Evolution vs Creation-Comparing each View

[Iliad]

1) Evolution has scientific proof which backs it up.

Please elaborate. There is no "proof" to back up evolution. Its all theory, hypothesis and so on.


Evolutionists please explain the following:

1. Why do we not see apes walking upright or shedding hair. Did evolution stop? All the apes I have ever seen, well.... look like apes.

2.It is fact that speech is a learned behavior. Tell me, who taught the apes to speak? (not 1 but hundreds of languages)

3.Tracing evolution back to the very first living thing... where did IT come from?


It seems that it would require more faith to believe in evolution, then it does to believe in God.

The evolution theory is a well-thought out hypothesis or where organisms came from. Darwin didn't just pick things out of the air, he used his mind and made intelligent guesses.

1. When we evolved from apes, not all apes evolved, explaining why there are still apes which look like apes.

2. Our minds developed as time went on and we created languages.

3. IT came from different combinations of reactions and energy.

1. Correction: old world monkeys evolved into new world monkeys and into humans

[jay_a2j]

1) Evolution has scientific proof which backs it up.

Please elaborate. There is no "proof" to back up evolution. Its all theory, hypothesis and so on.


Evolutionists please explain the following:

1. Why do we not see apes walking upright or shedding hair. Did evolution stop? All the apes I have ever seen, well.... look like apes.

2.It is fact that speech is a learned behavior. Tell me, who taught the apes to speak? (not 1 but hundreds of languages)

3.Tracing evolution back to the very first living thing... where did IT come from?


It seems that it would require more faith to believe in evolution, then it does to believe in God.

The evolution theory is a well-thought out hypothesis or where organisms came from. Darwin didn't just pick things out of the air, he used his mind and made intelligent guesses.

1. When we evolved from apes, not all apes evolved, explaining why there are still apes which look like apes.

2. Our minds developed as time went on and we created languages.

3. IT came from different combinations of reactions and energy.

1. Correction: old world monkeys evolved into new world monkeys and into humans

To both posts....based on what? Is this just some guess you guys came up with. (btw I love how you guys state these things as if they are fact.)
Speech is learned...I don't care how "developed" your mind is...its STILL a learned behavior! A modern day human...if taken as an infant and secluded so it NEVER heard human speech.... WOULD NEVER SPEAK! This my friends is human sociology...science.

[Iliad]

1) Evolution has scientific proof which backs it up.

Please elaborate. There is no "proof" to back up evolution. Its all theory, hypothesis and so on.


Evolutionists please explain the following:

1. Why do we not see apes walking upright or shedding hair. Did evolution stop? All the apes I have ever seen, well.... look like apes.

2.It is fact that speech is a learned behavior. Tell me, who taught the apes to speak? (not 1 but hundreds of languages)

3.Tracing evolution back to the very first living thing... where did IT come from?


It seems that it would require more faith to believe in evolution, then it does to believe in God.

The evolution theory is a well-thought out hypothesis or where organisms came from. Darwin didn't just pick things out of the air, he used his mind and made intelligent guesses.

1. When we evolved from apes, not all apes evolved, explaining why there are still apes which look like apes.

2. Our minds developed as time went on and we created languages.

3. IT came from different combinations of reactions and energy.

1. Correction: old world monkeys evolved into new world monkeys and into humans

To both posts....based on what? Is this just some guess you guys came up with. (btw I love how you guys state these things as if they are fact.)
Speech is learned...I don't care how "developed" your mind is...its STILL a learned behavior! A modern day human...if taken as an infant and secluded so it NEVER heard human speech.... WOULD NEVER SPEAK! This my friends is human sociology...science.

I love how you think that science isn't fact when religious dogma is. There isn't ANY proof for creationism.

And animals learn speech. As humans became smarter their language became more complex

[jay_a2j]

I love how you think that science isn't fact when religious dogma is. There isn't ANY proof for creationism.

And animals learn speech. As humans became smarter their language became more complex

Some science is fact. Evolution is not one of them. Animals DO NOT learn speech! They have ways of communicating with each other but do not posses the VOCAL CORDS necessary in which to speak. What part of this are we not understanding? In order for a person to be able to speak a language...they MUST be taught the language.

