really aren't that good...

Depends on the map. There are a lot of maps that only require 1-3 countries for the bonus. There are three 3-country continent in World 2.1, I've seen someone start with at least one of those in different games. WWII D-Day, where you can easily start off with a negative bonus. WWII Pearl Harbor is a big one on this - starting off with two planes is easy.

Visaoni · Post by **Visaoni** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:11 am

insomniacdude wrote:
Visaoni wrote:All of it is random. The chances of A) starting with a bonus and B) going first really aren't that good...
Depends on the map. There are a lot of maps that only require 1-3 countries for the bonus. There are three 3-country continent in World 2.1, I've seen someone start with at least one of those in different games. WWII D-Day, where you can easily start off with a negative bonus. WWII Pearl Harbor is a big one on this - starting off with two planes is easy.

I'm not saying it is super uncommon or anything, I just mean it isn't so common you really expect it going into a game. I really haven't found the will to delve into the latest WWII theme maps yet (might have played one game on one map), so I'll concede to you on those.

insomniacdude · Post by **insomniacdude** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:27 am

Visaoni wrote:
insomniacdude wrote:
Visaoni wrote:All of it is random. The chances of A) starting with a bonus and B) going first really aren't that good...
Depends on the map. There are a lot of maps that only require 1-3 countries for the bonus. There are three 3-country continent in World 2.1, I've seen someone start with at least one of those in different games. WWII D-Day, where you can easily start off with a negative bonus. WWII Pearl Harbor is a big one on this - starting off with two planes is easy.
I'm not saying it is super uncommon or anything, I just mean it isn't so common you really expect it going into a game. I really haven't found the will to delve into the latest WWII theme maps yet (might have played one game on one map), so I'll concede to you on those.

Those were just examples. Here's some more, just eying the map list.

The gray continent in Benelux.
The kings - king of the mountains.
Either of the camps - Siege!
Downtown - Montreal
AAs - Pearl Harbor
Radiation nexi - USApocalypse
Allied Symbols - 8 Thoughts
cities - Italy

It just depends on the map really. When I start a 2.1 game, I brace myself for the possibility that someone could get Australia right off the drop. I am staggered if they have something like Mahgreb or Canada, because the odds for those are much higher.

It also depends on size. 3 countries out of 113 for W2.1 is different than 3 out of 18 (Africa) for Doodle Earth.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:26 am

You forgot the throne on siege.

LiL_Ly · Post by **LiL_Ly** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:09 pm

it not fucken random! i've started a many games, and the player who started off with the bonus alway wins! it's fucken bullshit!

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:40 pm

LiL_Ly wrote:it not fucken random! i've started a many games, and the player who started off with the bonus alway wins! it's fucken bullshit!

ive won against two seperate playes who each got a bonus b4

soundout9 · Post by **soundout9** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:04 pm

Herakilla wrote:
LiL_Ly wrote:it not fucken random! i've started a many games, and the player who started off with the bonus alway wins! it's fucken bullshit!
ive won against two seperate playes who each got a bonus b4

Just stop whining

SWeko · Post by **SWeko** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:11 pm

I like 8 thought a lot and I usually play 1v1, and it's not very uncommon to start with a +2 bonus for allied symbols, although I'm playing a game at the moment where the other guy got a +10 bonus off the bat, and got to play first, and of course I always start with a negative bonus that I can't get rid of in D-Day

It might be wise to deny all first round bonuses so no-one is in an unfair advantage right off the start.

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:13 pm

its just luck!!! keep playing and it will eventually happen to you!

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:20 pm

If you start with a bonus you get shit dice.

Proven fact.

soundout9 · Post by **soundout9** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:21 pm

The1exile wrote:If you start with a bonus you get shit dice.

Proven fact.

True Dat

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:24 pm

LiL_Ly wrote:it not fucken random! i've started a many games, and the player who started off with the bonus alway wins! it's fucken bullshit!

The fact that you can gain an advantage is random.

The fact that the person with the advantage usually wins isn't random, thats just the consequence of starting with an advantage.

bob72 · Post by **bob72** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:39 am

I have a friend who recently signd up for premium.

Halmir is his name he regularly has bonuses starts first and wins around 3-5 3V3 dice rolls on his first go. I've never met someone so lucky.

elcameron · Post by **elcameron** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:00 am

When you do start with a bonus everyone automatically attacks you. I think it its harder to win. If you start unobtrusively everyone will ignore you and give you an oportunity to grow.

bob72 · Post by **bob72** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:19 am

true but try starting against someone who goes first and gets 8 armies + 5 bonus on 1v1 game then takes out around 7-8 of your territories and has already 15 armies more than you and is getting 7-8 armies more per round already and you haven't even had your turn yet...

elcameron · Post by **elcameron** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:24 am

Yea, guess I was not considering 1v1 game

bob72 · Post by **bob72** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:49 am

yeah i don't play them for that reason I've played 3 and lost 3 due to bad drops and dice. Too much random luck in them and my dice are bad as it is.

But I know what you mean regarding everyone attacking. I'm still paying the price for gaining the upper hand early on in games I've learned my lesson now...

EmperorOfDaNorth · Post by **EmperorOfDaNorth** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:49 am

I was in a Benelux game where TWO players (one myself) held a continent at the start. I held the gray stuff in the middle, another player had Luxemburg complete.

Neither me nor the Luxemburg guy won it.

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:59 am

EmperorOfDaNorth wrote:I was in a Benelux game where TWO players (one myself) held a continent at the start. I held the gray stuff in the middle, another player had Luxemburg complete.

Neither me nor the Luxemburg guy won it.

exactly just like my game where two other players than me had continents and still lost to me!

joecoolfrog · Post by **joecoolfrog** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:03 pm

It is only an overwhelming advantage in 2 player games,which appears to have escaped the budding Einstein who started this sorry excuse for a thread.