[Iliad]

I love how you think that science isn't fact when religious dogma is. There isn't ANY proof for creationism.

And animals learn speech. As humans became smarter their language became more complex

Some science is fact. Evolution is not one of them. Animals DO NOT learn speech! They have ways of communicating with each other but do not posses the VOCAL CORDS necessary in which to speak. What part of this are we not understanding? In order for a person to be able to speak a language...they MUST be taught the language.

Then how do other animals communicate with each other?

Other animals also talk to each other, jay.

[jay_a2j]

Then how do other animals communicate with each other?

Other animals also talk to each other, jay.

Not an expert but have watched the Discovery Channel. Different animals do different things. A Cobra will expand the area around his head to warn other animals. (communication not speech) A loin will roar. A skunk will lift its tail.


Where did you learn that animals talk to each other? Please don't tell me Bambi.

[Neutrino]

Some science is fact. Evolution is not one of them. Animals DO NOT learn speech! They have ways of communicating with each other but do not posses the VOCAL CORDS necessary in which to speak. What part of this are we not understanding? In order for a person to be able to speak a language...they MUST be taught the language.

Sure they can. Monkey screachings, lion raws, bird calls, any other animal noise you'd care to name all contain information. What is speech but the transfer of information? Sure, it's nowhere near as complex as human speech, but it contains information nontheless.

[MeDeFe]

jay, mute people can speak, too, even though they don't use their vocal chords.

[Minister Masket]

Evolution is not scriptural and to accept it as "truth" is compromising your faith. (IMO)

You buffoon. As I clearly stated, this has happened twice in history!
Jews accepted Jesus to become Christians.
Catholics accepted Luthur's teachings to bcome Protestants.

[Minister Masket]

I believe in God, not the Bible.

Then you are not a christian.

Is that a bad thing?

Just pointing out that if one is trying to introduce a new concept regarding christianity, one should probably BE a christian...don't you think?

Not necessarily, as an outsider he might have a different perspective on many topics and be able to introduce new ideas to a system that would otherwise remain static.

I thank you for the back-up. I have a plethora of ideas that can make your average garden shed look like a box full of monkeys!

[Titanic]

Some science is fact. Evolution is not one of them. Animals DO NOT learn speech! They have ways of communicating with each other but do not posses the VOCAL CORDS necessary in which to speak. What part of this are we not understanding? In order for a person to be able to speak a language...they MUST be taught the language.

Sure they can. Monkey screachings, lion raws, bird calls, any other animal noise you'd care to name all contain information. What is speech but the transfer of information? Sure, it's nowhere near as complex as human speech, but it contains information nontheless.

Also dogs barking, birds singing, and cats meowing. There all sounds the animals make which others of its species understand.

[jay_a2j]

jay, mute people can speak, too, even though they don't use their vocal chords.

No, they can communicate not speak.




Neutrino that is communication not speech.


Definitions of speech on the Web:

* address: the act of delivering a formal spoken communication to an audience; "he listened to an address on minor Roman poets"
* (language) communication by word of mouth; "his speech was garbled"; "he uttered harsh language"; "he recorded the spoken language of the streets"
*[u[ something spoken[/u]; "he could hear them uttering merry speeches"
* the exchange of spoken words; "they were perfectly comfortable together without speech"
* manner of speaking: your characteristic style or manner of expressing yourself orally; "his manner of speaking was quite abrupt"; "her speech was barren of southernisms"; "I detected a slight accent in his speech"
* lecture: a lengthy rebuke; "a good lecture was my father's idea of discipline"; "the teacher gave him a talking to"
* actor's line: words making up the dialogue of a play; "the actor forgot his speech"
* language: the mental faculty or power of vocal communication; "language sets homo sapiens apart from all other animals"

[jay_a2j]

Some science is fact. Evolution is not one of them. Animals DO NOT learn speech! They have ways of communicating with each other but do not posses the VOCAL CORDS necessary in which to speak. What part of this are we not understanding? In order for a person to be able to speak a language...they MUST be taught the language.

Sure they can. Monkey screachings, lion raws, bird calls, any other animal noise you'd care to name all contain information. What is speech but the transfer of information? Sure, it's nowhere near as complex as human speech, but it contains information nontheless.

Also dogs barking, birds singing, and cats meowing. There all sounds the animals make which others of its species understand.

Again....COMMUNICATION, not speech.

[Neutrino]

Monkey screaches are speech too. Communication by word of mouth. Human speech contains a lot more information and monkeys can only express a small set of ideas via it, but even by your definitions, it qualifies as speech.

[jay_a2j]

Monkey screaches are speech too. Communication by word of mouth. Human speech contains a lot more information and monkeys can only express a small set of ideas via it, but even by your definitions, it qualifies as speech.

Communication by WORD of mouth not screeches of mouth. Try again.


Speech is learned...again who taught apes (after they developed the necessary vocal cords) to speak?

[Titanic]

Some science is fact. Evolution is not one of them. Animals DO NOT learn speech! They have ways of communicating with each other but do not posses the VOCAL CORDS necessary in which to speak. What part of this are we not understanding? In order for a person to be able to speak a language...they MUST be taught the language.

Sure they can. Monkey screachings, lion raws, bird calls, any other animal noise you'd care to name all contain information. What is speech but the transfer of information? Sure, it's nowhere near as complex as human speech, but it contains information nontheless.

Also dogs barking, birds singing, and cats meowing. There all sounds the animals make which others of its species understand.

Again....COMMUNICATION, not speech.

Definitions of speech on the Web:

* address: the act of delivering a formal spoken communication to an audience; "he listened to an address on minor Roman poets"
* (language) communication by word of mouth; "his speech was garbled"; "he uttered harsh language"; "he recorded the spoken language of the streets"
* something spoken; "he could hear them uttering merry speeches"
* the exchange of spoken words; "they were perfectly comfortable together without speech"
* manner of speaking: your characteristic style or manner of expressing yourself orally; "his manner of speaking was quite abrupt"; "her speech was barren of southernisms"; "I detected a slight accent in his speech"
* lecture: a lengthy rebuke; "a good lecture was my father's idea of discipline"; "the teacher gave him a talking to"
* actor's line: words making up the dialogue of a play; "the actor forgot his speech"
* language: the mental faculty or power of vocal communication;"language sets homo sapiens apart from all other animals"

I believe by your definitions they are more then communication, it is definately speech and possibly an actual form of language.

Can I just ask, wtf has animals having or not having a language or the ability to speak got to do with evolution?

Tail bone, opposable thumbs, fossil evidence, mutations, adaption to environments etc... prove evolution.

[ParadiceCity9]

Monkey screaches are speech too. Communication by word of mouth. Human speech contains a lot more information and monkeys can only express a small set of ideas via it, but even by your definitions, it qualifies as speech.

Communication by WORD of mouth not screeches of mouth. Try again.


Speech is learned...again who taught apes (after they developed the necessary vocal cords) to speak?

apes taught apes

I taught myself how to play guitar, i think an entire species can learn by themselves how to speak.

[bryguy]

just thought i would let u guys know, animals and birds DO speak, just in their own languages. And it is possible to learn them, by watching them. There is one man (i think he lives in russia, or is it italy?) his name is Konrad Z. Lorenz, he can talk to some birds in their own language. Like jackdaws, he has learned some of their words, like the two words Kia and Kiaw, Kia means come with me, Kiaw means come home with me. So animals do have their own languages.

[Jolly Roger]

To both posts....based on what? Is this just some guess you guys came up with. (btw I love how you guys state these things as if they are fact.)
Speech is learned...I don't care how "developed" your mind is...its STILL a learned behavior! A modern day human...if taken as an infant and secluded so it NEVER heard human speech.... WOULD NEVER SPEAK! This my friends is human sociology...science.

Of course it would never speak - it has no one to converse with. Try taking a dozen human infants and secluding them and all successive generations for 100,000 years or so. Put them in a harsh environment where mutual cooperation is absolutely necessary to ensure survival. You really don't think they would eventually come to agree to associate certain sounds with certain meanings? In 100,000 years, they might even develop the ability to string a few sounds together and create a rudimentary grammar.

Human speech today is both learned and invented - it's still evolving in a way that is easy to observe. As our environment changes, we continue to invent words to describe it and cope with it. This year, any given language may grow by 100 words or so. Given that we can see and measure the evolution of languages in the modern world, why would anyone suspect that this evolution could not occur in early human societies?

[bryguy]

but just because they have their own languages, does NOT mean that they evolved or that we evolved from them. And I have a big question for all evolutionist out there, if a big bang created the world, then what created everything that created the big bang? and what created those things? the question can go back as far as u like but it never stops if u keep having that it happened by chance, cause something has to create something else. And the theory of the big bang was actually a PRIESTS idea of how God created the universe, and at the time everyone laughed at him.

[bryguy]

Monkey screaches are speech too. Communication by word of mouth. Human speech contains a lot more information and monkeys can only express a small set of ideas via it, but even by your definitions, it qualifies as speech.

Communication by WORD of mouth not screeches of mouth. Try again.


Speech is learned...again who taught apes (after they developed the necessary vocal cords) to speak?

apes taught apes



I taught myself how to play guitar, i think an entire species can learn by themselves how to speak.

I agree, the human language (English, French etc.) was nothing like how it is today 300 years ago, so if u went back in time to 1700 or 1600 or any of those times (or maybe even later) and u could speak english, than say u went to england, u would not understand a SINGLE THING BEING SAID!!!!!

[bryguy]

Some science is fact. Evolution is not one of them. Animals DO NOT learn speech! They have ways of communicating with each other but do not posses the VOCAL CORDS necessary in which to speak. What part of this are we not understanding? In order for a person to be able to speak a language...they MUST be taught the language.

Sure they can. Monkey screachings, lion raws, bird calls, any other animal noise you'd care to name all contain information. What is speech but the transfer of information? Sure, it's nowhere near as complex as human speech, but it contains information nontheless.

Also dogs barking, birds singing, and cats meowing. There all sounds the animals make which others of its species understand.

Again....COMMUNICATION, not speech.

Definitions of speech on the Web:

* address: the act of delivering a formal spoken communication to an audience; "he listened to an address on minor Roman poets"
* (language) communication by word of mouth; "his speech was garbled"; "he uttered harsh language"; "he recorded the spoken language of the streets"
* something spoken; "he could hear them uttering merry speeches"
* the exchange of spoken words; "they were perfectly comfortable together without speech"
* manner of speaking: your characteristic style or manner of expressing yourself orally; "his manner of speaking was quite abrupt"; "her speech was barren of southernisms"; "I detected a slight accent in his speech"
* lecture: a lengthy rebuke; "a good lecture was my father's idea of discipline"; "the teacher gave him a talking to"
* actor's line: words making up the dialogue of a play; "the actor forgot his speech"
* language: the mental faculty or power of vocal communication;"language sets homo sapiens apart from all other animals"

I believe by your definitions they are more then communication, it is definately speech and possibly an actual form of language.

Can I just ask, wtf has animals having or not having a language or the ability to speak got to do with evolution?

Tail bone, opposable thumbs, fossil evidence, mutations, adaption to environments etc... prove evolution.

dude, when archeologists (i have NO CLUE if i spelled that right, i stink at spelling) found the tooth of a PIG they came up with what a human looked like (one that they thought was the "missing link") and they were utterly humiliated when they figured out that their whole "missing link" was just a pig. A PIG!!

[Titanic]

Some science is fact. Evolution is not one of them. Animals DO NOT learn speech! They have ways of communicating with each other but do not posses the VOCAL CORDS necessary in which to speak. What part of this are we not understanding? In order for a person to be able to speak a language...they MUST be taught the language.

Sure they can. Monkey screachings, lion raws, bird calls, any other animal noise you'd care to name all contain information. What is speech but the transfer of information? Sure, it's nowhere near as complex as human speech, but it contains information nontheless.

Also dogs barking, birds singing, and cats meowing. There all sounds the animals make which others of its species understand.

Again....COMMUNICATION, not speech.

Definitions of speech on the Web:

* address: the act of delivering a formal spoken communication to an audience; "he listened to an address on minor Roman poets"
* (language) communication by word of mouth; "his speech was garbled"; "he uttered harsh language"; "he recorded the spoken language of the streets"
* something spoken; "he could hear them uttering merry speeches"
* the exchange of spoken words; "they were perfectly comfortable together without speech"
* manner of speaking: your characteristic style or manner of expressing yourself orally; "his manner of speaking was quite abrupt"; "her speech was barren of southernisms"; "I detected a slight accent in his speech"
* lecture: a lengthy rebuke; "a good lecture was my father's idea of discipline"; "the teacher gave him a talking to"
* actor's line: words making up the dialogue of a play; "the actor forgot his speech"
* language: the mental faculty or power of vocal communication;"language sets homo sapiens apart from all other animals"

I believe by your definitions they are more then communication, it is definately speech and possibly an actual form of language.

Can I just ask, wtf has animals having or not having a language or the ability to speak got to do with evolution?

Tail bone, opposable thumbs, fossil evidence, mutations, adaption to environments etc... prove evolution.

dude, when archeologists (i have NO CLUE if i spelled that right, i stink at spelling) found the tooth of a PIG they came up with what a human looked like (one that they thought was the "missing link") and they were utterly humiliated when they figured out that their whole "missing link" was just a pig. A PIG!!

You got any proof of that? Also, how many archeologists? And how important or experianced was this archeologist? When was the discovery made, and how long after did they find out it was a pig? Was this even ever broadcast on a large scale?

Also, wtf has that got to do with what I said?

[neoni]

I LIKE HOW CHRISTIANS THINK EVERY INDIVIDUAL SCIENTIST REPRESENTS THE CONSENSUS OF THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY.

HAY GUYS I FOUND PROOF OF JESUS, OH WAIT IT'S JUST A PIG THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T EXIST. DUR DUR CHRISTOLOGIC I IS SMART.

[joecoolfrog]

Some science is fact. Evolution is not one of them. Animals DO NOT learn speech! They have ways of communicating with each other but do not posses the VOCAL CORDS necessary in which to speak. What part of this are we not understanding? In order for a person to be able to speak a language...they MUST be taught the language.

Sure they can. Monkey screachings, lion raws, bird calls, any other animal noise you'd care to name all contain information. What is speech but the transfer of information? Sure, it's nowhere near as complex as human speech, but it contains information nontheless.

Also dogs barking, birds singing, and cats meowing. There all sounds the animals make which others of its species understand.

Again....COMMUNICATION, not speech.

Definitions of speech on the Web:

* address: the act of delivering a formal spoken communication to an audience; "he listened to an address on minor Roman poets"
* (language) communication by word of mouth; "his speech was garbled"; "he uttered harsh language"; "he recorded the spoken language of the streets"
* something spoken; "he could hear them uttering merry speeches"
* the exchange of spoken words; "they were perfectly comfortable together without speech"
* manner of speaking: your characteristic style or manner of expressing yourself orally; "his manner of speaking was quite abrupt"; "her speech was barren of southernisms"; "I detected a slight accent in his speech"
* lecture: a lengthy rebuke; "a good lecture was my father's idea of discipline"; "the teacher gave him a talking to"
* actor's line: words making up the dialogue of a play; "the actor forgot his speech"
* language: the mental faculty or power of vocal communication;"language sets homo sapiens apart from all other animals"

I believe by your definitions they are more then communication, it is definately speech and possibly an actual form of language.

Can I just ask, wtf has animals having or not having a language or the ability to speak got to do with evolution?

Tail bone, opposable thumbs, fossil evidence, mutations, adaption to environments etc... prove evolution.

dude, when archeologists (i have NO CLUE if i spelled that right, i stink at spelling) found the tooth of a PIG they came up with what a human looked like (one that they thought was the "missing link") and they were utterly humiliated when they figured out that their whole "missing link" was just a pig. A PIG!!

There is a certain amount of scientific evidence to support the theory of evolution,there is NO scientific evidence whatsoever to support creationism NONE !